I think they should note that the iPhone 8 snd 8+ are both really similar to iPhone X in price to benefit ratio, so yes the iPhone X will certainly be a high seller, but like the regular outsells the + models, I imagine the 8 will outsell the X, but the X might outsell the 8+. Not knowing the exact statistics(and very well could be wrong), but I think total 2017 model iPhone sells won't meet 40 million X sells before 2017 is over, certainly it will be reached at some point in 2018 though.
Makes me think that may be why they skipped the 128gig version. If plus buyers want more than 64gig, they have to get the 256gig version and from there not a big leap to an X at just $50 more for the 64gig version. I still went with the 256gig 8+ which is a huge upgrade from my 5s...
Huge - but not super-Huge - For $50 more - it would give you so much more tech in smaller form-factor
Honestly this list should be pinned in these forums every time AI prints a story using a Kuo reference.
Criticizing Kuo is still a bannable offense, but Sog is The Unbannable.
truth is I'm not even criticizing Kuo.
I'm just documenting what he got wrong, so people can make up their own mind on how reliable he is.
Then surely you read thru your links to determine what he claimed as fact and what turned out not to be so. Pedrhaps you assumed no one would look at them?
Link 1: He actually said that Blush Gold is being problematic and may not be announced alongside the black and silver. Give that one a bit before declaring him wrong. Link 2: Seems pretty accurate. What did he miss? Link 3: Yup, a miss. Link 4: Some hits and some misses in that one Link 5: In general pretty accurate, especially considering that other well-connected Apple bloggers mention Apple was at one point trying to include under-screen TouchID alongside FaceID, lending credence to his expectations. Link 6: Another miss Link 7: We'll call that on a miss too but considering that was well back in 2015... Link 8: Another miss. The 7 was definitely thicker rather than thinner, somewhat out of character for Apple. But again, you had to go back two years to find enough misses to make some semblance of an argument? Link 9: Really? Needing to go back even further, now three years to 2014, in order to find "misses"? Link 10: Same as the above.
Honestly this list should be pinned in these forums every time AI prints a story using a Kuo reference.
Criticizing Kuo is still a bannable offense, but Sog is The Unbannable.
truth is I'm not even criticizing Kuo.
I'm just documenting what he got wrong, so people can make up their own mind on how reliable he is.
Then surely you read thru your links to determine what he claimed as fact and what turned out not to be so. Pedrhaps you assumed no one would look at them?
Link 1: He actually said that Blush Gold is being problematic and may not be announced alongside the black and silver. Give that one a bit before declaring him wrong. Link 2: Seems pretty accurate. What did he miss? Link 3: Yup, a miss. Link 4: Some hits and some misses in that one Link 5: In general pretty accurate, especially considering that other well-connected Apple bloggers mention Apple was at one point trying to include under-screen TouchID alongside FaceID, lending credence to his expectations. Link 6: Another miss Link 7: We'll call that on a miss too but considering that was well back in 2015... Link 8: Another miss. The 7 was definitely thicker rather than thinner, somewhat out of character for Apple. But again, you had to go back two years to find enough misses to make some semblance of an argument? Link 9: Really? Needing to go back even further, now three years to 2014, in order to find "misses"? Link 10: Same as the above.
Link 1: definite miss. He said Blush Gold was coming. he was wrong. PERIOD.
Link 2: WRONG. He said the Watch would not be able to make LTE phone calls.
Link 4: Wrong again about gold iPhone X
Link 5: he was DEAD WRONG about TouchID behind the screen. Does not matter if other 'sources' said the same thing. This about how many times Kuo was wrong, not how many times others were.
Link 7: was from Nov 2016 not 2015. And WRONG is WRONG. Stop making excuses for Kuo. No one told Kuo to make a prediction of a phone 10 months away from release.
Link 8-10 : There is NOTHING wrong with going back 2 or 3 years. The larger the sample size the better. This is all about TRACK RECORD.
So did you find he was right more often than wrong, and by how much either way? Unless of course it was never about track record but how many misses you could find ignoring the hits.
Link 2 does not say what you think it does. Oh and sorry about link 7, it was actually Link 8 I meant, and 9, 10, and 11 fall in the same category of "old", having to reach back quite a few years attempting to make some point. If you're going to make the effort, and I can see you might have spent at least some time on it, don't be half-hearted about it.
Kuo is unfalsifiable. Since Apple does not publish quantity sold per model, Kuo is free to claim whatever quantity he likes, and still he won't be wrong.
I wonder what will be launching in September 2018... surely not an 8s with what will be by then 4 years of the same design... ? Maybe an Xs?
My guess:
iPhone X1 iPhone X1 Plus
iPhone 8s - $599 iPhone 8s Plus - $699
Interesting take... so if the next X were to debut in September 2018 and not, say, early 2019, getting the 8 now would make sense if trying to maintain a 12 month cycle... hmmm...
I wonder what will be launching in September 2018... surely not an 8s with what will be by then 4 years of the same design... ? Maybe an Xs?
My guess:
iPhone X1 iPhone X1 Plus
iPhone 8s - $599 iPhone 8s Plus - $699
Interesting take... so if the next X were to debut in September 2018 and not, say, early 2019, getting the 8 now would make sense if trying to maintain a 12 month cycle... hmmm...
Exactly. The 8 is as powerful as the X in common tasks with A11, optical image stabilization, wireless charging, a beautiful glass enclosure. Add to these the 16:9 aspect ratio of 8 Plus.
I wonder what will be launching in September 2018... surely not an 8s with what will be by then 4 years of the same design... ? Maybe an Xs?
My guess:
iPhone X1 iPhone X1 Plus
iPhone 8s - $599 iPhone 8s Plus - $699
Interesting take... so if the next X were to debut in September 2018 and not, say, early 2019, getting the 8 now would make sense if trying to maintain a 12 month cycle... hmmm...
Exactly. The 8 is as powerful as the X in common tasks with A11, optical image stabilization, wireless charging, a beautiful glass enclosure. Add to these the 16:9 aspect ratio of 8 Plus.
Is a TrueTone display also new this year? Then you have USB 3.0 data and charging speeds increase and BT 5.0, right?
I wonder what will be launching in September 2018... surely not an 8s with what will be by then 4 years of the same design... ? Maybe an Xs?
My guess:
iPhone X1 iPhone X1 Plus
iPhone 8s - $599 iPhone 8s Plus - $699
Interesting take... so if the next X were to debut in September 2018 and not, say, early 2019, getting the 8 now would make sense if trying to maintain a 12 month cycle... hmmm...
Exactly. The 8 is as powerful as the X in common tasks with A11, optical image stabilization, wireless charging, a beautiful glass enclosure. Add to these the 16:9 aspect ratio of 8 Plus.
Is a TrueTone display also new this year? Then you have USB 3.0 data and charging speeds increase and BT 5.0, right?
I wonder what will be launching in September 2018... surely not an 8s with what will be by then 4 years of the same design... ? Maybe an Xs?
My guess:
iPhone X1 iPhone X1 Plus
iPhone 8s - $599 iPhone 8s Plus - $699
Interesting take... so if the next X were to debut in September 2018 and not, say, early 2019, getting the 8 now would make sense if trying to maintain a 12 month cycle... hmmm...
Exactly. The 8 is as powerful as the X in common tasks with A11, optical image stabilization, wireless charging, a beautiful glass enclosure. Add to these the 16:9 aspect ratio of 8 Plus.
Is a TrueTone display also new this year? Then you have USB 3.0 data and charging speeds increase and BT 5.0, right?
Yup, True Tone is new this year as is BT 5.0
This sounds like a great update, which seems to go against this notion that Apple wants to push everyone on the iPhone X.
I wonder what will be launching in September 2018... surely not an 8s with what will be by then 4 years of the same design... ? Maybe an Xs?
My guess:
iPhone X1 iPhone X1 Plus
iPhone 8s - $599 iPhone 8s Plus - $699
Interesting take... so if the next X were to debut in September 2018 and not, say, early 2019, getting the 8 now would make sense if trying to maintain a 12 month cycle... hmmm...
Exactly. The 8 is as powerful as the X in common tasks with A11, optical image stabilization, wireless charging, a beautiful glass enclosure. Add to these the 16:9 aspect ratio of 8 Plus.
Is a TrueTone display also new this year? Then you have USB 3.0 data and charging speeds increase and BT 5.0, right?
Yup, True Tone is new this year as is BT 5.0
This sounds like a great update, which seems to go against this notion that Apple wants to push everyone on the iPhone X.
It is a great update. As Rogifan mentioned in a previous post, I think Apple came with out with the iPhone 8 / Plus as they did because they're not able to manufacture enough iPhone X's this first go around. So iPhone users have a choice of a really great iPhone 8 update and a hot new looking iPhone X.
I wonder what will be launching in September 2018... surely not an 8s with what will be by then 4 years of the same design... ? Maybe an Xs?
My guess:
iPhone X1 iPhone X1 Plus
iPhone 8s - $599 iPhone 8s Plus - $699
Interesting take... so if the next X were to debut in September 2018 and not, say, early 2019, getting the 8 now would make sense if trying to maintain a 12 month cycle... hmmm...
Exactly. The 8 is as powerful as the X in common tasks with A11, optical image stabilization, wireless charging, a beautiful glass enclosure. Add to these the 16:9 aspect ratio of 8 Plus.
Is a TrueTone display also new this year? Then you have USB 3.0 data and charging speeds increase and BT 5.0, right?
Yup, True Tone is new this year as is BT 5.0
This sounds like a great update, which seems to go against this notion that Apple wants to push everyone on the iPhone X.
It is a great update. As Rogifan mentioned in a previous post, I think Apple came with out with the iPhone 8 / Plus as they did because they're not able to manufacture enough iPhone X's this first go around. So iPhone users have a choice of a really great iPhone 8 update and a hot new looking iPhone X.
I think the 8’s main function is to prevent the stock price from falling; if the X was ready for September launch why would push a cheaper model, right?
I wonder what will be launching in September 2018... surely not an 8s with what will be by then 4 years of the same design... ? Maybe an Xs?
My guess:
iPhone X1 iPhone X1 Plus
iPhone 8s - $599 iPhone 8s Plus - $699
Interesting take... so if the next X were to debut in September 2018 and not, say, early 2019, getting the 8 now would make sense if trying to maintain a 12 month cycle... hmmm...
Exactly. The 8 is as powerful as the X in common tasks with A11, optical image stabilization, wireless charging, a beautiful glass enclosure. Add to these the 16:9 aspect ratio of 8 Plus.
Is a TrueTone display also new this year? Then you have USB 3.0 data and charging speeds increase and BT 5.0, right?
Yup, True Tone is new this year as is BT 5.0
This sounds like a great update, which seems to go against this notion that Apple wants to push everyone on the iPhone X.
It is a great update. As Rogifan mentioned in a previous post, I think Apple came with out with the iPhone 8 / Plus as they did because they're not able to manufacture enough iPhone X's this first go around. So iPhone users have a choice of a really great iPhone 8 update and a hot new looking iPhone X.
I think the 8’s main function is to prevent the stock price from falling; if the X was ready for September launch why would push a cheaper model, right?
What is the signal to noise ratio of that statement? The reason of all product launches is to prevent the stock price from falling, isn't it? So what?
I wonder what will be launching in September 2018... surely not an 8s with what will be by then 4 years of the same design... ? Maybe an Xs?
My guess:
iPhone X1 iPhone X1 Plus
iPhone 8s - $599 iPhone 8s Plus - $699
Interesting take... so if the next X were to debut in September 2018 and not, say, early 2019, getting the 8 now would make sense if trying to maintain a 12 month cycle... hmmm...
Exactly. The 8 is as powerful as the X in common tasks with A11, optical image stabilization, wireless charging, a beautiful glass enclosure. Add to these the 16:9 aspect ratio of 8 Plus.
Is a TrueTone display also new this year? Then you have USB 3.0 data and charging speeds increase and BT 5.0, right?
Yup, True Tone is new this year as is BT 5.0
This sounds like a great update, which seems to go against this notion that Apple wants to push everyone on the iPhone X.
It is a great update. As Rogifan mentioned in a previous post, I think Apple came with out with the iPhone 8 / Plus as they did because they're not able to manufacture enough iPhone X's this first go around. So iPhone users have a choice of a really great iPhone 8 update and a hot new looking iPhone X.
I think the 8’s main function is to prevent the stock price from falling; if the X was ready for September launch why would push a cheaper model, right?
What is the signal to noise ratio of that statement? The reason of all product launches is to prevent the stock price from falling, isn't it? So what?
Well the obvious question about the 8 that people are asking is why does it even exist? And why not call it a 7s?Because it will cannibalise the sales of the X (their price difference is not as high as expected, especially on contract). The 8 would not make sense commercially if the X were launching on the same day and with the same availability. It’s not judgement though, just an observation.
I wonder what will be launching in September 2018... surely not an 8s with what will be by then 4 years of the same design... ? Maybe an Xs?
My guess:
iPhone X1 iPhone X1 Plus
iPhone 8s - $599 iPhone 8s Plus - $699
Interesting take... so if the next X were to debut in September 2018 and not, say, early 2019, getting the 8 now would make sense if trying to maintain a 12 month cycle... hmmm...
Exactly. The 8 is as powerful as the X in common tasks with A11, optical image stabilization, wireless charging, a beautiful glass enclosure. Add to these the 16:9 aspect ratio of 8 Plus.
Is a TrueTone display also new this year? Then you have USB 3.0 data and charging speeds increase and BT 5.0, right?
Yup, True Tone is new this year as is BT 5.0
This sounds like a great update, which seems to go against this notion that Apple wants to push everyone on the iPhone X.
It is a great update. As Rogifan mentioned in a previous post, I think Apple came with out with the iPhone 8 / Plus as they did because they're not able to manufacture enough iPhone X's this first go around. So iPhone users have a choice of a really great iPhone 8 update and a hot new looking iPhone X.
I think the 8’s main function is to prevent the stock price from falling; if the X was ready for September launch why would push a cheaper model, right?
What is the signal to noise ratio of that statement? The reason of all product launches is to prevent the stock price from falling, isn't it? So what?
Well the obvious question about the 8 that people are asking is why does it even exist? And why not call it a 7s?Because it will cannibalise the sales of the X (their price difference is not as high as expected, especially on contract). The 8 would not make sense commercially if the X were launching on the same day and with the same availability. It’s not judgement though, just an observation.
"The 8 would not make sense commercially if the X were launching on the same day and with the same availability"
It's possible & would surmise that if that were true, the iPhone X wouldn't have a starting price of $999. It would be lower.
I wonder what will be launching in September 2018... surely not an 8s with what will be by then 4 years of the same design... ? Maybe an Xs?
My guess:
iPhone X1 iPhone X1 Plus
iPhone 8s - $599 iPhone 8s Plus - $699
Interesting take... so if the next X were to debut in September 2018 and not, say, early 2019, getting the 8 now would make sense if trying to maintain a 12 month cycle... hmmm...
Exactly. The 8 is as powerful as the X in common tasks with A11, optical image stabilization, wireless charging, a beautiful glass enclosure. Add to these the 16:9 aspect ratio of 8 Plus.
Is a TrueTone display also new this year? Then you have USB 3.0 data and charging speeds increase and BT 5.0, right?
Yup, True Tone is new this year as is BT 5.0
This sounds like a great update, which seems to go against this notion that Apple wants to push everyone on the iPhone X.
It is a great update. As Rogifan mentioned in a previous post, I think Apple came with out with the iPhone 8 / Plus as they did because they're not able to manufacture enough iPhone X's this first go around. So iPhone users have a choice of a really great iPhone 8 update and a hot new looking iPhone X.
I think the 8’s main function is to prevent the stock price from falling; if the X was ready for September launch why would push a cheaper model, right?
What is the signal to noise ratio of that statement? The reason of all product launches is to prevent the stock price from falling, isn't it? So what?
Well the obvious question about the 8 that people are asking is why does it even exist? And why not call it a 7s?Because it will cannibalise the sales of the X (their price difference is not as high as expected, especially on contract). The 8 would not make sense commercially if the X were launching on the same day and with the same availability. It’s not judgement though, just an observation.
Why wouldn't it exist? It is a form factor sold in hundreds of millions. It is the most successful authentication system in history. How do you expect that Apple kills such a flagship series for a unproven product it can't even produce in required scale and time? Why SE exists since there is the iPhone 7? Yet the SE is the most selling model in the U.K.
I thought the X was too expensive to buy? Which is it, analysts? Too expensive or too much demand?
It's too expensive and there's too much demand. The perfect combination for Apple.
It's $1400 out the door with Apple care + case + tax for the 256GB version.
That's about $1250 more than I paid for my iPhone 7 last yr with an iPhone 6 trade in.
You traded a phone in, why compare the price when you received hundreds of dollars on a trade in deal?
I wonder what will be launching in September 2018... surely not an 8s with what will be by then 4 years of the same design... ? Maybe an Xs?
My guess:
iPhone X1 iPhone X1 Plus
iPhone 8s - $599 iPhone 8s Plus - $699
Interesting take... so if the next X were to debut in September 2018 and not, say, early 2019, getting the 8 now would make sense if trying to maintain a 12 month cycle... hmmm...
Exactly. The 8 is as powerful as the X in common tasks with A11, optical image stabilization, wireless charging, a beautiful glass enclosure. Add to these the 16:9 aspect ratio of 8 Plus.
Is a TrueTone display also new this year? Then you have USB 3.0 data and charging speeds increase and BT 5.0, right?
Yup, True Tone is new this year as is BT 5.0
This sounds like a great update, which seems to go against this notion that Apple wants to push everyone on the iPhone X.
It is a great update. As Rogifan mentioned in a previous post, I think Apple came with out with the iPhone 8 / Plus as they did because they're not able to manufacture enough iPhone X's this first go around. So iPhone users have a choice of a really great iPhone 8 update and a hot new looking iPhone X.
I think the 8’s main function is to prevent the stock price from falling; if the X was ready for September launch why would push a cheaper model, right?
What is the signal to noise ratio of that statement? The reason of all product launches is to prevent the stock price from falling, isn't it? So what?
Well the obvious question about the 8 that people are asking is why does it even exist? And why not call it a 7s?Because it will cannibalise the sales of the X (their price difference is not as high as expected, especially on contract). The 8 would not make sense commercially if the X were launching on the same day and with the same availability. It’s not judgement though, just an observation.
Because it's a different form factor from the 7 and new form factors get a new model number. People who want the X will buy it regardless of if the 8 was the "7S". A 7S would not cannibalize the X.
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Link 1: He actually said that Blush Gold is being problematic and may not be announced alongside the black and silver. Give that one a bit before declaring him wrong.
Link 2: Seems pretty accurate. What did he miss?
Link 3: Yup, a miss.
Link 4: Some hits and some misses in that one
Link 5: In general pretty accurate, especially considering that other well-connected Apple bloggers mention Apple was at one point trying to include under-screen TouchID alongside FaceID, lending credence to his expectations.
Link 6: Another miss
Link 7: We'll call that on a miss too but considering that was well back in 2015...
Link 8: Another miss. The 7 was definitely thicker rather than thinner, somewhat out of character for Apple. But again, you had to go back two years to find enough misses to make some semblance of an argument?
Link 9: Really? Needing to go back even further, now three years to 2014, in order to find "misses"?
Link 10: Same as the above.
So you found only two definitive misses since 2016? Neil here at AI mentioned more than those a couple days back.
https://forums.appleinsider.com/discussion/201785/rumor-recap-who-was-right-and-wrong-about-the-iphone-x-and-iphone-8/p1
Link 2 does not say what you think it does. Oh and sorry about link 7, it was actually Link 8 I meant, and 9, 10, and 11 fall in the same category of "old", having to reach back quite a few years attempting to make some point. If you're going to make the effort, and I can see you might have spent at least some time on it, don't be half-hearted about it.
iPhone X1 ($899)
iPhone X1 Plus ($999)
iPhone 8s - $599
iPhone 8s Plus - $699
iPhone 7 ($449)
iPhone 7S ($549)
iPhone SE (A10 SoC, 2nd generation TouchID) ($349)
From then on iPhone monickers will adjust according to FY sold i.e.., iPhone (2019), iPhone (2020), etc.
It's possible & would surmise that if that were true, the iPhone X wouldn't have a starting price of $999. It would be lower.