As you might have guessed, if you search for "Apple greenpeace" this story has the top results - lots of 'em. Usually with headlines that emphasize the "B-" rating. For Google and Amazon, and most of rest, there are no results that talk about their horrible ratings (such as it actually matters). Searching Samsung does bring up a couple of hits, but unsurprisingly, one headline is "Apple and Samsung headed in wrong direction for sustainable product design". Yep, just to make it fun, they put what is effectively Apple being #1 (a company Fairphone that makes almost nothing doesn't count) against Samsung and their D- rating.
I want to see Greenpeace issue a report on politicians and celebrities who take private jets while promoting the need to combat global warning...
Greenpeace is spot on. Electronics should be easier to repair or recycle
And there SHOULD be world peace. How can you make them easier to repair, while simultaneously increasing their complexity every year? These goals sit on the opposite sides of the "complexity" grade.
Greenpeace are not idiots. They may be radical environmentalists but they are certainly not idiots. Greenpeace has had an impact on environmental issues and that shows they know what they are doing in getting their points across.
They can simultaneously be both.
It's certainly possible the best way to make a product line more reliable and environmentally friendly requires reducing the ability to repair an individual unit. It's is idiotic for the organization that's sole purpose is the environment to push reparability of a single unit when that has a negative net environmental impact of the product line as a whole. They are looking at a tree and missing the forrest.
The right to repair thing is kind of silly since only the foolish or the highly skilled nerd would attempt or be able to pull of most repairs. I suspect Apple doesn't want to deal with all of the home repaired devices showing up at an Apple store claiming it was Apple's fault.
I do believe Apple is committed to improving it's efforts to making green devices. Does anyone know if Apple will accept old devices for recycling at their stores?
Greenpeace are not idiots. They may be radical environmentalists but they are certainly not idiots. Greenpeace has had an impact on environmental issues and that shows they know what they are doing in getting their points across.
No, I'm sorry, they kinda are. They are indeed master media manipulators, but they often let emotion get way ahead of facts. Witness their GMO stances--utterly baseless, yet repeatedly promoted.
As technology advances devices will only get more difficult (or impossible) to repair.
Attempted repairs can also have serious safety risks.
Apple are committed to a ‘cradle to grave’ approach that includes recycling every part of a device that has reached end of life.
Apple devices are very well made and receive on-going software upgrades for years. So the life of Apple products is surely much higher than the industry average.
As for ‘right to repair’ - it’s your device you can do what you want with it. But you don’t have the right to put other people’s lives at risk by messing with your battery and climbing on an airplane!
Greenpeace is spot on. Electronics should be easier to repair or recycle, and consumers should be able to choose who repairs their devices. Apple wants to double dip, profiting from the original sale and from the repairs. Granting them exclusive rights to repairs would give them little incentive to improve product quality.
I somewhat disagree. For a phone to be "easy" to work on, it makes specific design choices I personally don't like. The Fairphone 2 (an amazing effort BTW) is the example of the most repairable phone out there. It is .... well .... unassuming. That repairability comes at a cost of 30% in volume (roughly) when compared to other offerings. So it is a trade off. Making these things smaller, lighter, more technology dance also means making them substantially harder to repair. I don't expect to repair an Intel processor, for example.
So now you have massive skill sets needed to do the repair well. So while I applaud the idea of making things supper easy to repair I also recognize it is not always achievable.
As you might have guessed, if you search for "Apple greenpeace" this story has the top results - lots of 'em. Usually with headlines that emphasize the "B-" rating. For Google and Amazon, and most of rest, there are no results that talk about their horrible ratings (such as it actually matters). Searching Samsung does bring up a couple of hits, but unsurprisingly, one headline is "Apple and Samsung headed in wrong direction for sustainable product design". Yep, just to make it fun, they put what is effectively Apple being #1 (a company Fairphone that makes almost nothing doesn't count) against Samsung and their D- rating.
I want to see Greenpeace issue a report on politicians and celebrities who take private jets while promoting the need to combat global warning...
Wow. Stunning. I repeated this and you are right. I would expect, given Google's incessant bragging on "being green", this would be big news for the media.
Greenpeace is spot on. Electronics should be easier to repair or recycle, and consumers should be able to choose who repairs their devices. Apple wants to double dip, profiting from the original sale and from the repairs. Granting them exclusive rights to repairs would give them little incentive to improve product quality.
I'd rather trust the company that makes my device, to repair my device. I use to work at CompUSA (if you are to young to know, a computer store across America with in house repair techs.) I know what third party techs do. While on the face, most of them are honest, you never know what shady things they could do. I witnessed some lurking on customers hard drives for porn, while others would install a virus to force the customer to pay even further to have it removed. Could Apple pull things like this? Sure but not likely as they would be made accountable and would face public humiliation/lawsuits so it's not likely they ever would. Apple documents every repair they do internally so you better believe they are learning from them to improve product quality, to think Apple would be doing otherwise is delusional.
Greenpeace is spot on. Electronics should be easier to repair or recycle, and consumers should be able to choose who repairs their devices. Apple wants to double dip, profiting from the original sale and from the repairs. Granting them exclusive rights to repairs would give them little incentive to improve product quality.
Both you and Greenpeace have no idea what they are talking about. Allowing do it yourself repairs would open up a whole new can of worms for customers. The risk of ruining a device due to ESD or other user error would lead to more iPhones getting ruined by people who already are more dumb than they realize. Those kiosks like iFixit ruin people’s Apple devices by not taking precautions to ground themselves during a repair via ESD, on top of already ruining Apple devices with crappy 3rd party parts as it is. Green peace really has no idea how utterly stupid that would be.
If Apple wants to be really green and ecological...
Let´s start: stop making all-in-one computers. Instead, make headless computers allowing to use the standalone display for decades!
Let´s continue: stop making wireless things as much as possible. Instead, make wired things, and save battery and energy: keyboards, wireless charging, etc.
Are you a real person? Every post is the same dead horse. Apple does make headless computers. And all-in-ones. The iMac is highly recyclable and lasts for a decade, which is better than the crappy PCs which end in landfills.
And use a twenty year old monitor? Give me a fucking break.
Greenpeace is spot on. Electronics should be easier to repair or recycle, and consumers should be able to choose who repairs their devices. Apple wants to double dip, profiting from the original sale and from the repairs. Granting them exclusive rights to repairs would give them little incentive to improve product quality.
The product quality is already extremely high. These are small, portable computers with tiny components, not big beige boxes from the 80’s and 90’s. Naturally the difficulty of repairs go up. Which is why I would rather have Apple do the repair, be use if the guy at the mall kiosk breaks something else on my phone, then what?
I'd venture to guess that Greenpeace isn't looking at the full scope (cradle to grave) of the waste streams that are associated with all parts that go into the production, maintenance, repair, and disposal of the types of products that Apple sells. When Apple controls everything on the bill of material that goes into producing, maintaining, repairing, and disposing of its devices it is effectively held to a much higher standard for controlling all of the waste streams that it's directly and indirectly responsible for managing. If one of Apple's suppliers or manufacturing partners screws up environmentally, socially, ethically, etc., where does the blame get levied? Directly on Apple of course. I'd be willing to bet that most third party makers of spares and replacement parts who operate outside of Apple's control are not going to conform to the same set of environmental, social, ethical, and sustainability standards that Apple must meet. Heck, Apple will get blamed anyway if an unsanctioned parts supplier produces a part that destroys the Apple device, pollutes an essential resource, or worse still, injures or kills an end user. Eventually the truth comes out and Apple is exonerated, but deep on page 16 of a single paragraph retraction after being scorched on the headlines for days, months, or like we've seen with FoxxCon and its anti-jumper safety nets, years. Apple can only control what it owns, so if you want Apple to own responsibility for managing its waste streams don't take away their ability to control the parts that go into their products and how these parts are managed throughout their lifecycle.
I really like Amazon so I'm dismayed at their failing grade. I thought they'd stopped using stuffed baby seals for packing material. Back to the styrofoam again. /s
The right to repair thing is kind of silly since only the foolish or the highly skilled nerd would attempt or be able to pull of most repairs. I suspect Apple doesn't want to deal with all of the home repaired devices showing up at an Apple store claiming it was Apple's fault.
I do believe Apple is committed to improving it's efforts to making green devices. Does anyone know if Apple will accept old devices for recycling at their stores?
They most definitely will accept and recycle any old phone. Not just iPhones
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As you might have guessed, if you search for "Apple greenpeace" this story has the top results - lots of 'em. Usually with headlines that emphasize the "B-" rating. For Google and Amazon, and most of rest, there are no results that talk about their horrible ratings (such as it actually matters). Searching Samsung does bring up a couple of hits, but unsurprisingly, one headline is "Apple and Samsung headed in wrong direction for sustainable product design". Yep, just to make it fun, they put what is effectively Apple being #1 (a company Fairphone that makes almost nothing doesn't count) against Samsung and their D- rating.
I want to see Greenpeace issue a report on politicians and celebrities who take private jets while promoting the need to combat global warning...
How can you make them easier to repair, while simultaneously increasing their complexity every year? These goals sit on the opposite sides of the "complexity" grade.
They can simultaneously be both.
It's certainly possible the best way to make a product line more reliable and environmentally friendly requires reducing the ability to repair an individual unit. It's is idiotic for the organization that's sole purpose is the environment to push reparability of a single unit when that has a negative net environmental impact of the product line as a whole. They are looking at a tree and missing the forrest.
I do believe Apple is committed to improving it's efforts to making green devices. Does anyone know if Apple will accept old devices for recycling at their stores?
Attempted repairs can also have serious safety risks.
Apple are committed to a ‘cradle to grave’ approach that includes recycling every part of a device that has reached end of life.
Apple devices are very well made and receive on-going software upgrades for years. So the life of Apple products is surely much higher than the industry average.
As for ‘right to repair’ - it’s your device you can do what you want with it. But you don’t have the right to put other people’s lives at risk by messing with your battery and climbing on an airplane!
So now you have massive skill sets needed to do the repair well. So while I applaud the idea of making things supper easy to repair I also recognize it is not always achievable.
Guess media companies know who pays their bills.
And use a twenty year old monitor? Give me a fucking break.
I really like Amazon so I'm dismayed at their failing grade. I thought they'd stopped using stuffed baby seals for packing material. Back to the styrofoam again. /s