Apple's Angela Ahrendts calls rumors of being Cook's successor 'fake news'

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  • Reply 21 of 52
    wozwozwozwoz Posts: 263member
    lol - what a pathetic attempt to grab attention for oneself. Why not also deny that you are running to replace Kim Jong-un as Supreme Leader?
    #sellhandbags
  • Reply 22 of 52
    ksecksec Posts: 1,569member
    arie said:
    My choice : bring Scott Forstall back. He grew up in the apple tradition with Steve.  Or someone who has similar background. 
    That is if Johnny is OK with that..... and that is going to be hard.

    And one thing, Tim Cook is on the board, so it is not really the board's pick. And that kinda worries me because Tim hasn't been the best at picking people, although i see him better at doing this.

    I am not at tall worries who is the next CEO, i think anyone would do fine with the SVP level. I am EXTREMELY worries who is going to replace Johny. Because Steve made it Johnny has the ultimate power, i.e A product person, over sales, operation, or any other part.

    And i dont see anyone quite fitting that role. And it would be nice if Johny pick someone from Britain, the design part of Apple needs to continue the tradition of speaking "Aluminum". 


  • Reply 23 of 52
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,526member
    78Bandit said:
    flaneur said:
    78Bandit said:
    Wow, kiss Apple good-bye if it does turn out to be true.  Apple has already lost a lot of its innovative spirit with the death of Steve Jobs.  Tim Cook is a great supply chain guy but is having difficulty doing much more than polishing the iPhone line as much as possible.  To even suggest that a marketing executive whose experience is primarily in fashion goods would be an appropriate leader for one of the greatest technological companies in the world is ludicrous.

    Apple would do well to take a note from Microsoft.  Steve Balmer did his best to ruin it because he simply didn't have the technical ability to see where the company needed to be in five-to-ten years.  Now they've finally got someone back in the big chair who has degrees in electrical engineering and computer science as well as an MBA.  You need to be a high-level user of your company's products to be able to predict where the future lies.  Nadella is doing a lot to turn Microsoft around.

    Apple needs to be grooming a talented engineer with great design skills to be the next CEO.
    Cook's various remarks on Augmented Reality alone refute your simplistic view. You are thinking like a typical left-brained Microsoftie.

    Jobs left behind a design and vision PROCESS, an entire system of innovation that's basically centered on Ive-and-company's labs. (Even Ive's innovation and design strategies are distributed across the process/system.)

    You can't see this working for another reason besides your hemispheric blindness to the big picture — the coming AR revolution depends on wearable screen technologies that aren't up to Apple's standards yet. Pay attention to micro LED development, along with the usual chip miniaturization from Apple. Cook knows exactly he's doing, and he has many visionary hardware people in his retinue.
    Personal attacks aside, I stick by my belief that a company like Apple needs a visionary at the top, not a manager of processes implemented by a person who has been dead for years, and certainly not a fashion marketing expert.  Apple needs a leader who is passionate about technology advancements and has a strong desire to make great, innovative products for as many people as possible.  If Tim Cook is that person he hides it well.  His focus seems to be on revenue growth, manufacturing efficiency, and social issues while he lets others in the company focus on product development.  There certainly are "many visionary hardware people in his retinue" and it is one of them that needs to be groomed to be the next CEO.
    Apologies for returning your personal attack against Cook — he's just a "supply chain guy," great or not. Have you not seen or read him saying he's so excited about AR that he could scream? (I'm not going to look that up for you.) Have you not seen Apple buying up machine vision and AI companies left and right?

    There's a revolution coming — the next iPhone-like product or products — that you're oblivious to. Oh, and the idea of Ahrents as CEO is, like she says and you say, ludicrous. Unless they add some mechanism for hardware innovation to cover for her, the point being that hardware innovation is already established under Cook and Ive.
    pscooter63
  • Reply 24 of 52
    wozwozwozwoz Posts: 263member
    lkrupp said:
    78Bandit said:

    Apple needs to be grooming a talented engineer with great design skills to be the next CEO.
    CEOs need to know how to run a business, not engineer and design. Jobs was a visionary, not a coder, not an engineer, and not a designer. He had Woz first and then Ive. Tim Cook is doing a great job. And by the way, try thinking for your self instead of parroting the troll army talking points about innovation, Cook being a supply chain guy, and Jobs being dead. Those memes have been making the rounds ever since Cook took over and they don’t hold water.

    "CEOs need to know how to run a business, not engineer and design"  ...

    It's that sort of rubbish that saw Apple replace Steve Jobs with the likes of Sculley - which almost resulted in bankruptcy. To run a company like Apple, you need to understand technology - not handbags or accountancy. I don't think Tim Cook has any vision - I think the Mac is lost on him - he's a number cruncher, a bean counter living off Steve's legacy of 
    creativity. The Mac is stagnating under Cook - and the only time he ever gets things going is when user forums / press complain about product stagnation at Apple:  other than that, all we see is new colours of iPhones and smiley poos. That's not tech - it is crass commercialism gone wrong. Cook has destroyed the very concept that Jobs created of the Apple product 'eco-centre' providing integrated hardware and software. You can't even buy an Apple monitor anymore - which frankly illustrates that he has no clue.
    78Bandit
  • Reply 25 of 52
    flaneurflaneur Posts: 4,526member
    wozwoz said:
    lkrupp said:
    78Bandit said:

    Apple needs to be grooming a talented engineer with great design skills to be the next CEO.
    CEOs need to know how to run a business, not engineer and design. Jobs was a visionary, not a coder, not an engineer, and not a designer. He had Woz first and then Ive. Tim Cook is doing a great job. And by the way, try thinking for your self instead of parroting the troll army talking points about innovation, Cook being a supply chain guy, and Jobs being dead. Those memes have been making the rounds ever since Cook took over and they don’t hold water.

    "CEOs need to know how to run a business, not engineer and design"  ...

    It's that sort of rubbish that saw Apple replace Steve Jobs with the likes of Sculley - which almost resulted in bankruptcy. To run a company like Apple, you need to understand technology - not handbags or accountancy. I don't think Tim Cook has any vision - I think the Mac is lost on him - he's a number cruncher, a bean counter living off Steve's legacy of creativity. The Mac is stagnating under Cook - and the only time he ever gets things going is when user forums / press complain about product stagnation at Apple:  other than that, all we see is new colours of iPhones and smiley poos. That's not tech - it is crass commercialism gone wrong. Cook has destroyed the very concept that Jobs created of the Apple product 'eco-centre' providing integrated hardware and software. You can't even buy an Apple monitor anymore - which frankly illustrates that he has no clue.
    Intel is stagnating Macs and IGZO development is stagnating monitors. The monitor situation won't improve until Foxconn/Sharp come online, or LG has enough oxide-backed LCD capacity to work with Apple on monitors to their standards.

    Cook's vision is still locked up in R&D like micro LED that you can't (or won't) see.
    StrangeDaysmacplusplus
  • Reply 26 of 52
    Buzzfeed pushes the feminist SJW agenda in all of there “journalistic endeavors”. 

    which was why the interviewer (a marginalized minority herself) asked the question about AA being the next CEO. 

    i agree with all who say it’s Jeff Williams.  My only issue is - he is only a year younger than Tim Cook. (AA is a year older). So I would think age is also a factor? In 5 years they will all b in there 60’s.

    (Balmer was a complete joke as a CEO.)
    I agree Jeff Williams might be the best replacement for Cook, at least on paper. But the Apple board is driven by progressive + identity politics as much as it is driven by logic... so who is the most LIKELY successor to Cook?
    Urber is a good example.  Huffington is a board member - I thought - for sure - 100% the next Uber CEO would b a woman. Didn’t happen. anyway - if AA is the next CEO - I will sell all my Apple stock,
  • Reply 27 of 52
    Buzzfeed pushes the feminist SJW agenda in all of there “journalistic endeavors”. 

    which was why the interviewer (a marginalized minority herself) asked the question about AA being the next CEO. 

    i agree with all who say it’s Jeff Williams.  My only issue is - he is only a year younger than Tim Cook. (AA is a year older). So I would think age is also a factor? In 5 years they will all b in there 60’s.

    (Balmer was a complete joke as a CEO.)
    I agree Jeff Williams might be the best replacement for Cook, at least on paper. But the Apple board is driven by progressive + identity politics as much as it is driven by logic... so who is the most LIKELY successor to Cook?
    Urber is a good example.  Huffington is a board member - I thought - for sure - 100% the next Uber CEO would b a woman. Didn’t happen. anyway - if AA is the next CEO - I will sell all my Apple stock,
    I presume there would be a temporary stock bump, just as there was for Yahoo when Marissa Mayer came onboard, but she’d be a disaster for Apple in the long run, simply because of her lack of a technical background. She performed well at Burberry, but she didn’t start that company or revolutionize retail sales or invent new processes competitors had to rush to copy in order to keep up.
    edited October 2017 78Bandittrashman69
  • Reply 28 of 52
    ariearie Posts: 27member
    ksec said:
    arie said:
    My choice : bring Scott Forstall back. He grew up in the apple tradition with Steve.  Or someone who has similar background. 
    That is if Johnny is OK with that..... and that is going to be hard.

    And one thing, Tim Cook is on the board, so it is not really the board's pick. And that kinda worries me because Tim hasn't been the best at picking people, although i see him better at doing this.

    I am not at tall worries who is the next CEO, i think anyone would do fine with the SVP level. I am EXTREMELY worries who is going to replace Johny. Because Steve made it Johnny has the ultimate power, i.e A product person, over sales, operation, or any other part.

    And i dont see anyone quite fitting that role. And it would be nice if Johny pick someone from Britain, the design part of Apple needs to continue the tradition of speaking "Aluminum". 


    The issue I see with Johnny is that it is the Steve/Johnny combination that seemed to be magical and produce earth shattering products. I am not sure that period can be reproduced in the same fashion. Actually I would be surprised if Johny stays with Apple for the next 5/10 years. He devoted a lot of his time on the new Apple campus because (in my view) he saw it as the ultimate gift to Steve. That’s why I was thinking about Forstall but you are right these two apparently didn’t go along (one explanation for this is that Steve was very close friend with both Johny and forstall and there may have been some jealousy between them). 
     
  • Reply 29 of 52
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,886member
    78Bandit said:
    Wow, kiss Apple good-bye if it does turn out to be true.  Apple has already lost a lot of its innovative spirit with the death of Steve Jobs.  Tim Cook is a great supply chain guy but is having difficulty doing much more than polishing the iPhone line as much as possible. 
    You do realize the CEO doesn’t develop new products, right? Sure Jobs did some product manager stuff but it’s atypical. There have been so many innovations under Cooks term it’s hard to keep track. rMBP, retina iMac, Apple Watch, AirPods, the X, iPad Pro, Pencil, etc etc....

    Your “Cook cant innovate!” narrative is a false one.
    pscooter63
  • Reply 30 of 52
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,886member

    I don't like Tim Cook because of his politics. I look forward to his successor.
    What a stupid way to run a company. Thank god the board doesn’t subscribe to your line of “reasoning”..
    edited October 2017
  • Reply 31 of 52
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,886member

    lkrupp said:

    maestro64 said:
    My only concern about who ever replaces Tim, the board should not pick someone to appease some social pressure or PC Police. They need to pick the right person not just any person. In the end it going to be had to find the right person. Steve picked Tim, but the board will pick the next person and too many on that board have social agendas they trying to drive forward and will use Apple success to drive those agendas.
    Guess what? In the dystopia we currently reside in attention to social pressures and PC are important things to be aware of for any CEO. In a dysfunctional society where “trigger alerts”, “safe spaces”, intolerance of ideas (on both sides), and win at any cost attitude, companies have no choice but the walk the tightrope where any misstep can cost $billions because of attacks from left or right ideologues. Remember what happened to Brendan Eich, the man who developed Firefox, was briefly CEO of Mozilla, and who was run out of town on a rail because he dared to think marriage was reserved for the union of a man and a woman. By the way, his new browser Brave is quite good but won’t get any press because of his personal thoughts.
    We don’t care why you hate gays, suggesting they don’t deserve equal civil rights is a problem when you represent the face of a company. Getting rid of that sort of person is the smart move. When you’re the public face of a company you can’t express your homophobic opinions the same way a guy in a trailer park can. Don’t like it? Don’t take the pay check. 
    edited October 2017 canukstorm
  • Reply 32 of 52
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,886member
    wozwoz said:
    lol - what a pathetic attempt to grab attention for oneself. Why not also deny that you are running to replace Kim Jong-un as Supreme Leader?
    #sellhandbags
    Stupid post, since she didn’t spread the rumor and was only responding to it. 

    #stophatingwomen
    Rayz2016
  • Reply 33 of 52
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,886member

    wozwoz said:
    lkrupp said:
    78Bandit said:

    Apple needs to be grooming a talented engineer with great design skills to be the next CEO.
    CEOs need to know how to run a business, not engineer and design. Jobs was a visionary, not a coder, not an engineer, and not a designer. He had Woz first and then Ive. Tim Cook is doing a great job. And by the way, try thinking for your self instead of parroting the troll army talking points about innovation, Cook being a supply chain guy, and Jobs being dead. Those memes have been making the rounds ever since Cook took over and they don’t hold water.

    "CEOs need to know how to run a business, not engineer and design"  ...

    It's that sort of rubbish that saw Apple replace Steve Jobs with the likes of Sculley - which almost resulted in bankruptcy. To run a company like Apple, you need to understand technology - not handbags or accountancy. I don't think Tim Cook has any vision - I think the Mac is lost on him - he's a number cruncher, a bean counter living off Steve's legacy of creativity. The Mac is stagnating under Cook - and the only time he ever gets things going is when user forums / press complain about product stagnation at Apple:  other than that, all we see is new colours of iPhones and smiley poos. That's not tech - it is crass commercialism gone wrong. Cook has destroyed the very concept that Jobs created of the Apple product 'eco-centre' providing integrated hardware and software. You can't even buy an Apple monitor anymore - which frankly illustrates that he has no clue.
    That’s a lot of nonsense. You have no connection to the executive leadership within Apple and thus are too ignorant of the facts to claim Cook doesn’t get tech, the mac, etc. The “bean counter” meme is just hot air. Macs have never been better, and there’s no way I’d trade any of my Cook era macs for Jobs era gear. Or any Apple gear. 

    Claiming Cook destroyed Apple products is one step from blatant trolling. Ignorant rubbish. 
    pscooter63cali
  • Reply 34 of 52
    canukstormcanukstorm Posts: 2,701member
    78Bandit said:
    Wow, kiss Apple good-bye if it does turn out to be true.  Apple has already lost a lot of its innovative spirit with the death of Steve Jobs.  Tim Cook is a great supply chain guy but is having difficulty doing much more than polishing the iPhone line as much as possible.  To even suggest that a marketing executive whose experience is primarily in fashion goods would be an appropriate leader for one of the greatest technological companies in the world is ludicrous.

    Apple would do well to take a note from Microsoft.  Steve Balmer did his best to ruin it because he simply didn't have the technical ability to see where the company needed to be in five-to-ten years.  Now they've finally got someone back in the big chair who has degrees in electrical engineering and computer science as well as an MBA.  You need to be a high-level user of your company's products to be able to predict where the future lies.  Nadella is doing a lot to turn Microsoft around.

    Apple needs to be grooming a talented engineer with great design skills to be the next CEO.
    "Apple needs to be grooming a talented engineer with great design skills to be the next CEO."

    That describes Scott Forstall.  He was in charge of UI during the early days of OSX.
  • Reply 35 of 52
    canukstormcanukstorm Posts: 2,701member
    78Bandit said:
    flaneur said:
    78Bandit said:
    Wow, kiss Apple good-bye if it does turn out to be true.  Apple has already lost a lot of its innovative spirit with the death of Steve Jobs.  Tim Cook is a great supply chain guy but is having difficulty doing much more than polishing the iPhone line as much as possible.  To even suggest that a marketing executive whose experience is primarily in fashion goods would be an appropriate leader for one of the greatest technological companies in the world is ludicrous.

    Apple would do well to take a note from Microsoft.  Steve Balmer did his best to ruin it because he simply didn't have the technical ability to see where the company needed to be in five-to-ten years.  Now they've finally got someone back in the big chair who has degrees in electrical engineering and computer science as well as an MBA.  You need to be a high-level user of your company's products to be able to predict where the future lies.  Nadella is doing a lot to turn Microsoft around.

    Apple needs to be grooming a talented engineer with great design skills to be the next CEO.
    Cook's various remarks on Augmented Reality alone refute your simplistic view. You are thinking like a typical left-brained Microsoftie.

    Jobs left behind a design and vision PROCESS, an entire system of innovation that's basically centered on Ive-and-company's labs. (Even Ive's innovation and design strategies are distributed across the process/system.)

    You can't see this working for another reason besides your hemispheric blindness to the big picture — the coming AR revolution depends on wearable screen technologies that aren't up to Apple's standards yet. Pay attention to micro LED development, along with the usual chip miniaturization from Apple. Cook knows exactly he's doing, and he has many visionary hardware people in his retinue.
    Personal attacks aside, I stick by my belief that a company like Apple needs a visionary at the top, not a manager of processes implemented by a person who has been dead for years, and certainly not a fashion marketing expert.  Apple needs a leader who is passionate about technology advancements and has a strong desire to make great, innovative products for as many people as possible.  If Tim Cook is that person he hides it well.  His focus seems to be on revenue growth, manufacturing efficiency, and social issues while he lets others in the company focus on product development.  There certainly are "many visionary hardware people in his retinue" and it is one of them that needs to be groomed to be the next CEO.
    Whatever happens, I see Cook moving further into politics and handing his post off to the next person... possibly in the next 4-5 years.
    Well, his current contract ends some time in 2021, so we'll see.
    trashman69
  • Reply 36 of 52
    canukstormcanukstorm Posts: 2,701member
    ksec said:
    arie said:
    My choice : bring Scott Forstall back. He grew up in the apple tradition with Steve.  Or someone who has similar background. 
    That is if Johnny is OK with that..... and that is going to be hard.

    And one thing, Tim Cook is on the board, so it is not really the board's pick. And that kinda worries me because Tim hasn't been the best at picking people, although i see him better at doing this.

    I am not at tall worries who is the next CEO, i think anyone would do fine with the SVP level. I am EXTREMELY worries who is going to replace Johny. Because Steve made it Johnny has the ultimate power, i.e A product person, over sales, operation, or any other part.

    And i dont see anyone quite fitting that role. And it would be nice if Johny pick someone from Britain, the design part of Apple needs to continue the tradition of speaking "Aluminum". 


    Realistically, I see Tim picking Jeff Williams as the next CEO.
    rogifan_new
  • Reply 37 of 52
    arie said:
    My choice : bring Scott Forstall back. He grew up in the apple tradition with Steve.  Or someone who has similar background. 
    What does Scott Forestall know about running an $800B company. Pretty much all of the current executive team “grew up in the Apple tradition with Steve”.
  • Reply 38 of 52
    canukstormcanukstorm Posts: 2,701member
    wozwoz said:
    lkrupp said:
    78Bandit said:

    Apple needs to be grooming a talented engineer with great design skills to be the next CEO.
    CEOs need to know how to run a business, not engineer and design. Jobs was a visionary, not a coder, not an engineer, and not a designer. He had Woz first and then Ive. Tim Cook is doing a great job. And by the way, try thinking for your self instead of parroting the troll army talking points about innovation, Cook being a supply chain guy, and Jobs being dead. Those memes have been making the rounds ever since Cook took over and they don’t hold water.

    "CEOs need to know how to run a business, not engineer and design"  ...

    It's that sort of rubbish that saw Apple replace Steve Jobs with the likes of Sculley - which almost resulted in bankruptcy. To run a company like Apple, you need to understand technology - not handbags or accountancy. I don't think Tim Cook has any vision - I think the Mac is lost on him - he's a number cruncher, a bean counter living off Steve's legacy of creativity. The Mac is stagnating under Cook - and the only time he ever gets things going is when user forums / press complain about product stagnation at Apple:  other than that, all we see is new colours of iPhones and smiley poos. That's not tech - it is crass commercialism gone wrong. Cook has destroyed the very concept that Jobs created of the Apple product 'eco-centre' providing integrated hardware and software. You can't even buy an Apple monitor anymore - which frankly illustrates that he has no clue.
    "To run a company like Apple, you need to understand technology "

    Actually, I would say to run a company like Apple you need to understand design which is, as Steve Jobs put it, the intersection between technology & liberal arts.
    pscooter6378BanditJWSC
  • Reply 39 of 52
    ksec said:
    arie said:
    My choice : bring Scott Forstall back. He grew up in the apple tradition with Steve.  Or someone who has similar background. 
    That is if Johnny is OK with that..... and that is going to be hard.

    And one thing, Tim Cook is on the board, so it is not really the board's pick. And that kinda worries me because Tim hasn't been the best at picking people, although i see him better at doing this.

    I am not at tall worries who is the next CEO, i think anyone would do fine with the SVP level. I am EXTREMELY worries who is going to replace Johny. Because Steve made it Johnny has the ultimate power, i.e A product person, over sales, operation, or any other part.

    And i dont see anyone quite fitting that role. And it would be nice if Johny pick someone from Britain, the design part of Apple needs to continue the tradition of speaking "Aluminum". 


    I know Steve said that but Tim is running the company now. There is no one person with ultimate power other than Tim just by virtue of being CEO. And even he of course is accountable to the board of directors. Also what does Scott Forestall know about running an $800B company? Just because he and Steve shared the same skeuomorphic design taste?
    edited October 2017
  • Reply 40 of 52
    JWSCJWSC Posts: 1,203member
    6502 said:
    ... Some of the best CEOs were not considered class acts (Jobs, Gates, Ballmer, Dell)
    Ballmer?  Ballmer???  Seriously?!!!  😳
    wozwoz
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