PickUrPoison said: Why talk them out of the idea? Seems harmless enough, if that’s what they want. As a parent I care about a lot of things and make a lot of decisions based on what I decide is best for my child. But how he wants to wear his hair? I’m not so concerned; personal expression and creativity are to be encouraged, no?
Yea, I get that it's not a huge deal... but I think it's opposite of personal expression and creativity. It's more like... I see some other kid do it, so now I'm going to do it too. So, it's a good teaching moment to talk about the 'why' and what they really want and positives, negatives, etc.
Great review Mike thank you. By coincidence I have spent the last week doing 4K UHD / 2160p@30fps tests on a lower budget but similar pair, the iPhone 7 Plus and Panasonic Lumix FZ2500 and had very similar results, both very good with decent light the Lumix wining clearly though. I'm taking them both to Antarctica soon rather than my Canon body and L lenses simply due to the weight of the latter gear is ludicrous for travel these days at my age. The FZ2500 sadly isn't weather proofed, the iPhone 7 Plus is somewhat. The thing that can really gives the iPhone the edge in both our tests is neither the GH5 nor FZ2500 Lumix fit in a your jeans pocket!
I will add though, the 24-400/ 35 mm equivalent Leica lens on the FZ2500 is killer. For camera enthusiasts who may wonder why I selected the Lumix over the excellent Sony RX10 III, it was the built in ND filters. Had the RX had them I'd have gone with the Sony.
I tested my iPhone 7 Plus with a Sony FDRAX53. Some of my results were similar, but the Sony AX53 was far superior in most situations shooting in 4K. With that said, I'm still amazed at how far phone cameras have come, especially with the iPhone. A lot of times when I'm traveling, there are days I don't feel like hauling my Nikon around so I will just use the iPhone. Out of curiosity, are you doing one of those cruises to Antarctica? Antarctica is pretty high on my bucket list.
I agree, the iPhone's results are just staggering. It's border line nit picking to criticize them when you consider what state of the art video was only a few years ago with cameras costing >$50K. The ability to use a EVF and have a great zoom lens and ND filters are the only reason I'll need the Lumix, smaller sensors are so good these days for all but pixel peeping. Also, I may have great eye sight for my age but I cannot focus close and using a rear view LCD is a PITA for me whatever the conditions as I have to fish out my glasses. I keep the Lumix and my Canon with the LCD turned in and use the EVF for everything and the diopter adjustment mean no glasses. I'd rather not answer any details regarding my trip as last year a member on AI researched into a trip I'd mentioned used process of elimination and some info he'd gained via IM when I trusted him and posted too many details online and even suggested we could get robbed. My wife was extremely alarmed. Enough to say Antarctica has long been on my bucket list too. The Larson Ice shelf situation is just mind blowing. I've ticked Alaska off my list and still have New Zealand to go. It must be living and retiring to Florida drives me to need to see glaciers and mountains lol. Mind you as a Brit, ending up a US citizen living and retiring in America was an early bucket list item for me too which I achieved at 38, so I am a very happy and very lucky person indeed and appreciate every moment. I wish you well with your list. Tempus Fugit!
This is what "common sense" shooters will tell you. It's nice to have this video to illustrate the point.
The iPhone camera is really good. It's particularly impressive when you consider that the camera includes a pocket computer and communications device at no extra cost.
However, when I hear people say they're going to shoot their next session, doc, or short on an iPhone and leave their prosumer gear at home, I shake my head wondering why they would do that? It seems obvious that a dedicated device designed for a specific task is going to provide options and benefits that an all-in-one consumer product won't. I don't understand why anyone would deliberately choose "good enough with some acceptable deficiencies" when it's so easy to achieve "even better without the flaws."
There''s nothing wrong with saying the iPhone camera is really good, an excellent choice for many applications, but not capable of (or intended for) some of the things a pro or even prosumer camera can do. Why does it have to be a "replacement" for pro gear to be considered viable in some people's minds?
I just sold off all of my Canon 70D and Lumix GH kit and will be shooting primarily with my new iPhone X. My only backup now will be my Canon PowerShot G9 all-in-one. And I am a professionally trained commercial photographer. The reasons are very simple: Ease of use, high quality imaging, and significantly less eguipment to carry around and setup. Although I used to do a lot of studio work, I now shoot stills and video mostly for social media and the web and I see no reason to have more kit than this. Your comment - “why anyone would deliberately choose "good enough with some acceptable deficiencies" when it's so easy to achieve "even better without the flaws“ - this is the same thing that was said about shooting video with the Lumix and Canon DSLR cameras when they started shooting better video. Yet they still ended up being used to shoot professional theatrical movies, all or in part, based on the same benifits I stated above. As to quality, this is no different than choosing to shoot video with a Canon DSLR versus a Red camera which is used in shooting many theatrical films today. There is a quality difference, yes, but you need to put the footage side by side to realy discern any significant difference. As a general rule in photography, the subject, composition and lighting are far more important than the equipment.
One last thought. With the amazing and easy to use editing tools provided by Apple, many of the variances identified with the iPhone vs the Lumix GH can actually be easily improved in post.
Agree with both of you to be honest, it's horses for courses and situations (heavy gear when traveling and the state of air travel in general is not a lot of fun these days sadly) plus we camera guys love toys. As I mentioned to boltsfan17, my eyesight at close range keeps me preferring an EVF, else I'd probably be using the iPhone far more. They are phenomenal cameras for many situations. Enjoy your X, I am a few years away from upgrading phones so the 7 Plus has to make do for now
Why kind of parent would tell a child he couldn't brush his hair that way?
While my post was in jest, I know you have a difficult time with humor so I’ll take your bait for a serious discussion on the matter. Kids that age don’t think to get fauxhawks on their own, it’s a parent who thinks it’s cute to make his kid look like a quasi badass hipster.
Whether or not your comment was meant "in jest" has almost nothing to do with it; even "in jest" your comment was needlessly negative. It has nothing to do with anyone potentially having a 'difficult time with humor'.
What a bizarre thing to be judgmental about.
This was all blown up because the initial and light heated comment was jumped on needlessly by someone who seems to have too much time on his hands looking for anything to comment on.
Great review Mike thank you. By coincidence I have spent the last week doing 4K UHD / 2160p@30fps tests on a lower budget but similar pair, the iPhone 7 Plus and Panasonic Lumix FZ2500 and had very similar results, both very good with decent light the Lumix wining clearly though. I'm taking them both to Antarctica soon rather than my Canon body and L lenses simply due to the weight of the latter gear is ludicrous for travel these days at my age. The FZ2500 sadly isn't weather proofed, the iPhone 7 Plus is somewhat. The thing that can really gives the iPhone the edge in both our tests is neither the GH5 nor FZ2500 Lumix fit in a your jeans pocket!
I will add though, the 24-400/ 35 mm equivalent Leica lens on the FZ2500 is killer. For camera enthusiasts who may wonder why I selected the Lumix over the excellent Sony RX10 III, it was the built in ND filters. Had the RX had them I'd have gone with the Sony.
I tested my iPhone 7 Plus with a Sony FDRAX53. Some of my results were similar, but the Sony AX53 was far superior in most situations shooting in 4K. With that said, I'm still amazed at how far phone cameras have come, especially with the iPhone. A lot of times when I'm traveling, there are days I don't feel like hauling my Nikon around so I will just use the iPhone. Out of curiosity, are you doing one of those cruises to Antarctica? Antarctica is pretty high on my bucket list.
I agree, the iPhone's results are just staggering. It's border line nit picking to criticize them when you consider what state of the art video was only a few years ago with cameras costing >$50K. The ability to use a EVF and have a great zoom lens and ND filters are the only reason I'll need the Lumix, smaller sensors are so good these days for all but pixel peeping. Also, I may have great eye sight for my age but I cannot focus close and using a rear view LCD is a PITA for me whatever the conditions as I have to fish out my glasses. I keep the Lumix and my Canon with the LCD turned in and use the EVF for everything and the diopter adjustment mean no glasses. I'd rather not answer any details regarding my trip as last year a member on AI researched into a trip I'd mentioned used process of elimination and some info he'd gained via IM when I trusted him and posted too many details online and even suggested we could get robbed. My wife was extremely alarmed. Enough to say Antarctica has long been on my bucket list too. The Larson Ice shelf situation is just mind blowing. I've ticked Alaska off my list and still have New Zealand to go. It must be living and retiring to Florida drives me to need to see glaciers and mountains lol. Mind you as a Brit, ending up a US citizen living and retiring in America was an early bucket list item for me too which I achieved at 38, so I am a very happy and very lucky person indeed and appreciate every moment. I wish you well with your list. Tempus Fugit!
For me the most important issues are EVF, dioptric adjustment and handling. There are others but there is no taking away the fact that camera phones have come a long way.
I went mirrorless for stills from day one with a Lumix G1 and now have a G6. It's so flexible and light.
So sad that someone tried to dig out information about you and post it without your permission. I can understand you are wary about giving details. It's wise but sad these types of people seem to enjoy what they do.
Great review Mike thank you. By coincidence I have spent the last week doing 4K UHD / 2160p@30fps tests on a lower budget but similar pair, the iPhone 7 Plus and Panasonic Lumix FZ2500 and had very similar results, both very good with decent light the Lumix wining clearly though. I'm taking them both to Antarctica soon rather than my Canon body and L lenses simply due to the weight of the latter gear is ludicrous for travel these days at my age. The FZ2500 sadly isn't weather proofed, the iPhone 7 Plus is somewhat. The thing that can really gives the iPhone the edge in both our tests is neither the GH5 nor FZ2500 Lumix fit in a your jeans pocket!
I will add though, the 24-400/ 35 mm equivalent Leica lens on the FZ2500 is killer. For camera enthusiasts who may wonder why I selected the Lumix over the excellent Sony RX10 III, it was the built in ND filters. Had the RX had them I'd have gone with the Sony.
I tested my iPhone 7 Plus with a Sony FDRAX53. Some of my results were similar, but the Sony AX53 was far superior in most situations shooting in 4K. With that said, I'm still amazed at how far phone cameras have come, especially with the iPhone. A lot of times when I'm traveling, there are days I don't feel like hauling my Nikon around so I will just use the iPhone. Out of curiosity, are you doing one of those cruises to Antarctica? Antarctica is pretty high on my bucket list.
I agree, the iPhone's results are just staggering. It's border line nit picking to criticize them when you consider what state of the art video was only a few years ago with cameras costing >$50K. The ability to use a EVF and have a great zoom lens and ND filters are the only reason I'll need the Lumix, smaller sensors are so good these days for all but pixel peeping. Also, I may have great eye sight for my age but I cannot focus close and using a rear view LCD is a PITA for me whatever the conditions as I have to fish out my glasses. I keep the Lumix and my Canon with the LCD turned in and use the EVF for everything and the diopter adjustment mean no glasses. I'd rather not answer any details regarding my trip as last year a member on AI researched into a trip I'd mentioned used process of elimination and some info he'd gained via IM when I trusted him and posted too many details online and even suggested we could get robbed. My wife was extremely alarmed. Enough to say Antarctica has long been on my bucket list too. The Larson Ice shelf situation is just mind blowing. I've ticked Alaska off my list and still have New Zealand to go. It must be living and retiring to Florida drives me to need to see glaciers and mountains lol. Mind you as a Brit, ending up a US citizen living and retiring in America was an early bucket list item for me too which I achieved at 38, so I am a very happy and very lucky person indeed and appreciate every moment. I wish you well with your list. Tempus Fugit!
For me the most important issues are EVF, dioptric adjustment and handling. There are others but there is no taking away the fact that camera phones have come a long way.
I went mirrorless for stills from day one with a Lumix G1 and now have a G6. It's so flexible and light.
So sad that someone tried to dig out information about you and post it without your permission. I can understand you are wary about giving details. It's wise but sad these types of people seem to enjoy what they do.
I must admit now I have learned to really like the FZ2500 a lot and I have been looking at the GH line from Lumix quite a bit on YouTube reviews recently. That said I don't think I'd part with an FX even if I got a GH as being an all in one mirrorless albeit a small sensor it is so convenient never having to change lenses. If they make a dust/weatherproofed version next I'll probably upgrade.
I just realized but too late to edit I referred to EVFs on my Canon and Lumix. of course the Canon doesn't an EVF being a DSLR! Terminology can be a bitch! lol. Thought I'd correct that before a pedant chimes in.
Soli said: 2) Kids are sponges and will pick up countless things from older siblings, cousins, television, peers, and countless other sources, so your non-jocular affirmation that “it’s a parent who thinks it’s cute to make his kid look like a quasi badass hipster” because children have no mental capacity for desires or trends not pushed on them by their parents is rubbish.
It's actually more like a test of parenting skills is you're capable of talking them out of the idea.
Why talk them out of the idea? Seems harmless enough, if that’s what they want. As a parent I care about a lot of things and make a lot of decisions based on what I decide is best for my child. But how he wants to wear his hair? I’m not so concerned; personal expression and creativity are to be encouraged, no?
When my daughter was 8 she gathered up her courage and asked if she could cut her hair short. She seemed surprised when we responded that it's her hair and she can do whatever she wants with it.
There aren't many parts of a kid's life over which they have any "power." Letting them make some decisions about their own lives is good for them. Hair style actually seems like a pretty good one, because it's something that provides social feedback so they get a sense of how their choices and appearance affect how others perceive them.
One significant advantage of "dedicated" cameras is they usually have much better audio capture than the iPhone. The difference in size and shape that people cite as a reason to prefer the iPhone sets the limit for the kind of microphone that can be incorporated into the body. In casual settings (i.e. not a "production" situation with dedicated outboard audio) the difference between iPhone audio and that captured by a dedicated camcorder, even with just a built-in microphone, is almost always obvious and pronounced, not requiring any kind of side-by-side comparison to be apparent.
Why kind of parent would tell a child he couldn't brush his hair that way?
While my post was in jest, I know you have a difficult time with humor so I’ll take your bait for a serious discussion on the matter. Kids that age don’t think to get fauxhawks on their own, it’s a parent who thinks it’s cute to make his kid look like a quasi badass hipster.
Yes they do. My kid around that age saw it in a movie and wanted it. A few of the kids on his soccer team at the time also had fauxhawks.
Eh, it's just hair. Anybody that judges other people parenting skills based on a haircut is a judgmental dumbass.
Great review Mike thank you. By coincidence I have spent the last week doing 4K UHD / 2160p@30fps tests on a lower budget but similar pair, the iPhone 7 Plus and Panasonic Lumix FZ2500 and had very similar results, both very good with decent light the Lumix wining clearly though. I'm taking them both to Antarctica soon rather than my Canon body and L lenses simply due to the weight of the latter gear is ludicrous for travel these days at my age. The FZ2500 sadly isn't weather proofed, the iPhone 7 Plus is somewhat. The thing that can really gives the iPhone the edge in both our tests is neither the GH5 nor FZ2500 Lumix fit in a your jeans pocket!
I will add though, the 24-400/ 35 mm equivalent Leica lens on the FZ2500 is killer. For camera enthusiasts who may wonder why I selected the Lumix over the excellent Sony RX10 III, it was the built in ND filters. Had the RX had them I'd have gone with the Sony.
I tested my iPhone 7 Plus with a Sony FDRAX53. Some of my results were similar, but the Sony AX53 was far superior in most situations shooting in 4K. With that said, I'm still amazed at how far phone cameras have come, especially with the iPhone. A lot of times when I'm traveling, there are days I don't feel like hauling my Nikon around so I will just use the iPhone. Out of curiosity, are you doing one of those cruises to Antarctica? Antarctica is pretty high on my bucket list.
I agree, the iPhone's results are just staggering. It's border line nit picking to criticize them when you consider what state of the art video was only a few years ago with cameras costing >$50K. The ability to use a EVF and have a great zoom lens and ND filters are the only reason I'll need the Lumix, smaller sensors are so good these days for all but pixel peeping. Also, I may have great eye sight for my age but I cannot focus close and using a rear view LCD is a PITA for me whatever the conditions as I have to fish out my glasses. I keep the Lumix and my Canon with the LCD turned in and use the EVF for everything and the diopter adjustment mean no glasses. I'd rather not answer any details regarding my trip as last year a member on AI researched into a trip I'd mentioned used process of elimination and some info he'd gained via IM when I trusted him and posted too many details online and even suggested we could get robbed. My wife was extremely alarmed. Enough to say Antarctica has long been on my bucket list too. The Larson Ice shelf situation is just mind blowing. I've ticked Alaska off my list and still have New Zealand to go. It must be living and retiring to Florida drives me to need to see glaciers and mountains lol. Mind you as a Brit, ending up a US citizen living and retiring in America was an early bucket list item for me too which I achieved at 38, so I am a very happy and very lucky person indeed and appreciate every moment. I wish you well with your list. Tempus Fugit!
If they aren't banned they should be.
Antarctica is a bucket list item. New Zealand is logistically easier.
Antarctica is a bucket list item. New Zealand is logistically easier.
I'm (very slowly) trying to figure out the logistics that could allow me to work in Antartica for a few months (or longer). I'm curious as hell to have that experience.
One significant advantage of "dedicated" cameras is they usually have much better audio capture than the iPhone. The difference in size and shape that people cite as a reason to prefer the iPhone sets the limit for the kind of microphone that can be incorporated into the body. In casual settings (i.e. not a "production" situation with dedicated outboard audio) the difference between iPhone audio and that captured by a dedicated camcorder, even with just a built-in microphone, is almost always obvious and pronounced, not requiring any kind of side-by-side comparison to be apparent.
An external mic isn't that hard to get for an iPhone and is relatively small.
I carry a Moment telephoto and a little mic purchased on Amazon in a little bag that I can throw in my backpack or pocket. It's not "production".
An external mic isn't that hard to get for an iPhone and is relatively small.
Part of what makes a mic good for natural sound is directivity -- rejecting sound from the rear and, to a lesser extent, the sides. That requires a mic of a certain size, as rejection is achieved by physically cancelling certain wavelengths in the body of the mic. That usually means that a small mic isn't terribly effective for the task, since it can only cancel high frequencies (short wavelengths). It could, of course, still be a lot better than the mic in the iPhone.
I carry a Moment telephoto and a little mic purchased on Amazon in a little bag that I can throw in my backpack or pocket. It's not "production".
I haven't tried any of the "snap on" lenses because I'm skeptical of that approach being able to work well without nasty side effects. Lenses seem like the kind of thing that would require much tighter tolerances than can be achieved with something like that. Am I wrong? Do you not get strange colour and shape aberrations at the edges?
Great review Mike thank you. By coincidence I have spent the last week doing 4K UHD / 2160p@30fps tests on a lower budget but similar pair, the iPhone 7 Plus and Panasonic Lumix FZ2500 and had very similar results, both very good with decent light the Lumix wining clearly though. I'm taking them both to Antarctica soon rather than my Canon body and L lenses simply due to the weight of the latter gear is ludicrous for travel these days at my age. The FZ2500 sadly isn't weather proofed, the iPhone 7 Plus is somewhat. The thing that can really gives the iPhone the edge in both our tests is neither the GH5 nor FZ2500 Lumix fit in a your jeans pocket!
I will add though, the 24-400/ 35 mm equivalent Leica lens on the FZ2500 is killer. For camera enthusiasts who may wonder why I selected the Lumix over the excellent Sony RX10 III, it was the built in ND filters. Had the RX had them I'd have gone with the Sony.
I tested my iPhone 7 Plus with a Sony FDRAX53. Some of my results were similar, but the Sony AX53 was far superior in most situations shooting in 4K. With that said, I'm still amazed at how far phone cameras have come, especially with the iPhone. A lot of times when I'm traveling, there are days I don't feel like hauling my Nikon around so I will just use the iPhone. Out of curiosity, are you doing one of those cruises to Antarctica? Antarctica is pretty high on my bucket list.
I agree, the iPhone's results are just staggering. It's border line nit picking to criticize them when you consider what state of the art video was only a few years ago with cameras costing >$50K. The ability to use a EVF and have a great zoom lens and ND filters are the only reason I'll need the Lumix, smaller sensors are so good these days for all but pixel peeping. Also, I may have great eye sight for my age but I cannot focus close and using a rear view LCD is a PITA for me whatever the conditions as I have to fish out my glasses. I keep the Lumix and my Canon with the LCD turned in and use the EVF for everything and the diopter adjustment mean no glasses. I'd rather not answer any details regarding my trip as last year a member on AI researched into a trip I'd mentioned used process of elimination and some info he'd gained via IM when I trusted him and posted too many details online and even suggested we could get robbed. My wife was extremely alarmed. Enough to say Antarctica has long been on my bucket list too. The Larson Ice shelf situation is just mind blowing. I've ticked Alaska off my list and still have New Zealand to go. It must be living and retiring to Florida drives me to need to see glaciers and mountains lol. Mind you as a Brit, ending up a US citizen living and retiring in America was an early bucket list item for me too which I achieved at 38, so I am a very happy and very lucky person indeed and appreciate every moment. I wish you well with your list. Tempus Fugit!
For me the most important issues are EVF, dioptric adjustment and handling. There are others but there is no taking away the fact that camera phones have come a long way.
I went mirrorless for stills from day one with a Lumix G1 and now have a G6. It's so flexible and light.
So sad that someone tried to dig out information about you and post it without your permission. I can understand you are wary about giving details. It's wise but sad these types of people seem to enjoy what they do.
I must admit now I have learned to really like the FZ2500 a lot and I have been looking at the GH line from Lumix quite a bit on YouTube reviews recently. That said I don't think I'd part with an FX even if I got a GH as being an all in one mirrorless albeit a small sensor it is so convenient never having to change lenses. If they make a dust/weatherproofed version next I'll probably upgrade.
I just realized but too late to edit I referred to EVFs on my Canon and Lumix. of course the Canon doesn't an EVF being a DSLR! Terminology can be a bitch! lol. Thought I'd correct that before a pedant chimes in.
For a great all-in-one camera you should check out the new Canon G1 X Mark lll - it looks like an amazing camera. I think this is a better option than the Lumix GH cameras as you run into the same issues of carrying various lenses and accessories. Or check out the other cameras in the G series from Canon based on lens and aperture options.
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Agree with both of you to be honest, it's horses for courses and situations (heavy gear when traveling and the state of air travel in general is not a lot of fun these days sadly) plus we camera guys love toys. As I mentioned to boltsfan17, my eyesight at close range keeps me preferring an EVF, else I'd probably be using the iPhone far more. They are phenomenal cameras for many situations. Enjoy your X, I am a few years away from upgrading phones so the 7 Plus has to make do for now
This was all blown up because the initial and light heated comment was jumped on needlessly by someone who seems to have too much time on his hands looking for anything to comment on.
I went mirrorless for stills from day one with a Lumix G1 and now have a G6. It's so flexible and light.
So sad that someone tried to dig out information about you and post it without your permission. I can understand you are wary about giving details. It's wise but sad these types of people seem to enjoy what they do.
I just realized but too late to edit I referred to EVFs on my Canon and Lumix. of course the Canon doesn't an EVF being a DSLR! Terminology can be a bitch! lol. Thought I'd correct that before a pedant chimes in.
There aren't many parts of a kid's life over which they have any "power." Letting them make some decisions about their own lives is good for them. Hair style actually seems like a pretty good one, because it's something that provides social feedback so they get a sense of how their choices and appearance affect how others perceive them.
Eh, it's just hair. Anybody that judges other people parenting skills based on a haircut is a judgmental dumbass.
Antarctica is a bucket list item. New Zealand is logistically easier.
I enjoyed this series.
An external mic isn't that hard to get for an iPhone and is relatively small.
I carry a Moment telephoto and a little mic purchased on Amazon in a little bag that I can throw in my backpack or pocket. It's not "production".
I haven't tried any of the "snap on" lenses because I'm skeptical of that approach being able to work well without nasty side effects. Lenses seem like the kind of thing that would require much tighter tolerances than can be achieved with something like that. Am I wrong? Do you not get strange colour and shape aberrations at the edges?