Think Different, people! New iDevices and Apple philosophy

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  • Reply 41 of 95
    mingming Posts: 41member
    [quote]I'm shocked that you didn't suggest the Apple iPrinter to be released next, who cares that Epson, HP, and Lexmark are fighting it out. You know, iLaserwriter X.<hr></blockquote>

    Apple has done this and been there. Printers such as the Stylewriter series from years ago greatly simplified the printing experience with features that PC printer companies today cannot grasp. The Stylewriter turned on automatically when a signal is sent from the Mac, and turned itself off after five minutes. Today, Lexmark gives you this crap where you have to press the green button to turn on the stupid printer or else get a man telling you in a machine-like voice "problem communicating with printer," and it'll stay on for years wasting electricity slowly but surely if you don't press the green button again after printing. There's simply no reason to have power buttons on printers. This is only a small detail, and I don't think this was Steve's idea, but hey, this is what Apple is all about. If Apple released its own printer today and kept up with resolution specs then Mac users would definitely go with Apple instead of Lexmark or Epson or other companies that write bad drivers. On a side note, I wish there was an iVCD app that had full karaoke functionality, so that you could sing into a Mac microphone, and have your Mac seamlessly integrate your voice into the music, considering the Mac's music creation strengths. All the hardware is present, and VCD format for karaoke is as common as VHS in Asia, so millions of Asian computer buyer attentions would be attracted, so it's a shame that your computer with Harmon Kardon speakers doesn't have software for full karaoke functions, and we have to go out and import DVD players or VCD players from Asia for karaoke.
  • Reply 42 of 95
    undotwaundotwa Posts: 97member
    My epson turns on automatically.
  • Reply 43 of 95
    othelloothello Posts: 1,054member
    [quote]Originally posted by gifted expert:

    <strong>Modified nForce inside of the new iPod.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    it would have to be heavily modified... <img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" />
  • Reply 44 of 95
    [quote]Originally posted by undotwa:

    <strong>My epson turns on automatically.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Which Espon is that ?
  • Reply 45 of 95
    hotboxdhotboxd Posts: 125member
    Well a dedicated still camera doesn't need 5GB of space, 128MB is the most anyone would need.



    If they do make a camera line, it might make sense to have 2 different models. One model has all the iPod like functionality described above, but is a still camera only and has a built in 128MB memory. This would make it cheaper, lighter, and thinner than a camera with a Firefly drive inside it. The other model would basically be a DV camera with still photo capabilities, DV is the main focus though. This would have a 10 or 15GB Firefly drive in it. Not everybody has a use for recording videos, but most people have a use for still cameras, so splitting it up like this would make sense.



    The problem with making a one button camera is that zooming is a pretty essential part of photography/video. I suppose this could be gotten around by having a shoot-mode and an edit-mode, like Canon cameras do. The scroll wheel could be used for zooming in shoot-mode, and GIU manipulation in edit-mode. This would be nice especially if the iPod-like scroll-wheel was on the right side of the back of the camera so it could be easily controlled by the thumb of the right hand as it grips that side of the camera with the shoot-button right above it. Or, theoretically the shoot command could be issued from the zoom/scroll-wheel by pressing down on it, which would be elegant and a true one button camera but might confuse people used to the way a regular camera is set up.



    On the question of 1 button mice vs. 2 button mice, Apple could theoretically have all consumer systems ship with the regular 1 button mouse/trackpad, maybe with a scroll wheel. Then (on the assumption that people who use the Pro hardware are more advanced users) they would include a 2 button mouse/trackpad with scroll wheel with the PowerMac/PowerBook. It would be simple to design the buttons so that the left-click main button was larger than the right-click, thus avoiding confusion. Also the 2 button option would be available on the consumer systems as a BTO option. That might solve some of the problems with differences in skill levels, but may also be confusing to some people.
  • Reply 46 of 95
    hobbeshobbes Posts: 1,252member
    The difficult question that Apple has to ask itself now is:



    Can Apple continue to position itself as a consumer company... in a consumer market that shows few signs of recovery?



    Almost everything Apple has done in past five years has worked to this end, including the very nicely stated philosophy by the poster of this thread.



    What if this is misplaced?



    What is Apple's true path to the consumer market is in fact through education, higher education, and business? Just as Dell did it? What if the Xserve is greeted with more enthusiasm than expected, and Apple begins to lose its tarnish in IT and business?



    This is what Apple has to watch very carefully, with OS X and Xserve.



    Obviously Apple isn't to abandon the consumer market. But we may seem very unconsumer-oriented directions, with the same philosophy (slightly modified) at heart.
  • Reply 47 of 95
    travtrav Posts: 3member
    My guess for an iDevice:



    iFrame



    Anybody who has seen the current crop of digital photo frames will understand why Apple would enter this market. The frames right now are horrible (slow draw times, requiring a pay service and a modem hookup for your frame so it can download images you've uploaded to the website, etc, etc.). The market is pathetic and it is no wonder why it hasn't taken off. Apple, however, has been pushing LCD screens for a while. Add a small harddrive on the back, Firewire plug to download directly from iPhoto, throw in some cool Apple design for the frame, and presto! iFrame!
  • Reply 48 of 95
    rhumgodrhumgod Posts: 1,289member
    [quote]Originally posted by k_munic:

    <strong>over here we call it KISS= Keep It Simple & Stupid



    Apple´s philosophy is one word. PURE.

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    Quite excellent points and thinking! A nice spring breeze that blows through the stench in some of these AI forums. Cheers.
  • Reply 49 of 95
    Hi, am I the only person out there that just doesn't think that another digital camera won't really do it? I mean, my iPod is one of the greatest purchases I've ever made in my life because I love music so much and it holds almost my whole collection in a simple, easy to carry around encasement. I've seen lots of speculation on what would make a better digital camera/camcorder from this forum and others, but are any of these improvements so groundbreaking that they are on par with the iPod? I don't think so, most are pretty complicated and the average user just won't be interested in them. I mean, look at the advertising campaign for the iPod - "1000 Songs, In Your Pocket".. now that's everything you need to know about the damned thing - that idea alone hooks you.

    The digital camera market has been tackled by so many great companies that have partnered up with some of the best lens developers in the country. The bottom line is that when I think of digital cameras, I don't think of Apple. I doubt they'll be able to change my mind on that one. Who I do think of are companies such as Nikon, or Canon - people who have been doing it for years.



    I have no idea if Apple will even release a new "iDevice" at MWNY, my guess is just an update to the iPod and that's it. I suppose that would be fine with me (graphical equalizer anyone? Playlists on the fly?). I have a Sony Clie, and I know that I would be first in line to buy a new apple PDA.. but that might not fly for the rest of the country what with the oversaturated Palm market. Whatever is up Apple's sleeve, I hope it's good.
  • Reply 50 of 95
    [quote]Originally posted by Trav:

    <strong>My guess for an iDevice:



    iFrame



    Anybody who has seen the current crop of digital photo frames will understand why Apple would enter this market. The frames right now are horrible (slow draw times, requiring a pay service and a modem hookup for your frame so it can download images you've uploaded to the website, etc, etc.). The market is pathetic and it is no wonder why it hasn't taken off. Apple, however, has been pushing LCD screens for a while. Add a small harddrive on the back, Firewire plug to download directly from iPhoto, throw in some cool Apple design for the frame, and presto! iFrame!</strong><hr></blockquote>



    You have just described one of the many uses that a Cheap wireless Tablet device would provide.



    But "To Keep With The Threads Simpler Is Better", No Harddrive or Firewire, instead 1 GB and Bluetooth. I would buy two or three to have around the house if they were under $400.



    It would require a 24-7 system for such an idea.



    Hey, can anyone say they want (or need) a 24-7 server running in thier house?



    The next big step in Personal Computing, the Home Server. Now thats thinking for the future.



    [ 07-15-2002: Message edited by: MrBillData ]</p>
  • Reply 51 of 95
    pevepeve Posts: 518member
    apple (steve jobs) has had a lucky hand with "new-and-improved" tools (hardware and software).



    they understand that the majority of computer users don't want the tool because of the tool - they want the tool to get work done or to have fun with their interests.



    keeping the tool simple (but not crippled) will enhance the productivity and fun.

    using good technologies will enhance possibilities.



    apple will come out with a brave new devise with good technology and great usability - if not at mwny then later.

    i got faith in them.



    i'm just leaning back and waiting for july 17th - for there is somthing coming.



    [ 07-15-2002: Message edited by: peve ]</p>
  • Reply 52 of 95
    iq78iq78 Posts: 256member
    What does everyone think of the latest jab from Microsoft's Apple Business Unit? According to the WSJ, MS is not thrilled with MacOSX adoption because it has meant slow sales of MS Office.



    My take on this leans towards being consperacy-theory type stuff, but I'm thinking MS might be concerned about what Apple has up their sleeves, and is parrying with tech propaganda. Miscrosoft's comments about slow MacOS X adoption does two things for Microsoft. It gets other developers to think twice about putting resources towards OSX development. "I mean, IF Office can't sell and profit on OSX, then how in the world is MY product going to do well..." is what MS might hope potential develoeprs might think of OS X. And it lays the legal groundwork for pulling the plug on OS X after a year or the next update. They make a comment like, sells are slow and we are really not sure about the future of this platform, BEFORE some big announcement is made that is direct competition to Microsoft... then Microsoft can say, "Hey, we're not pulling to the plug on APple because they are trying to compete with us directly with strategy 'ABC', we are pulling the plug because we don't think OS X is being adopted quick enough to warrent development of future Office versions. We stated such BEFORE strategy/product 'ABC' was announced.



    Anyway, the article in the Wallstreet Journal is the first article I've read that indicates that Microsoft is considering pulling the plug on MS Office for the Macintosh. I would guess, that they are doing this because Apple is about to piss them off, and this is their threat response. THey just need to get the threat out there before the announcement, else it would seem like a response to Apple's announcement.



    I'm really curious what Apple has up it's sleeve to provoke microsoft to make such a comment. I'd guess it is something we will see soon!



    I hope Apple is working hard on an Appleworks that is 100% compatible with all the Office products.



    Comments?
  • Reply 53 of 95
    mrbilldatamrbilldata Posts: 489member
    [quote]Originally posted by IQ78:

    <strong>...

    I hope Apple is working hard on an Appleworks that is 100% compatible with all the Office products.



    Comments?</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Maybe even an Appleworks that runs on MacOS and PC. <img src="graemlins/hmmm.gif" border="0" alt="[Hmmm]" /> <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
  • Reply 54 of 95
    rhumgodrhumgod Posts: 1,289member
    [quote]Originally posted by MrBillData:

    <strong>Hey, can anyone say they want (or need) a 24-7 server running in thier house?

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    Yes. <a href="http://x2112.dyndns.org"; target="_blank">My web site.</a>



    I plan on adding a ton of things to it too, including home security and remote appliance control, but will probably add another server for that.
  • Reply 55 of 95
    aphelionaphelion Posts: 736member
    [quote]Originally posted by Derrick 61:

    <strong>Wanted...



    Apple DV/Still cam, using the Foveon sensor!</strong><hr></blockquote>



    YES! The Foveon chip is ready and it's a generation ahead of existing CCD's
  • Reply 56 of 95
    rhumgodrhumgod Posts: 1,289member
    [quote]Originally posted by IQ78:

    <strong>What does everyone think of the latest jab from Microsoft's Apple Business Unit?</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Microsoft is blaming Apple for poor Microsoft sales! <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" /> What is Mr Browne going to do, publicly, blame himself?
  • Reply 57 of 95
    tabootaboo Posts: 128member
    [quote]Originally posted by IQ78:

    <strong>What does everyone think of the latest jab from Microsoft's Apple Business Unit? According to the WSJ, MS is not thrilled with MacOSX adoption because it has meant slow sales of MS Office.



    My take on this leans towards being consperacy-theory type stuff, but I'm thinking MS might be concerned about what Apple has up their sleeves, and is parrying with tech propaganda. Miscrosoft's comments about slow MacOS X adoption does two things for Microsoft. It gets other developers to think twice about putting resources towards OSX development. "I mean, IF Office can't sell and profit on OSX, then how in the world is MY product going to do well..." is what MS might hope potential develoeprs might think of OS X. And it lays the legal groundwork for pulling the plug on OS X after a year or the next update. They make a comment like, sells are slow and we are really not sure about the future of this platform, BEFORE some big announcement is made that is direct competition to Microsoft... then Microsoft can say, "Hey, we're not pulling to the plug on APple because they are trying to compete with us directly with strategy 'ABC', we are pulling the plug because we don't think OS X is being adopted quick enough to warrent development of future Office versions. We stated such BEFORE strategy/product 'ABC' was announced.



    Anyway, the article in the Wallstreet Journal is the first article I've read that indicates that Microsoft is considering pulling the plug on MS Office for the Macintosh. I would guess, that they are doing this because Apple is about to piss them off, and this is their threat response. THey just need to get the threat out there before the announcement, else it would seem like a response to Apple's announcement.



    I'm really curious what Apple has up it's sleeve to provoke microsoft to make such a comment. I'd guess it is something we will see soon!



    I hope Apple is working hard on an Appleworks that is 100% compatible with all the Office products.



    Comments?</strong><hr></blockquote>





    You're probably right in that this is retaliation-in-advance for something Apple is about to do. Could be any number of things .... .Mac, Switch, recent purchases (with lack of future Windows support), etc. Or it could be everything combined....Apple is being very obvious and active going after market share now, and that's a threat to M$.

    As for AppleWorks/Office compatability....Apple knew that agreement was ending this year, which makes me suspect that an updated AppleWorks is already finished....just in case. I think that dark room I mentioned earlier has a whole bunch of goodies just waiting for the right time/provocation.

    Just my 2¢, but we know that the Apple brass is not stupid by any means.
  • Reply 58 of 95
    warpdwarpd Posts: 204member
    I must say, I found it interesting that MS actually had to step in and help Apple get 10.1 out of the door, and it is true that MS took a lot of flack for the office X delay, when it was clearly the state of Apple's OS that was the issue. In MS's defense, I know some people with the Mac BU, and they are all bona fide Mac nuts. The lack of support, and often complete disrespect that they get from Apple has long been a issue. I know we are all here because we love the platform, but let's not forget that Apple is hardly the most humble company on earth.



    [ 07-15-2002: Message edited by: warpd ]</p>
  • Reply 59 of 95
    warpdwarpd Posts: 204member
    Also...I know that this does not fit in with our wildly over active imaginations, but I just wanted to put this out there; Perhaps MS is thinking about yanking office because, and I know this sounds silly, but because it really isn't selling enough to cover the huge expenses involved in maintaining and updating it's code base. I know, they could not possibly be telling the truth, therefore it must be some gatesian plan to stop Apple before they come out with a carbon based, Powerbook, for under $300.
  • Reply 60 of 95
    [quote]Originally posted by Yet Another Registration:

    <strong> So, instead of trying to cram PDA/Tablet/camera/DV cam/toaster oven/OS X lite/cell phone/video player/lug wrench/wireless all into one product as much of the (fake) speculation does areound here, I urge you to think like Steve. </strong><hr></blockquote>



    I agree with you every were but here. The incredible thing about a PDA is it is a computer. It has a processor a hardrive, RAM, every thing (at least my ideal iPad ). This means that it is capable of running a verity of different pieces of software that could enable the hardware to do new things [b/]without[/b] upgrading expensive hardware. People do not have the money to buy a PDA a tablet a camera ect. The more you can find ways to have one pice of hardware be powered by different software the better for 3 major reasons. #1. It is cheeper. #2. I do not have that much pocket space. I can not have an iPod PDA, camera ect all in my pants at once! #3. The software can talk to each other. You could get an incoming call on your cell phone and add it to you address book and then take a pic of that person and add that pic to there vCard, all with one pice of hardware but several pieces of software. But it is also true that you can not just go cramming every digital device you can think of into a PDA. For instance a toaster oven would be nice as it own device



    I could see an Apple PDA sporting software that enables the hardware to act as a cell phone,address book, notepad, video player, MP3 player, remote control ect. Of course to do this right you would have to put a lot of thought into the design of the hardware to make sure it acomidates these needs in the best way it can.



    [ 07-15-2002: Message edited by: Michaelm8000 ]</p>
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