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Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates has warned Apple and other tech companies that they need to exercise care when dealing with governments over important issues, such as the San Bernardino fight between Apple and the FBI over a locked iPhone, suggesting the firms may be inviting government intervention for overtly arrogant actions.




In an interview with Axios ahead of the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation's annual letter release, Gates noted the policies and activities of major tech firms are working against some important areas of the government's work. "The companies need to be careful that they're not... advocating things that would prevent government from being able to, under appropriate review, perform the type of functions that we've come to count on," advises Gates.

When asked if he has seen situations where this has occurred, Gates confirms "Oh, absolutely."

According to Gates, the tech companies have to be "careful that they're not trying to think their view is more important than the government's view, or than the government being able to function in some key areas." When asked for examples, he highlighted the "enthusiasm about making financial transactions anonymous and invisible, and their view that even a clear mass-murdering criminal's communication should never be available to the government."

While it is not mentioned specifically, it is likely that this refers to the ever-ongoing encryption debate between tech companies and government agencies, including the FBI. While the security agencies want to have access to data encrypted on smartphones, such as by the introduction of backdoors, Apple and other companies counter with claims that this would weaken security overall, increasing the chances of a data breach by a hacker or other bad actors.

Part of the debate was fueled by the 2016 San Bernardino shootings, where the FBI went to court to compel Apple into breaking into an iPhone 5c owned by one of the shooters to search for evidence. The Department of Justice withdrew the legal action after the FBI managed to gain access to the device, allegedly by paying Israel-based security firm Cellebrite to bypass Apple's device protection.

An open letter from Apple CEO Tim Cook published to the Apple website in February 2016 explained Apple's stance on encryption, due to it having "implications far beyond the legal case at hand." Cook warns that, while Apple could potentially have created a version of iOS to bypass the security, it was impossible to guarantee that it wouldn't be misused in the future, despite government insistence that it would only be used for that specific investigation.

On being asked if his example referred to Apple unlocking an iPhone for a government, Gates avoided confirming outright, but offered in reply "There's no question of ability; it's the question of willingness."

At the time of the San Bernardino dispute, Gates had to clarify reports suggesting he sided with the FBI, advising of a more balanced stance on the issue.

In the clarification, he suggested there could be a series of "safeguards" that could be implemented, preventing investigators from being "completely blind" in cases where such information would be warranted. He also acknowledged that the U.S. government has "taken information historically" and used it in unexpected ways, in activities going as far back as the FBI under J. Edgar Hoover's tenure.

As part of the same interview, Bill Gates also mused on how the progress of technology is empowering smaller groups of people to cause harm to others. Suggesting the potential for such groups to gain access to nuclear weapons and to cause biological terror and cyber attacks, Gates notes it is a good thing for children to access genetic technology in a laboratory, "unless a few people decide to make human-transmissible smallpox and spread that into the world."
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  • Reply 1 of 42
    eightzeroeightzero Posts: 3,069member
    If/when the government gets sufficiently fed up, it may simply take the iOS source code and pay "just compensation." Done.
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  • Reply 2 of 42
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    I agree with Mr. Gates. The strident caterwauling about privacy and government snooping by anonymous commenters on websites like this one is hilarious. If the FBI showed up at your doorstep you’d piss your pants and cry like a baby. You most certainly would not meet them at the door with your gun. If you pull on the dragon’s tail once to often you’re going to get burned. It is entirely possible that democratic governments will legislate access to encrypted data at some point. Better to be calm and quiet about it while demanding your privacy than to start a confrontation. Face it, people no longer control their governments, democratic or otherwise.
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  • Reply 3 of 42
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,344member
    eightzero said:
    If/when the government gets sufficiently fed up, it may simply take the iOS source code and pay "just compensation." Done.
    On privacy and security, Bill is past his shelf life. Stick with charitable causes.
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  • Reply 4 of 42
    The US government couldn’t protect its security clearance database but we are supposed to believe that they can be trusted with encryption back doors?


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  • Reply 5 of 42
    What happens when the “clear mass-murdering criminal(s)” are the government?

    No, there are things that are best left up wholly to the individual. Bill is disappointing.
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  • Reply 6 of 42
    Windows NT 4.0 had a well known backdoor that communicated to the NSA if the machine went online. The fix was to create an empty version of that file with the exact same size.

    Given this was in the nineties it’s no surprise Bill Gates sides with the government.

    I’m in two minds. Yes the government should be able to get data when proper protocol is followed. No they should not have carte blanche access to all data. No they must certainly not have a backdoor installed. No they can’t have the ability to access that data whenever they feel like it.

    You can use the old “If you’ve got nothing to hide you shouldn’t be concerned” attitude but the truth is this attitude is a quite dangerous one to have because it WILL get exploited.

    Apple is 100% correct in its view and Bill Gates has already proven that he doesn’t care at all about your privacy because WinNT 4 was under his rule. Gates is maybe 50% wrong in his view.
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  • Reply 7 of 42
    Bill got to where he is by doing what is best for himself; he is considered smart because he had a slightly longer timeline in mind than his competitors. It would not surprise me if the three letter agencies leaned on him a bit. 

    In his view, the three letter agencies hold tremendous (unchecked) power and we should all submit to them.

    Before anyone talks about how encryption is only used by criminals, paedophiles, and so forth, please remember this debate was over long ago in 1994, but the powers at be keep wanting the people to surrender their privacy: 

    http://www.businessinsider.com/phil-zimmermann-pgp-essay-2016-2

    There is a saying, “a policeman’s job is easy only in a police state.” 
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  • Reply 8 of 42
    lkrupp said:
    I agree with Mr. Gates. The strident caterwauling about privacy and government snooping by anonymous commenters on websites like this one is hilarious. If the FBI showed up at your doorstep you’d piss your pants and cry like a baby. You most certainly would not meet them at the door with your gun. If you pull on the dragon’s tail once to often you’re going to get burned. It is entirely possible that democratic governments will legislate access to encrypted data at some point. Better to be calm and quiet about it while demanding your privacy than to start a confrontation. Face it, people no longer control their governments, democratic or otherwise.
    Sorry but that’s crazy. The US government works for its citizens, not the other way around. Our constitution merely recognizes our inalienable rights, it doesn’t bestow them upon us. 

    Privacy is a protected right that cannot be taken away just to make the jobs of government workers easier. 
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  • Reply 9 of 42
    lkrupplkrupp Posts: 10,557member
    lkrupp said:
    I agree with Mr. Gates. The strident caterwauling about privacy and government snooping by anonymous commenters on websites like this one is hilarious. If the FBI showed up at your doorstep you’d piss your pants and cry like a baby. You most certainly would not meet them at the door with your gun. If you pull on the dragon’s tail once to often you’re going to get burned. It is entirely possible that democratic governments will legislate access to encrypted data at some point. Better to be calm and quiet about it while demanding your privacy than to start a confrontation. Face it, people no longer control their governments, democratic or otherwise.
    Sorry but that’s crazy. The US government works for its citizens, not the other way around. Our constitution merely recognizes our inalienable rights, it doesn’t bestow them upon us. 

    Privacy is a protected right that cannot be taken away just to make the jobs of government workers easier. 
    So what do you plan to do when the US government does do it and SCOTUS approves it? Hold up signs and march?
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  • Reply 10 of 42
    The direct quotes from Bill Gates don't support the headline or opening paragraph ("Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates has warned Apple and other tech companies that they need to exercise care when dealing with governments over important issues, such as the San Bernardino fight between Apple and the FBI over a locked iPhone, suggesting the firms may be inviting government intervention for overtly arrogant actions.")

    What Bill is saying is "tech companies shouldn't try to go against the wishes of government (in some cases), period."  He's not saying "because they might crush you like a bug" he saying "because that's their role as governments and who are you to contradict them."

    I would agree with the advice that AI attributes to Bill, but not the advice he actual gave.
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  • Reply 11 of 42
    thedbathedba Posts: 764member
    lkrupp said:
    I agree with Mr. Gates. The strident caterwauling about privacy and government snooping by anonymous commenters on websites like this one is hilarious. If the FBI showed up at your doorstep you’d piss your pants and cry like a baby. You most certainly would not meet them at the door with your gun. If you pull on the dragon’s tail once to often you’re going to get burned. It is entirely possible that democratic governments will legislate access to encrypted data at some point. Better to be calm and quiet about it while demanding your privacy than to start a confrontation. Face it, people no longer control their governments, democratic or otherwise.
    Who's talking about confrontation?
    The only thing that AI posters agree on is that end to end encryption of services like iMessage are necessary to prevent not just government but anybody who'd have an interest in getting hold of your data. It comes down to everyone's right to privacy. 
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  • Reply 12 of 42
    lkrupp said:
    I agree with Mr. Gates. The strident caterwauling about privacy and government snooping by anonymous commenters on websites like this one is hilarious. If the FBI showed up at your doorstep you’d piss your pants and cry like a baby. You most certainly would not meet them at the door with your gun. If you pull on the dragon’s tail once to often you’re going to get burned. It is entirely possible that democratic governments will legislate access to encrypted data at some point. Better to be calm and quiet about it while demanding your privacy than to start a confrontation. Face it, people no longer control their governments, democratic or otherwise.
    Enjoy your ride from the back of the bus, Ms. Parks.
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  • Reply 13 of 42
    Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates has warned Apple and other tech companies that they need to exercise care when dealing with governments over important issues, such as the San Bernardino fight between Apple and the FBI over a locked iPhone, suggesting the firms may be inviting intervention for overtly arrogant actions...

    Doing the right thing for the right reason, regardless of how unpopular it is, is not arrogant. Talking to the press and performing libel against someone who is doing what is just, I think, is the very arrogant. 

    As part of the same interview, Bill Gates also mused on how the progress of technology is empowering smaller groups of people to cause harm to others. Suggesting the potential for such groups to gain access to nuclear weapons and to cause biological terror and cyber attacks, Gates notes it is a good thing for children to access genetic technology in a laboratory, "unless a few people decide to make human-transmissible smallpox and spread that into the world."

    Nice of him to talk about the imagined harm - and conveniently forgetting to mention all the real harm that he did against the American populace. Forgetting the monopoly abuse are we? The strategic embrace-and-extinguish business practice of acquiring of competitors and shutting them down? Spreading all that FUD? 

    Do you think donating to a charity undoes all that harm? The mafia probably donate to charities too. 
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  • Reply 14 of 42
    This is rich, coming from the guy that violated as many government anti-trust laws while he was running Microsoft. Without doing that, they would be a shell of where they are today.
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  • Reply 15 of 42
    hexclockhexclock Posts: 1,258member
    That man and his poorly designed operating systems have been responsible for more stress and financial loss than anything else in modern history.
    He should stick to eradicating the mosquito, as he is so familiar with bugs. 
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  • Reply 16 of 42
    No back doors.
    The ones exhibiting arrogance are law enforcement expecting us to buy a device they can hack at will.

    BTW, Bill, how is that Windows Phone coming along?
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  • Reply 17 of 42
    lkrupp said:
    Face it, people no longer control their governments, democratic or otherwise.
    That can be fixed, reference King John (1215) and Louis XVI (1792). They didn’t see it coming, either.
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  • Reply 18 of 42
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    More ass licking from ass licker in chief, someone who could not design a safe and secure system at any cost seemingly. Considering the crap that comes out of in, maybe by design.
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  • Reply 19 of 42
    foggyhillfoggyhill Posts: 4,767member
    The direct quotes from Bill Gates don't support the headline or opening paragraph ("Microsoft co-founder Bill Gates has warned Apple and other tech companies that they need to exercise care when dealing with governments over important issues, such as the San Bernardino fight between Apple and the FBI over a locked iPhone, suggesting the firms may be inviting government intervention for overtly arrogant actions.")

    What Bill is saying is "tech companies shouldn't try to go against the wishes of government (in some cases), period."  He's not saying "because they might crush you like a bug" he saying "because that's their role as governments and who are you to contradict them."

    I would agree with the advice that AI attributes to Bill, but not the advice he actual gave.
    I understood perfectly well what boot licker said: don't rock the boat, get with the program, fall in line, "will of the people", do it for "da children", blah, blah, blah, same suite of words all the time.

    "arrogance" is a fracking loaded term and that alone should not have been used, yet like some guy with low emotional intelligence, he used it.
    "arrogance" in what exactly? In serving the public better, understanding the technology better, than corporate tit suckers in power right now?
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  • Reply 20 of 42
    razorpitrazorpit Posts: 1,796member
    lkrupp said:
    lkrupp said:
    I agree with Mr. Gates. The strident caterwauling about privacy and government snooping by anonymous commenters on websites like this one is hilarious. If the FBI showed up at your doorstep you’d piss your pants and cry like a baby. You most certainly would not meet them at the door with your gun. If you pull on the dragon’s tail once to often you’re going to get burned. It is entirely possible that democratic governments will legislate access to encrypted data at some point. Better to be calm and quiet about it while demanding your privacy than to start a confrontation. Face it, people no longer control their governments, democratic or otherwise.
    Sorry but that’s crazy. The US government works for its citizens, not the other way around. Our constitution merely recognizes our inalienable rights, it doesn’t bestow them upon us. 

    Privacy is a protected right that cannot be taken away just to make the jobs of government workers easier. 
    So what do you plan to do when the US government does do it and SCOTUS approves it? Hold up signs and march?
    Sometimes you and your neighbors have to stand up for yourselves.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2018/01/08/us/bundy-ranch-standoff-case-charges-dismissed.html?
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