I'm on board w/ the larger iPhones. It has, after all, proven to be the true 'PC replacement' for most people!.
Why have a desktop, laptop or even an iPad when you can do 99% of what most people need on the iPhone?
Me? Still on a 2017 MacBook, SE, iPad Mini, ATV, AirPods/AppleWatch.
Could I get by with just a large iPhone, ATV, AirPods/AppleWatch? Hmmmmm.
Or may make the switch to SE2 and sell MacBook for an iPad Pro.
"Or may make the switch to SE2 and sell MacBook for an iPad Pro. "
Describes me perfectly. Though, I've never had a MB but a Windows machine. Next devices I'm saving up for => Apple Watch & HomePod (when Apple decides to sell it in my country)
If true then Apple’s line up is beginning to look crowded. I am guess that the 6 range will go leaving iPhone 7s, 8s and at lest two of the new ones replacing iPhone X. So where would that leave the SE? Will it be replaced by the other new iPhone ad a lower priced, smaller iPhone, or will the SE continue or be replaced by an SE 2?
Not sure what you mean by crowded. Based on the rumours so far, it looks like 2018 will have: - Updated SE - A new 6.1" LCD model. Only one variant is making the stories, so the thinking is that Apple will be making next model of the "8 Plus" - but will not have a new 4.7" model, likely due to the information that the 8+ was outselling the 8. - A new 5.8" iPhone X - A new 6.5" iPhone X Plus
A lineup based on these rumours would have the same number of phones as 2018. Updated SE, iPhone 7/7+, iPhone 8/8+, New 6.1" LCD, iPhone X(2), iPhone X(2) Plus.
IMO the lineup is a bit crowded, and in the mid-tier they could trim out one of the 7 models.
If Apple's intention is to move away from Touch ID, no new iPhone with Touch ID will be made. That means: no 8s/8+s. There'll be 2-3 versions of Face ID and 2-3 low-end versions of existing ones with Touch ID: X+, X, 6.1" version (iPhone 9 assumed) 8+ 8 SE2.
For the most part, I agree except I do still see the iPhone 7 sticking around. I see the following lineup:
The iPhone X suffered initial sales due to lack of FaceID components, so I'm assuming that the three top models will be the X upgrade and two new LCD models.
Older, "legacy" TouchID models, will not be redesigned for FaceID but will continue until they are retired out of the lineup. The three models at the high end will likely garner more than half of all iPhone unit sales this year.
The SE model is price sensitive anyway, so an SE 2, if it arrives, will not gain FaceID, ever. That doesn't imply that there won't be a new purpose built entry level model with FaceID in the future, but not anytime soon.
Exactly correct. There are two holes in this year’s iPhone lineup: a Plus model and an $899 price tier.
In in my opinion the current iPhone X will be carried through FY2019 at $899, and an iPhone X Plus will be introduced at $999.
Further two LCD models will be introduced as an iPhone 9 and iPhone 9 Plus, replacing the iPhone 8 as the flagship LCD iPhone. There won’t be and screen size changes in the iPhone 9.
Introducing an iPhone X Plus at $999, with the iPhone X lowered to $899 will result in higher unit sales and dramatically increase ASPs. The market will argue that, to be successful Apple had to lower the price of iPhone X, but they would be wrong. Apple did not introduce an iPhone X Plus because of Face ID component and OLED panel supply limitations. Those limitations will largely disappear in time to produce FY2019s models.
Psychologically (aka perception) of the consumer will be that the iPhone X is lower in price (therefore more attractive/desirable), when in reality iPhone ASP is going to dramatically increase.
There is a “Supercycle”, we have entered it, and it’s impact will be visible I n FY2019. I expect that cycle to last through FY2021/FY2022 as lower cost LCD iPhones are flushed out of the iPhone lineup.
Ok, this is a fun guessing game
Here is my prediction for the 2018 lineup starting prices (most likely 64GB model)
(New/Updated): iPhone X Plus (Largest) - $1099$999 iPhone X (with A12 chip) - $999$849-$899 iPhone 9 (6.1" LCD version of X) - $799 iPhone SE2 - $399 - $499
Price Drop: iPhone 8 Plus - $699 iPhone 8 - $599 iPhone 7 Plus - $549 iPhone 7 - $449
I still think Apple won't refresh the iPhone X but keeps selling it with discount. The phone is still perfect on its own. So, my predictions were added to yours.
If Apple doesn't update iPhone X with A12 chip, then I will be fully justified in sitting out this cycle. But for other people, it will be a really tough choice between the cheaper LCD version of X with A12 (iPhone 9) and the more expensive older OLED iPhone X with A11.
The iPhone X suffered initial sales due to lack of FaceID components, so I'm assuming that the three top models will be the X upgrade and two new LCD models.
Older, "legacy" TouchID models, will not be redesigned for FaceID but will continue until they are retired out of the lineup. The three models at the high end will likely garner more than half of all iPhone unit sales this year.
The SE model is price sensitive anyway, so an SE 2, if it arrives, will not gain FaceID, ever. That doesn't imply that there won't be a new purpose built entry level model with FaceID in the future, but not anytime soon.
Exactly correct. There are two holes in this year’s iPhone lineup: a Plus model and an $899 price tier.
In in my opinion the current iPhone X will be carried through FY2019 at $899, and an iPhone X Plus will be introduced at $999.
Further two LCD models will be introduced as an iPhone 9 and iPhone 9 Plus, replacing the iPhone 8 as the flagship LCD iPhone. There won’t be and screen size changes in the iPhone 9.
Introducing an iPhone X Plus at $999, with the iPhone X lowered to $899 will result in higher unit sales and dramatically increase ASPs. The market will argue that, to be successful Apple had to lower the price of iPhone X, but they would be wrong. Apple did not introduce an iPhone X Plus because of Face ID component and OLED panel supply limitations. Those limitations will largely disappear in time to produce FY2019s models.
Psychologically (aka perception) of the consumer will be that the iPhone X is lower in price (therefore more attractive/desirable), when in reality iPhone ASP is going to dramatically increase.
There is a “Supercycle”, we have entered it, and it’s impact will be visible I n FY2019. I expect that cycle to last through FY2021/FY2022 as lower cost LCD iPhones are flushed out of the iPhone lineup.
Ok, this is a fun guessing game
Here is my prediction for the 2018 lineup starting prices (most likely 64GB model)
(New/Updated): iPhone X Plus (Largest) - $1099$999 iPhone X (with A12 chip) - $999$849-$899 iPhone 9 (6.1" LCD version of X) - $799 iPhone SE2 - $399 - $499
Price Drop: iPhone 8 Plus - $699 iPhone 8 - $599 iPhone 7 Plus - $549 iPhone 7 - $449
I still think Apple won't refresh the iPhone X but keeps selling it with discount. The phone is still perfect on its own. So, my predictions were added to yours.
Which is essentially my prediction, except they might update the X and it be +$50 your prediction(but still a price drop overall).
Wait, so what will the naming convention be for the updated X? Can't imagine Apple would willingly call it the iPhone XS. "Introducing the new and improved, larger iPhone XS". haha
As for the SE, I had my 4S out this weekend tinkering with it as I have used it in the past as a home monitor. I had to update it to iOS9 since it was on iOS7, but that thing was still humming around on wifi. Thought it would be too small to be useful but I actually really liked it. Still has a good feel to it, nice heft. I think after toying with it I would be ok going back to a phone that size full time. My 6 I thought was the right size, but it's actually a pain to wear in my front jeans pocket sometimes because it binds up in my pocket and needs adjusting. So the 6 size is good, the wife's 6+ is too comically large, but the 4S size actually feels better now after going back to it.
The iPhone X suffered initial sales due to lack of FaceID components, so I'm assuming that the three top models will be the X upgrade and two new LCD models.
Older, "legacy" TouchID models, will not be redesigned for FaceID but will continue until they are retired out of the lineup. The three models at the high end will likely garner more than half of all iPhone unit sales this year.
The SE model is price sensitive anyway, so an SE 2, if it arrives, will not gain FaceID, ever. That doesn't imply that there won't be a new purpose built entry level model with FaceID in the future, but not anytime soon.
Exactly correct. There are two holes in this year’s iPhone lineup: a Plus model and an $899 price tier.
In in my opinion the current iPhone X will be carried through FY2019 at $899, and an iPhone X Plus will be introduced at $999.
Further two LCD models will be introduced as an iPhone 9 and iPhone 9 Plus, replacing the iPhone 8 as the flagship LCD iPhone. There won’t be and screen size changes in the iPhone 9.
Introducing an iPhone X Plus at $999, with the iPhone X lowered to $899 will result in higher unit sales and dramatically increase ASPs. The market will argue that, to be successful Apple had to lower the price of iPhone X, but they would be wrong. Apple did not introduce an iPhone X Plus because of Face ID component and OLED panel supply limitations. Those limitations will largely disappear in time to produce FY2019s models.
Psychologically (aka perception) of the consumer will be that the iPhone X is lower in price (therefore more attractive/desirable), when in reality iPhone ASP is going to dramatically increase.
There is a “Supercycle”, we have entered it, and it’s impact will be visible I n FY2019. I expect that cycle to last through FY2021/FY2022 as lower cost LCD iPhones are flushed out of the iPhone lineup.
Ok, this is a fun guessing game
Here is my prediction for the 2018 lineup starting prices (most likely 64GB model)
(New/Updated): iPhone X Plus (Largest) - $1099$999 iPhone X (with A12 chip) - $999$849-$899 iPhone 9 (6.1" LCD version of X) - $799 iPhone SE2 - $399 - $499
Price Drop: iPhone 8 Plus - $699 iPhone 8 - $599 iPhone 7 Plus - $549 iPhone 7 - $449
I still think Apple won't refresh the iPhone X but keeps selling it with discount. The phone is still perfect on its own. So, my predictions were added to yours.
If Apple doesn't update iPhone X with A12 chip, then I will be fully justified in sitting out this cycle. But for other people, it will be a really tough choice between the cheaper LCD version of X with A12 (iPhone 9) and the more expensive older OLED iPhone X with A11.
I'm doubtful the LCD version of X gets the A12. My bet is it gets the A11.
The iPhone X suffered initial sales due to lack of FaceID components, so I'm assuming that the three top models will be the X upgrade and two new LCD models.
Older, "legacy" TouchID models, will not be redesigned for FaceID but will continue until they are retired out of the lineup. The three models at the high end will likely garner more than half of all iPhone unit sales this year.
The SE model is price sensitive anyway, so an SE 2, if it arrives, will not gain FaceID, ever. That doesn't imply that there won't be a new purpose built entry level model with FaceID in the future, but not anytime soon.
Exactly correct. There are two holes in this year’s iPhone lineup: a Plus model and an $899 price tier.
In in my opinion the current iPhone X will be carried through FY2019 at $899, and an iPhone X Plus will be introduced at $999.
Further two LCD models will be introduced as an iPhone 9 and iPhone 9 Plus, replacing the iPhone 8 as the flagship LCD iPhone. There won’t be and screen size changes in the iPhone 9.
Introducing an iPhone X Plus at $999, with the iPhone X lowered to $899 will result in higher unit sales and dramatically increase ASPs. The market will argue that, to be successful Apple had to lower the price of iPhone X, but they would be wrong. Apple did not introduce an iPhone X Plus because of Face ID component and OLED panel supply limitations. Those limitations will largely disappear in time to produce FY2019s models.
Psychologically (aka perception) of the consumer will be that the iPhone X is lower in price (therefore more attractive/desirable), when in reality iPhone ASP is going to dramatically increase.
There is a “Supercycle”, we have entered it, and it’s impact will be visible I n FY2019. I expect that cycle to last through FY2021/FY2022 as lower cost LCD iPhones are flushed out of the iPhone lineup.
Ok, this is a fun guessing game
Here is my prediction for the 2018 lineup starting prices (most likely 64GB model)
(New/Updated): iPhone X Plus (Largest) - $1099$999 iPhone X (with A12 chip) - $999$849-$899 iPhone 9 (6.1" LCD version of X) - $799 iPhone SE2 - $399 - $499
Price Drop: iPhone 8 Plus - $699 iPhone 8 - $599 iPhone 7 Plus - $549 iPhone 7 - $449
I still think Apple won't refresh the iPhone X but keeps selling it with discount. The phone is still perfect on its own. So, my predictions were added to yours.
If Apple doesn't update iPhone X with A12 chip, then I will be fully justified in sitting out this cycle. But for other people, it will be a really tough choice between the cheaper LCD version of X with A12 (iPhone 9) and the more expensive older OLED iPhone X with A11.
I'm doubtful the LCD version of X gets the A12. My bet is it gets the A11.
Hmmm. That will be unusual. Pretty much every new phone model released by Apple uses the newest chip. My prediction is this model will be called iPhone 9, first of its name, and therefore with A12
The iPhone X suffered initial sales due to lack of FaceID components, so I'm assuming that the three top models will be the X upgrade and two new LCD models.
Older, "legacy" TouchID models, will not be redesigned for FaceID but will continue until they are retired out of the lineup. The three models at the high end will likely garner more than half of all iPhone unit sales this year.
The SE model is price sensitive anyway, so an SE 2, if it arrives, will not gain FaceID, ever. That doesn't imply that there won't be a new purpose built entry level model with FaceID in the future, but not anytime soon.
Exactly correct. There are two holes in this year’s iPhone lineup: a Plus model and an $899 price tier.
In in my opinion the current iPhone X will be carried through FY2019 at $899, and an iPhone X Plus will be introduced at $999.
Further two LCD models will be introduced as an iPhone 9 and iPhone 9 Plus, replacing the iPhone 8 as the flagship LCD iPhone. There won’t be and screen size changes in the iPhone 9.
Introducing an iPhone X Plus at $999, with the iPhone X lowered to $899 will result in higher unit sales and dramatically increase ASPs. The market will argue that, to be successful Apple had to lower the price of iPhone X, but they would be wrong. Apple did not introduce an iPhone X Plus because of Face ID component and OLED panel supply limitations. Those limitations will largely disappear in time to produce FY2019s models.
Psychologically (aka perception) of the consumer will be that the iPhone X is lower in price (therefore more attractive/desirable), when in reality iPhone ASP is going to dramatically increase.
There is a “Supercycle”, we have entered it, and it’s impact will be visible I n FY2019. I expect that cycle to last through FY2021/FY2022 as lower cost LCD iPhones are flushed out of the iPhone lineup.
Ok, this is a fun guessing game
Here is my prediction for the 2018 lineup starting prices (most likely 64GB model)
(New/Updated): iPhone X Plus (Largest) - $1099$999 iPhone X (with A12 chip) - $999$849-$899 iPhone 9 (6.1" LCD version of X) - $799 iPhone SE2 - $399 - $499
Price Drop: iPhone 8 Plus - $699 iPhone 8 - $599 iPhone 7 Plus - $549 iPhone 7 - $449
I still think Apple won't refresh the iPhone X but keeps selling it with discount. The phone is still perfect on its own. So, my predictions were added to yours.
If Apple doesn't update iPhone X with A12 chip, then I will be fully justified in sitting out this cycle. But for other people, it will be a really tough choice between the cheaper LCD version of X with A12 (iPhone 9) and the more expensive older OLED iPhone X with A11.
I'm doubtful the LCD version of X gets the A12. My bet is it gets the A11.
Hmmm. That will be unusual. Pretty much every new phone model released by Apple uses the newest chip. My prediction is this model will be called iPhone 9, first of its name, and therefore with A12
If that's the case, then why would an average user buy an iPhone X, just for the OLED screen? I wouldn't.
How do people put those big phones in their pockets? It seems like there getting to big to fit in the pant pockets. I'm more of a small phone kinda guy so I like the iPhone se. (plus I like the lower price)
... So where would that leave the SE? Will it be replaced by the other new iPhone ad a lower priced, smaller iPhone, or will the SE continue or be replaced by an SE 2?
I predicted last year that the SE will be the iPod Touch of the iPhones, that is, no update at all this year, and updated in 2019 with an A12 and 2nd gen TouchID but otherwise no change. And I'm sticking with that.
... So where would that leave the SE? Will it be replaced by the other new iPhone ad a lower priced, smaller iPhone, or will the SE continue or be replaced by an SE 2?
I predicted last year that the SE will be the iPod Touch of the iPhones, that is, no update at all this year, and updated in 2019 with an A12 and 2nd gen TouchID but otherwise no change. And I'm sticking with that.
Why not the current generation 3D touch from 7S and 8 iPhone models?
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Describes me perfectly. Though, I've never had a MB but a Windows machine. Next devices I'm saving up for => Apple Watch & HomePod (when Apple decides to sell it in my country)
As for the SE, I had my 4S out this weekend tinkering with it as I have used it in the past as a home monitor. I had to update it to iOS9 since it was on iOS7, but that thing was still humming around on wifi. Thought it would be too small to be useful but I actually really liked it. Still has a good feel to it, nice heft. I think after toying with it I would be ok going back to a phone that size full time. My 6 I thought was the right size, but it's actually a pain to wear in my front jeans pocket sometimes because it binds up in my pocket and needs adjusting. So the 6 size is good, the wife's 6+ is too comically large, but the 4S size actually feels better now after going back to it.
My prediction is this model will be called iPhone 9, first of its name, and therefore with A12