Saudi Prince meets Tim Cook at Apple Park to talk app development, education

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  • Reply 21 of 38
    rogifan_newrogifan_new Posts: 4,297member
    nunzy said:
    irnchriz said:
     If they were in Saudi Arabia Tim’s neck would be on the chopping block for being homosexual.
      His job is to make money for Apple. I'm sure that he can put his personal feelings aside for the good of the stockholders.
    So if Apple’s environmental policies weren’t good for stockholders you’d say the company should put them aside? Btw, Tim Cook has never said what you just said.
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  • Reply 22 of 38
    jd_in_sbjd_in_sb Posts: 1,600member
    Hands on the table on the Saudi side, hands off the table on the Apple side. Not sure why that is. 
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  • Reply 23 of 38
    irelandireland Posts: 17,801member
    jd_in_sb said:
    Hands on the table on the Saudi side, hands off the table on the Apple side. Not sure why that is. 
    This isn't a keynote invite image ;-)
    Soli
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  • Reply 24 of 38
    SpamSandwichspamsandwich Posts: 33,407member
    jd_in_sb said:
    Hands on the table on the Saudi side, hands off the table on the Apple side. Not sure why that is. 
    Apple wasn’t told there would be a hands on demonstration.
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  • Reply 25 of 38
    irelandireland Posts: 17,801member
    jd_in_sb said:
    Hands on the table on the Saudi side, hands off the table on the Apple side. Not sure why that is. 
    Apple wasn’t told there would be a hands on demonstration.
    Yes the left is the hands on area.

    Incidentally, Ron Paul is looking well on the right.
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  • Reply 26 of 38
    SpamSandwichspamsandwich Posts: 33,407member
    ireland said:
    jd_in_sb said:
    Hands on the table on the Saudi side, hands off the table on the Apple side. Not sure why that is. 
    Apple wasn’t told there would be a hands on demonstration.
    Yes the left is the hands on area.

    Incidentally, Ron Paul is looking well on the right.
    But does the left hand know what the right is doing?
    ireland
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  • Reply 27 of 38
    irelandireland Posts: 17,801member
    ireland said:
    jd_in_sb said:
    Hands on the table on the Saudi side, hands off the table on the Apple side. Not sure why that is. 
    Apple wasn’t told there would be a hands on demonstration.
    Yes the left is the hands on area.

    Incidentally, Ron Paul is looking well on the right.
    But does the left hand know what the right is doing?
    One pokes; other strokes.
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  • Reply 28 of 38
    Any one notice how there are no women on the side of the prince.
    And? You’d prefer he have his harem with him?
    When they talk about education opptunities they really mean ‘MALE educational oppunities’ Women there don’t get ‘educated’
    So… do something about it?

    Equality is a false god, by the way.
    It is all about the environment. Thats why. Put any intelligent Arab to a more supporting and free environment you can have Steve Jobs. But if you put the same guy in Syria or in Turkey, you will have, well, a guy. Just a guy. Not Steve jobs. So, its about the environment not the brillant individuals.
    No, sorry, the “blank slate” bullshit that communists try to push was disproven about a century ago. People are not, and do not see themselves as, “interchangeable parts.“
    Yes, the people are not "tabula rasa", i agree; yet the environment is a key factor to flourish skills and qualities, even "perception" of the environment effects biology. I am sure you are well read but please check or reember Malcolm Gladwells "Outliers" Remember the lawyer and his son. Thanks.
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  • Reply 29 of 38
    Any one notice how there are no women on the side of the prince. Those sort of countries think men are the all in and end all. When they talk about education opptunities they really mean ‘MALE educational oppunities’ Women there don’t get ‘educated’
    You know that of the 11 Apple SVPs and CxOs, only two are women. And all of them are white, even the foreigners.
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  • Reply 30 of 38
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,730member
    sirozha said:
    ireland said:
    jkichline said:
    How refreshing to see a politician looking ahead to investing education, job creation, and international trade.
    Politicians, generally speaking, are elected.  Last I checked there are no elections in Saudi Arabia and the Prince is in power because of his bloodline.
    Leaders.
    MBS is not in power yet. He is a hope of many for a change in Saudi Arabia when he ascends the throne.

    Saudi royals have no choice, as the kingdom can't exist on oil exports alone. Their coffers are running out of cash due to a low price on oil and due to the energy independence that the US has achieved in recent years. The Saudi royal family doesn't want to have an Arab Spring in their kingdom. 

    The reason that Sergey Brin met with him is to have a leverage vis-a-vis more favorable attitude toward Jews by the Saudi royal family. Tim met with him for a similar reason but vis-vis homosexuals.
    He was meeting with Google in several areas or interest apparently, in addition to signing a Cloud-computing business contract with them during the visit. The most important set of the Saudi Prince meetings IMHO took place with Peter Thiel and entailed official visits to several companies he controls and/or has significant investments in, reportedly a fairly extensive and lengthy meeting schedule. The presumption is Thiel is working on bringing in Saudi money for his investment companies and other projects and with his high-level connections perhaps not surprising.
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  • Reply 31 of 38
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    Soli said:
    jkichline said:
    How refreshing to see a politician looking ahead to investing education, job creation, and international trade.
    Any one notice how there are no women on the side of the prince. Those sort of countries think men are the all in and end all. When they talk about education opptunities they really mean ‘MALE educational oppunities’ Women there don’t get ‘educated’
    You need better news sources. Mohammad bin Salman is a beacon of social reform in SA.

    I find amusing when you rely on wikipedia. They edited so much and so wrong (including what I know for fact either from my life expereience or from family expereoiience and knowledge) that it becomes not so credible source anymore. It is especailly when it relates to politics and demonstrating who is who. I am not giving obvious examples because this thread would get locked for discussion. I would not count on wikipedia when it states someone is reformator or not even if thuis might be true.
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  • Reply 32 of 38
    karmadavekarmadave Posts: 369member
    I read this article last night. It provides what I believe to be an honest assessment of the Crown Prince...

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/09/a-saudi-princes-quest-to-remake-the-middle-east
    edited April 2018
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  • Reply 33 of 38
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    Soli said:
    I'm willing to bet the schools in Saudi Arabia won't be choosing Chromebooks for student education. It will be iPads and MacBooks for them. I'm sure those schools can afford them and will see the value in buying Apple products. Apple will need to find some school districts around the world who can afford to go the Apple route. There might not be many who'll go with Apple but even a few is better than none. Saudi Arabia seems to be a very forward-thinking country, so I'm sure they'll spare no expense to educate their children.
    Is affordability really an issue? The US can afford to give offer children good educations and yet we still choose hinder the education of our most prized resource at every turn. I think it comes down to having leaders that see the longterm good of educating our youth even when they will likely never get a direct return on their efforts during their tenure as policy makers and community leaders.
    You are making assumptions here that the evidence doesn't support.  Beyond that education in America varies widely per state.  As such individuals in those states get what they demand.   

    The bigger issue is that far too many people damn our educational system because a program important to them is not available at their school.  What is obvious here is that special interests can never be fully satisfied in a public school.  Nor should special interests be catered too, that is why colleges an universities exist.   K -12 is all about the basics 
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  • Reply 34 of 38
    Solisoli Posts: 10,038member
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    Soli said:
    jkichline said:
    How refreshing to see a politician looking ahead to investing education, job creation, and international trade.
    Any one notice how there are no women on the side of the prince. Those sort of countries think men are the all in and end all. When they talk about education opptunities they really mean ‘MALE educational oppunities’ Women there don’t get ‘educated’
    You need better news sources. Mohammad bin Salman is a beacon of social reform in SA.

    I find amusing when you rely on wikipedia. They edited so much and so wrong (including what I know for fact either from my life expereience or from family expereoiience and knowledge) that it becomes not so credible source anymore. It is especailly when it relates to politics and demonstrating who is who. I am not giving obvious examples because this thread would get locked for discussion. I would not count on wikipedia when it states someone is reformator or not even if thuis might be true.
    There are 147 citations, including a 3 part section on controversies. It's not a resume from his PrincedIn account.
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  • Reply 35 of 38
    Solisoli Posts: 10,038member

    wizard69 said:
    Soli said:
    I'm willing to bet the schools in Saudi Arabia won't be choosing Chromebooks for student education. It will be iPads and MacBooks for them. I'm sure those schools can afford them and will see the value in buying Apple products. Apple will need to find some school districts around the world who can afford to go the Apple route. There might not be many who'll go with Apple but even a few is better than none. Saudi Arabia seems to be a very forward-thinking country, so I'm sure they'll spare no expense to educate their children.
    Is affordability really an issue? The US can afford to give offer children good educations and yet we still choose hinder the education of our most prized resource at every turn. I think it comes down to having leaders that see the longterm good of educating our youth even when they will likely never get a direct return on their efforts during their tenure as policy makers and community leaders.
    You are making assumptions here that the evidence doesn't support.  Beyond that education in America varies widely per state.  As such individuals in those states get what they demand.   

    The bigger issue is that far too many people damn our educational system because a program important to them is not available at their school.  What is obvious here is that special interests can never be fully satisfied in a public school.  Nor should special interests be catered too, that is why colleges an universities exist.   K -12 is all about the basics 
    What assumption did I make? What did I state as fact that isn't factual. I asked a single question, then I made an statement which is easily supported (below) and then I concluded with an opinion, which you'll note started with "I think" instead of your option with makes an absolute claim of saying "The bigger issue is."


    Now, you can be of the opinion that we need even more money for defense and that education is good enough, but you can't say that we don't have the funds for education, which is different from many actually poor countries that couldn't afford it if they wanted to.
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  • Reply 36 of 38
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    karmadave said:
    I read this article last night. It provides what I believe to be an honest assessment of the Crown Prince...

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2018/04/09/a-saudi-princes-quest-to-remake-the-middle-east
    One thing about a Kingdom that matches family life is that people learn from their fathers and that includes their accomplishments and mistakes.  Who here hasnt committed themselves to never doing something their father did.   I can easily imagine many people throughout the middle east wanting change just as i can imagine many holding onto the old ways.   A good leader will find a way forward that balances those competing factors.  
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  • Reply 37 of 38
    asdasdasdasd Posts: 5,686member
    Some crazy fetishing of one of the most backward regimes in the world here. 
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