Head-to-head: Apple News vs. Google News on iOS

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  • Reply 21 of 38
    robbyxrobbyx Posts: 372member
    This one statement sums up why I wouldn't want to use the Google app:

    "Comparatively, Google uses the data it already has on you to populate your news feed as soon as you launch the app and sign in. Actions that can affect these predictions include searching topics in the Google search bar or reading stories in Chrome."

    Some may think this is a convenience, but I don't. Like one of the other readers posted before me, this is a "little creepy". Google released this app only to collect more data. They're not interested in providing a service. At least Apple is up front. They just want to sell us products and services. Apple makes money off of selling their products to consumers and businesses, not by selling my information.
    Google doesn’t sell your information. I swear, people just parrot nonsense on this topic.  They don’t sell details about you to third parties. They use the data they collect to show you relevant ads and advertisers pay them to do that.  That’s completely different than selling your data to a third party. 

    Plus, unlike Apple, Google is very upfront about what they collect and how it’s used. They also give you full control over your data, allowing you to edit collected data, download it, etc.  Does Apple do that?

    Read and learn:

    https://privacy.google.com/your-data.html
    cropr
  • Reply 22 of 38
    This one statement sums up why I wouldn't want to use the Google app:

    "Comparatively, Google uses the data it already has on you to populate your news feed as soon as you launch the app and sign in. Actions that can affect these predictions include searching topics in the Google search bar or reading stories in Chrome."
    Same here. I don't use Chrome and avoid Google as much as possible. My searches are done through DDG.

    Using what I have searched for as things I am interested in has many limitations. I might search for something and find the answer. Job done. I most cases, I won't go back to that 'thing' ever again so I don't really want to be reminded of that search in the news feeds that I recieve.
    Google already knows far too much about each and every one of us. IMHO, we should all avoid using Google from now on. Then the data that they have on us becomes stale and not that sellable to advertisers.

    As for Apple-News. I tried it once and it was rather a faff to use. I have a couple of reputable sites that I use for news so I may well pass on it for the forseeable future.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 23 of 38
    SoliSoli Posts: 8,380member
    robbyx said:
    Soli said:
    I feel like Google is far too profitable to have such bad marketing, by which I mean all their name changes. Are their first run name just trial versions until they work out the inks and then go with the name that most closely resembles Apple's naming convention?
    What are you talking about?  Google News has existed since 2002, long before the iPhone.

    news.google.com
    Did you even read the article? Do you even know that this is about their iOS app? It's only now called Google News. The first line of the article states, "Google News has replaced Google Play Newsstand on iOS," and this is common pattern with Alphabet. Google to Alphabet; Android Market to Google Play; Pay with Google, Android Pay and Google Wallet to Google Pay; Google Apps for Work and Google Apps for Your Domain to G Suite; Wear OS by Google and Android Wear to Wear OS. I'm sure there are others. That's a lot of changes in a short amount of time.

    And, not, Apple Computers changing to Apple isn't the same as Google changing to Alphabet. The closest Apple has had is their lack of an OS name for iOS at the start and the floundering that resulted. They called it firmware while users quickly called it iOS. A year or two later they were using "OS X for iPhone" and possibly "iPhone OS" before settling on iOS.. Apple also has changed macOS from Mac OS X, but if you can't see how that was to put it inline with all their OS X-based OSes and don't see how the timeframes and reasons were very different than what Google is doing then there's nothing I can say to make you see what should be obvious to you.
    edited May 17 watto_cobra
  • Reply 24 of 38
    robbyxrobbyx Posts: 372member
    Soli said:
    robbyx said:
    Soli said:
    I feel like Google is far too profitable to have such bad marketing, by which I mean all their name changes. Are their first run name just trial versions until they work out the inks and then go with the name that most closely resembles Apple's naming convention?
    What are you talking about?  Google News has existed since 2002, long before the iPhone.

    news.google.com
    Did you even read the article? Do you even know that this is about their iOS app? It's only now called Google News. The first line of the article states, "Google News has replaced Google Play Newsstand on iOS," and this is common pattern with Alphabet. Google to Alphabet; Android Market to Google Play; Pay with Google, Android Pay and Google Wallet to Google Pay; Google Apps for Work and Google Apps for Your Domain to G Suite; Wear OS by Google and Android Wear to Wear OS. I'm sure there are others. That's a lot of changes in a short amount of time.

    And, not, Apple Computers changing to Apple isn't the same as Google changing to Alphabet. The closest Apple has had is their lack of an OS name for iOS at the start and the floundering that resulted. They called it firmware while users quickly called it iOS. A year or two later they were using "OS X for iPhone" and possibly "iPhone OS" before settling on iOS.. Apple also has changed macOS from Mac OS X, but if you can't see how that was to put it inline with all their OS X-based OSes and don't see how the timeframes and reasons were very different than what Google is doing then there's nothing I can say to make you see what should be obvious to you.
    For someone who hates Google, you sure know a lot about them!  Obsessed much?

    Google’s new service has been called Google News since 2002. Who cares what they called their app or what Apple called their app or how many times either one has changed a name.  Are you really that petty?

    Oh, and MacOS used to be called System #, ie: System 7. How dare they change the name to MacOS!  Or macOS!  Or OS X!  Or whatever!

    Is that OBVIOUS enough to you???  Sheesh. 
    edited May 17
  • Reply 25 of 38
    SoliSoli Posts: 8,380member
    robbyx said:
    Soli said:
    robbyx said:
    Soli said:
    I feel like Google is far too profitable to have such bad marketing, by which I mean all their name changes. Are their first run name just trial versions until they work out the inks and then go with the name that most closely resembles Apple's naming convention?
    What are you talking about?  Google News has existed since 2002, long before the iPhone.

    news.google.com
    Did you even read the article? Do you even know that this is about their iOS app? It's only now called Google News. The first line of the article states, "Google News has replaced Google Play Newsstand on iOS," and this is common pattern with Alphabet. Google to Alphabet; Android Market to Google Play; Pay with Google, Android Pay and Google Wallet to Google Pay; Google Apps for Work and Google Apps for Your Domain to G Suite; Wear OS by Google and Android Wear to Wear OS. I'm sure there are others. That's a lot of changes in a short amount of time.

    And, not, Apple Computers changing to Apple isn't the same as Google changing to Alphabet. The closest Apple has had is their lack of an OS name for iOS at the start and the floundering that resulted. They called it firmware while users quickly called it iOS. A year or two later they were using "OS X for iPhone" and possibly "iPhone OS" before settling on iOS.. Apple also has changed macOS from Mac OS X, but if you can't see how that was to put it inline with all their OS X-based OSes and don't see how the timeframes and reasons were very different than what Google is doing then there's nothing I can say to make you see what should be obvious to you.
    For someone who hates Google, you sure know a lot about them!  Obsessed much?

    Google’s new service has been called Google News since 2002. Who cares what they called their app or what Apple called their app or how many times either one has changed a name.  Are you really that petty?

    Oh, and MacOS used to be called System #, ie: System 7. How dare they change the name to MacOS!  Or macOS!  Or OS X!  Or whatever!

    Is that OBVIOUS enough to you???  Sheesh. 
    1) Oh, now I hate Google?

    2) Yes. I know a lot about a lot of companies, especially the ones whose products I use.

    3) Apparently Google cares since they decided to go with a brand new name for iOS and then decided to change it.

    4) So you reiterate what I said about macOS, but add in a ridiculous comparison to the 'X' when it's referring to the 10th version of the OS (Hint: X' is the Roman numeral for '10)'). I didn't bring up Android's dumb names for Android versions because that's irrelevant.

    5) If you wanted to try to add a relevant example you could noted that it was System Software (version), and then Mac OS (version) for the classic macOS versions, but that's still nearly a decade and a half before that simple change. Do you want to know claim that Apple is all over the place because they moved from Arabic numerals to a Roman numeral for Mac OS X?
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 26 of 38
    techrulestechrules Posts: 52unconfirmed, member
    Google gets paid either way so not sure if it matters. But having used both can not see how you would ever think Apple news is better. The key difference is the full coverage button that Google offers. I will read some article and make me curious to learn a lot more and that is what the full coverage allows. "Apple News Now Allows All Publishers to Serve Ads via Google DoubleClick"
  • Reply 27 of 38
    bestkeptsecretbestkeptsecret Posts: 2,989member
    Soli said:
    robbyx said:
    Soli said:
    robbyx said:
    Soli said:
    I feel like Google is far too profitable to have such bad marketing, by which I mean all their name changes. Are their first run name just trial versions until they work out the inks and then go with the name that most closely resembles Apple's naming convention?
    What are you talking about?  Google News has existed since 2002, long before the iPhone.

    news.google.com
    Did you even read the article? Do you even know that this is about their iOS app? It's only now called Google News. The first line of the article states, "Google News has replaced Google Play Newsstand on iOS," and this is common pattern with Alphabet. Google to Alphabet; Android Market to Google Play; Pay with Google, Android Pay and Google Wallet to Google Pay; Google Apps for Work and Google Apps for Your Domain to G Suite; Wear OS by Google and Android Wear to Wear OS. I'm sure there are others. That's a lot of changes in a short amount of time.

    And, not, Apple Computers changing to Apple isn't the same as Google changing to Alphabet. The closest Apple has had is their lack of an OS name for iOS at the start and the floundering that resulted. They called it firmware while users quickly called it iOS. A year or two later they were using "OS X for iPhone" and possibly "iPhone OS" before settling on iOS.. Apple also has changed macOS from Mac OS X, but if you can't see how that was to put it inline with all their OS X-based OSes and don't see how the timeframes and reasons were very different than what Google is doing then there's nothing I can say to make you see what should be obvious to you.
    For someone who hates Google, you sure know a lot about them!  Obsessed much?

    Google’s new service has been called Google News since 2002. Who cares what they called their app or what Apple called their app or how many times either one has changed a name.  Are you really that petty?

    Oh, and MacOS used to be called System #, ie: System 7. How dare they change the name to MacOS!  Or macOS!  Or OS X!  Or whatever!

    Is that OBVIOUS enough to you???  Sheesh. 
    1) Oh, now I hate Google?

    2) Yes. I know a lot about a lot of companies, especially the ones whose products I use.

    3) Apparently Google cares since they decided to go with a brand new name for iOS and then decided to change it.

    4) So you reiterate what I said about macOS, but add in a ridiculous comparison to the 'X' when it's referring to the 10th version of the OS (Hint: X' is the Roman numeral for '10)'). I didn't bring up Android's dumb names for Android versions because that's irrelevant.

    5) If you wanted to try to add a relevant example you could noted that it was System Software (version), and then Mac OS (version) for the classic macOS versions, but that's still nearly a decade and a half before that simple change. Do you want to know claim that Apple is all over the place because they moved from Arabic numerals to a Roman numeral for Mac OS X?

    He's got you pegged as something and he's clutching at straws to justify it.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 28 of 38
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 19,319member
    paxman said:
    I really don't want a news app to know very much about me at all. I like that I can pick news sources and themes, but for an app to select what I 'should be' interested in based on my profile is exactly what I do NOT want. The last thing I want when reading the news is a bunch of articles and editorials that have been chosen because I am likely to agree with them. If I am in favour of a party, or a politician, why would I only want to read stories that support my views? I am not going to select (in my case) Fox as a news source, but I still like to be challenged. 
    If you had read the article you would have learned the Google News app is designed to avoid that, sourcing news articles that come from different viewpoints and offering differing opinions pieces. That sounds just what you're looking for.

    While the Google News app may surface articles related to topics you are have a professed interest in the articles themselves might challenge your current beliefs, or add structure and background to the stories you are getting from your traditional news sources. Maybe you like Salon, but Google is going to offer you the Fox view too. 
    edited May 17
  • Reply 29 of 38
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 19,319member
    Soli said:
    I feel like Google is far too profitable to have such bad marketing, by which I mean all their name changes. Are their first run name just trial versions until they work out the inks and then go with the name that most closely resembles Apple's naming convention?
    I agree, Google marketing is horrible! If they had half the marketing chops of Apple's machine ...
    Hard to believe that a company that excels in ad placement can be so bad at tooting their own horn. How much more successful could their hardware efforts be if they made marketing a priority rather than an afterthought?
  • Reply 30 of 38
    edrededred Posts: 48member
    I went with Google News because it is available in my country. Apple News is not.
    iSalmanPak
  • Reply 31 of 38
    This one statement sums up why I wouldn't want to use the Google app:

    "Comparatively, Google uses the data it already has on you to populate your news feed as soon as you launch the app and sign in. Actions that can affect these predictions include searching topics in the Google search bar or reading stories in Chrome."
    Same here. I don't use Chrome and avoid Google as much as possible. My searches are done through DDG.

    Using what I have searched for as things I am interested in has many limitations. I might search for something and find the answer. Job done. I most cases, I won't go back to that 'thing' ever again so I don't really want to be reminded of that search in the news feeds that I recieve.
    Google already knows far too much about each and every one of us. IMHO, we should all avoid using Google from now on. Then the data that they have on us becomes stale and not that sellable to advertisers.

    As for Apple-News. I tried it once and it was rather a faff to use. I have a couple of reputable sites that I use for news so I may well pass on it for the forseeable future.
    I'm pretty sure you can just delete the data that Google has on you rather than waiting for it to go stale. I'm always logged in to my google account so I can manage my data but I'm not sure what happens for non-logged-in users. With GDPR coming in this month in Europe, I believe that companies tracking users by IP address will also have to comply by e.g. making PII available and removable. 

    Personally, I much prefer to see relevant ads and content. If I go to youtube without logging in, the suggested videos are horrendous bottom of the barrel stuff. On the sites that I've whitelisted in adblock, I see ads for products that I'm genuinely interested in. That's google doing something that benefits me - makes publishing free and reduces advertising waste.

    Each to their own though, I totally get why people prefer anonymity.
  • Reply 32 of 38
    SoliSoli Posts: 8,380member
    gatorguy said:
    Soli said:
    I feel like Google is far too profitable to have such bad marketing, by which I mean all their name changes. Are their first run name just trial versions until they work out the inks and then go with the name that most closely resembles Apple's naming convention?
    I agree, Google marketing is horrible! If they had half the marketing chops of Apple's machine ...
    Hard to believe that a company that excels in ad placement can be so bad at tooting their own horn. How much more successful could their hardware efforts be if they made marketing a priority rather than an afterthought?
    Here's one more for the list, but this should be changed. Rather, it never should've been named something so close to a porn website. Plus, calling it Premium is clear for English speakers.

  • Reply 33 of 38
    Mad HatterMad Hatter Posts: 1unconfirmed, member
    Google News is the only choice for expats at the moment.

    Apple does not allow access to the English language version of the News app in the Norwegian App Store. So unless one cheats the store, one does not have access to ones preferrences. Digital handcuffs?


  • Reply 34 of 38
    asciiascii Posts: 5,936member
    I'm not sure that I'd use a news app from either of those companies. Google has diversity as a value and Apple has privacy as a value but neither of them has expressed free speech as a value. e.g. On the Apple News app are their any negative stories about Apple?
  • Reply 35 of 38
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 19,319member
    60 Minutes should make for an interesting Monday. It will be interesting to see how that's reported on Google News and Apple News. 
  • Reply 36 of 38
    IreneWIreneW Posts: 112member
    gatorguy said:
    60 Minutes should make for an interesting Monday. It will be interesting to see how that's reported on Google News and Apple News. 
    What's on 60 minutes?
  • Reply 37 of 38
    SoliSoli Posts: 8,380member
    IreneW said:
    gatorguy said:
    60 Minutes should make for an interesting Monday. It will be interesting to see how that's reported on Google News and Apple News. 
    What's on 60 minutes?
    My guess is this...

    https://www.cbsnews.com/video/the-power-of-google/
  • Reply 38 of 38
    IreneWIreneW Posts: 112member
    Soli said:
    IreneW said:
    gatorguy said:
    60 Minutes should make for an interesting Monday. It will be interesting to see how that's reported on Google News and Apple News. 
    What's on 60 minutes?
    My guess is this...

    https://www.cbsnews.com/video/the-power-of-google/
    Ahh, ok. Thanks!
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