A dead meme. Huawei is more ‘genuine’ ! I guess more genuine in stealing designs.
You guess wrong then.
Huawei is ahead of Apple in many areas. I think we can agree on that even if you do it begrudgingly.
Design and brand perception are important factors and have an influence on sales. Just how much is the real question.
There are some people who rate design very high and wouldn't be seen dead with something that wasn't 'in'. Some see the company itself as a status symbol. Of course, there are others who simply seek value for money on a decent handset. I'm basically in that last group but when you are operating in saturated markets it's wise to try and claw in users from all groups.
I have read about anti Apple sentiment in China flowing onto social networks as a result of the pressure applied to carriers and retailers to keep Huawei's effective presence in the US to virtually zero. I have no idea if it is actually true. I have read two accounts of Tim Cook actually asking for protection from Huawei in the US market at government level. Something I didn't give credence to. If there was an ounce of truth in that it would have been widely reported. However, following the protectionist moves by the US government it has been revealed (a couple of days ago) that Tim Cook and Donald Trump spoke specifically on the China situation (no doubt from an Apple perspective) during their private meeting. Last week we read about a decline of Apple in some of its core EU markets with Huawei showing very strong growth. On Tuesday, Huawei's Honor brand revealed that it's UK sales had increased 100% YoY for Q1. Yesterday, Canalys reported that Apple had fallen to 4th place in Spain (overtaken by Xiaomi) and that Huawei was within one percentage point of taking top spot from Samsung.
These are situations that have an influence on brand perception. Couple that with the fact that the P20 Pro is being hailed as the top smartphone bar none so far for 2018 and that perception could be reinforced and the better Huawei does away from home, the more pronounced that sensation is.
Just curious, where is the history if how these companies developed their technology prior to Apple's iPhone with its years of R&D and amazing paradigm shifting IP. Is it all a case of 'simultaneous invention' taking place across the globe or like Google, a case of jumping in once the genius is seen and ripping everything off? Perhaps they had a member of Apple's board in their pay too?
Perhaps we should be looking even deeper than that. It is widely suggested that Apple licences a huge amount of patents from Huawei. So when you talk of prior research development and investment, I hope you are taking that into account, because without paying Huawei for its patents, Apple might not even have a phone to call a phone.
You are correct and it's not only rumor, it's fact. Apple and Huawei did license a very significant number of each others patents in 2015. Proof comes from here (do your own search there if you want confirmation, it's a healthy exercise) http://cpquery.sipo.gov.cn/
From some of those who spent ( a whole lotta) time counting them it looks like Apple wanted a license to 769 Huawei patents and in return Apple gave them a license to 98 Apple patents. No word on the exact amount of money that exchanged hands for the licensing rights tho it was in Huawei's favor. Some have guessed $100's of millions paid out by Apple to use Huawei intellectual property while other very knowledgeable IP licensing experts have said not so fast, it could be much less depending on how it was structured.
There are Chinese media reports too that indicate last year Apple and Huawei reached an even more broad cross-licensing agreement, but I've not found acknowledgement from either of the parties so far.
I'm guessing that Huawei has a 5G IP stack that Apple wants, but I'm not sure what Huawei would want from Apple that Apple would want to bargain with.
The loser in this appears to be Qualcomm, at least on the surface.
If you follow the link you can get a taste of what patents are involved.
A dead meme. Huawei is more ‘genuine’ ! I guess more genuine in stealing designs.
You guess wrong then.
Huawei is ahead of Apple in many areas. I think we can agree on that even if you do it begrudgingly.
Design and brand perception are important factors and have an influence on sales. Just how much is the real question.
There are some people who rate design very high and wouldn't be seen dead with something that wasn't 'in'. Some see the company itself as a status symbol. Of course, there are others who simply seek value for money on a decent handset. I'm basically in that last group but when you are operating in saturated markets it's wise to try and claw in users from all groups.
I have read about anti Apple sentiment in China flowing onto social networks as a result of the pressure applied to carriers and retailers to keep Huawei's effective presence in the US to virtually zero. I have no idea if it is actually true. I have read two accounts of Tim Cook actually asking for protection from Huawei in the US market at government level. Something I didn't give credence to. If there was an ounce of truth in that it would have been widely reported. However, following the protectionist moves by the US government it has been revealed (a couple of days ago) that Tim Cook and Donald Trump spoke specifically on the China situation (no doubt from an Apple perspective) during their private meeting. Last week we read about a decline of Apple in some of its core EU markets with Huawei showing very strong growth. On Tuesday, Huawei's Honor brand revealed that it's UK sales had increased 100% YoY for Q1. Yesterday, Canalys reported that Apple had fallen to 4th place in Spain (overtaken by Xiaomi) and that Huawei was within one percentage point of taking top spot from Samsung.
These are situations that have an influence on brand perception. Couple that with the fact that the P20 Pro is being hailed as the top smartphone bar none so far for 2018 and that perception could be reinforced and the better Huawei does away from home, the more pronounced that sensation is.
Just curious, where is the history if how these companies developed their technology prior to Apple's iPhone with its years of R&D and amazing paradigm shifting IP. Is it all a case of 'simultaneous invention' taking place across the globe or like Google, a case of jumping in once the genius is seen and ripping everything off? Perhaps they had a member of Apple's board in their pay too?
Perhaps we should be looking even deeper than that. It is widely suggested that Apple licences a huge amount of patents from Huawei. So when you talk of prior research development and investment, I hope you are taking that into account, because without paying Huawei for its patents, Apple might not even have a phone to call a phone.
You are correct and it's not only rumor, it's fact. Apple and Huawei did license a very significant number of each others patents in 2015. Proof comes from here (do your own search there if you want confirmation, it's a healthy exercise) http://cpquery.sipo.gov.cn/
From some of those who spent ( a whole lotta) time counting them it looks like Apple wanted a license to 769 Huawei patents and in return Apple gave them a license to 98 Apple patents. No word on the exact amount of money that exchanged hands for the licensing rights tho it was in Huawei's favor. Some have guessed $100's of millions paid out by Apple to use Huawei intellectual property while other very knowledgeable IP licensing experts have said not so fast, it could be much less depending on how it was structured.
There are Chinese media reports too that indicate last year Apple and Huawei reached an even more broad cross-licensing agreement, but I've not found acknowledgement from either of the parties so far.
I'm guessing that Huawei has a 5G IP stack that Apple wants, but I'm not sure what Huawei would want from Apple that Apple would want to bargain with.
The loser in this appears to be Qualcomm, at least on the surface.
If you follow the link you can get a taste of what patents are involved.
Have we ever thought the US government might be blocking Huawei based on protectionism for Apple, they sure need that tax revenue to pay the debt mountain?
No. We never thought of it because that's bullshit assessment. Everyone knows China-backed companies are fucking spy-bots. You can put a gun in my face, and I still won't be buying any China brand phone.
Okay who is buying this, really Google, and Google does not have any real presents in China, and you have Nokia, yeah what have they done in a long time, from a consumer stand point. Can not speak about the other companies since they may be seen by Chinese as a good company.
Come on if you going to make something up try to make it somewhat believable. Even the crap analysis with their made up market share number at least try to high the faking everyone out.
Okay who is buying this, really Google, and Google does not have any real presents in China, and you have Nokia, yeah what have they done in a long time, from a consumer stand point. Can not speak about the other companies since they may be seen by Chinese as a good company.
Come on if you going to make something up try to make it somewhat believable. Even the crap analysis with their made up market share number at least try to high the faking everyone out.
I doubt anyone is making anything up.
It's a Chinese focussed survey. No doubt the same kind of survey in the US would not have Huawei above Apple. Likewise a survey in South Korea would not have Huawei above Samsung.
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Nice mention too of China's new Social Credits program. Most here have probably never heard of it, but I think it may well spread beyond China "some day". So does the Atlantic.
https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2018/02/chinas-dangerous-dream-of-urban-control/553097/
I'll watch, but Ill likely be dead of old age before it takes off in the U.S.
Come on if you going to make something up try to make it somewhat believable. Even the crap analysis with their made up market share number at least try to high the faking everyone out.
It's a Chinese focussed survey. No doubt the same kind of survey in the US would not have Huawei above Apple. Likewise a survey in South Korea would not have Huawei above Samsung.