Apple needs some skin in the software game or Adobe will take their products to android too. After the disappointing ‘me too’ MBP refresh they desperately need a point of difference.
I think what somebody needs to do (and I hope Affinity beats Adobe to the punch) is allow syncing content over iCloud live. IE if I do a pen stroke on my iPad, a second late it shows up on my Mac with the same file but opened at a different aspect ratio.
I realize that AstroPad already allows you to mirror your mac screen on your iPad. But this would allow you to use each interface that’s designed to be the best on the device and still use both for their strong suits.
The truth is that much of what you can do can be done on the iPad Pro 12.9”. A full version of Office is here too. There are good databases as well. Just about the only thing you can’t do yet is software development. At some point, we will see that too.
Who said you can't do software development on iPad? Take a look at Codea, Pythonista, and Dringend for on iPad software development. You could write an app using any of those apps on iPad that can be exported to XCode and then build as real app for iOS later. For server side or back-end development, my favorite app is Coda to edit and deploy my code on my servers. Using these apps, I could write my code anywhere anytime such as during a trip, on my bed, on the couch, etc. Something that can't be done using a laptop.
Many people have been writing some apps using iPad for some years. So, stop saying you can't do software development on iPad. You can do it today, if you want to!
Apple needs some skin in the software game or Adobe will take their products to android too. After the disappointing ‘me too’ MBP refresh they desperately need a point of difference.
Why would Adobe take their products to an inferior platform (Android) where...
- Most users don't spend money on Apps (a typical iOS user generates 4X the revenue of an Android user). - There's rampant piracy (invest in a high-end App so people can steal it). - There are no high-end Android tablets suitable for running something like Photoshop.
Find me the fastest, most powerful Android tablet currently on the market. Then compare that to any iPad.
Adobe doesn't really make major upgrades to Photoshop, Illustrator, or InDesign anymore. They seem to be a lot more interested in their 3D, video editing, and web development tools. I think that's the main reason companies like Affinity can make inroads in that area. Adobe seems to have moved on from the apps that used to be the main core of the Creative Suite.
Not true. With CC they don’t come out with a major upgrade every 18 months, as they used to do. Now, they update the apps with features and bug fixes every few weeks. The cumulative effect is a big upgrade over time.
Affinity Designer just came out for iPad and Affinity Photo is already there. At this point Adobe already lost their lead. I'm not gonna pay 50 bucks. a month to have Photoshop on my iPad when I was able to pay 20 bucks to have Affinity Photo for as long as I want.
That said I do admit that Photo could use some improvements. The Pencils should always be set to pressure for it's controller, and they need to improve their palm rejection.
Adobe charge $50 a month for the entire CC Suite, which is a heck of a lot of software. They charge $9.95 a month to subscribe the both Lightroom and Photoshop. That’s really not much.
i use Photo, but frankly, it leaves a lot to be desired. Lots of bugs, and a bad UI.
Apple needs some skin in the software game or Adobe will take their products to android too. After the disappointing ‘me too’ MBP refresh they desperately need a point of difference.
I don’t see how they could. The best Android tablet that I’m familiar with, and correct me if you know of a better one, is the Samsung Galaxy Tab 3. And that’s a terrible tablet that Samsung can’t even sell, so it’s often given away with a Galaxy Phone.
there are just too many other reasons as well. Yes, Adobe could, as they had to do with Windows, since it has no system wide color management, develop their own local version. But how many qualified Android tablets are there, and how many are being bought? It’s a tiny number, and it’s not that likely that most Android users would even consider anything that’s not free, or almost free. Pro users use iPads, as Adobe themselves said as a reason for doing this. They didn’t say that Android tablet users were demanding this.
its true that when Adobe first came out with their photo editing app, it appeared on Android first. But to all intents, that app has sunk beneath the waves.
apple is laying a lot of attention to iPads the past two years. If it’s true, this years new iPad Pro’s will have major advances. Remember that the new standard 3D AR file was developed mostly by Adobe, with input from Apple, and is being used in Adobs’s Apps, and in Apple’s OS and devices. Apple has skin in the game, for certain.
the Macbook Pro refresh was anything other than me too. It’s a major upgrade in a number of ways.
The truth is that much of what you can do can be done on the iPad Pro 12.9”. A full version of Office is here too. There are good databases as well. Just about the only thing you can’t do yet is software development. At some point, we will see that too.
Who said you can't do software development on iPad? Take a look at Codea, Pythonista, and Dringend for on iPad software development. You could write an app using any of those apps on iPad that can be exported to XCode and then build as real app for iOS later. For server side or back-end development, my favorite app is Coda to edit and deploy my code on my servers. Using these apps, I could write my code anywhere anytime such as during a trip, on my bed, on the couch, etc. Something that can't be done using a laptop.
Many people have been writing some apps using iPad for some years. So, stop saying you can't do software development on iPad. You can do it today, if you want to!
Ok, I don’t argue that. But when most people say that, they mean that Apple’s Development system, Xcode, isn’t available. That’s what I mean too.
Apple needs some skin in the software game or Adobe will take their products to android too. After the disappointing ‘me too’ MBP refresh they desperately need a point of difference.
Ha, ha, ha, ha ,ha ,ha ,ha...ha, ha ,ha ,ha ,ha ,ha ,ha ,ha...disappointing ‘me too’ MBPrefresh... ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,. I can’t stop laughing, you’re killing me. You should be doing standup comedy.
Apple needs some skin in the software game or Adobe will take their products to android too. After the disappointing ‘me too’ MBP refresh they desperately need a point of difference.
Why would Adobe take their products to an inferior platform (Android) where...
- Most users don't spend money on Apps (a typical iOS user generates 4X the revenue of an Android user). - There's rampant piracy (invest in a high-end App so people can steal it). - There are no high-end Android tablets suitable for running something like Photoshop.
Find me the fastest, most powerful Android tablet currently on the market. Then compare that to any iPad.
Because they have already. iOS Lightroom used to be way ahead of Android but they’ve pulled parity. As with many pro apps, Adobe appears to be using cross-platform frameworks instead of Apple’s 1st party ones to facilitate this.
Apple needs some skin in the software game or Adobe will take their products to android too. After the disappointing ‘me too’ MBP refresh they desperately need a point of difference.
Ha, ha, ha, ha ,ha ,ha ,ha...ha, ha ,ha ,ha ,ha ,ha ,ha ,ha...disappointing ‘me too’ MBPrefresh... ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,ha,. I can’t stop laughing, you’re killing me. You should be doing standup comedy.
Why? All they did was bump to the latest Intel hardware after other vendors. Is that what passes for innovation now or did I miss something?
Apple needs some skin in the software game or Adobe will take their products to android too. After the disappointing ‘me too’ MBP refresh they desperately need a point of difference.
Why would Adobe take their products to an inferior platform (Android) where...
- Most users don't spend money on Apps (a typical iOS user generates 4X the revenue of an Android user). - There's rampant piracy (invest in a high-end App so people can steal it). - There are no high-end Android tablets suitable for running something like Photoshop.
Find me the fastest, most powerful Android tablet currently on the market. Then compare that to any iPad.
Because they have already. iOS Lightroom used to be way ahead of Android but they’ve pulled parity. As with many pro apps, Adobe appears to be using cross-platform frameworks instead of Apple’s 1st party ones to facilitate this.
Lightroom is not Photoshop. Doesn't change the facts I posted that Android users don't spend money on Apps, they pirate like crazy, and Android tablets are pure garbage.
Still waiting for you to find the most powerful Android tablet available so we can compare it to the iPad.
Apple needs some skin in the software game or Adobe will take their products to android too. After the disappointing ‘me too’ MBP refresh they desperately need a point of difference.
Why would Adobe take their products to an inferior platform (Android) where...
- Most users don't spend money on Apps (a typical iOS user generates 4X the revenue of an Android user). - There's rampant piracy (invest in a high-end App so people can steal it). - There are no high-end Android tablets suitable for running something like Photoshop.
Find me the fastest, most powerful Android tablet currently on the market. Then compare that to any iPad.
Because they have already. iOS Lightroom used to be way ahead of Android but they’ve pulled parity. As with many pro apps, Adobe appears to be using cross-platform frameworks instead of Apple’s 1st party ones to facilitate this.
Lightroom is not Photoshop. Doesn't change the facts I posted that Android users don't spend money on Apps, they pirate like crazy, and Android tablets are pure garbage.
Still waiting for you to find the most powerful Android tablet available so we can compare it to the iPad.
Who cares how powerful Android tablets are, your argument is purely hypothetical. In the real world, both MS & Adobe have committed equally to iOS & Android software. And look at the text again, it says devices like iPad - why wouldn’t they just say iPad & why the preemptive delay apology from Adobe? They’re going to release touch app versions on all platforms concurrently.
We have an iPad Pro & I love it but when I hunt for real apps the vast majority are Android ports. A classic tortoise & hare situation where Apple failed to capitalise on first-mover advantage. Sorry but unless Apple’s lack of attention to the Mac range indicates something amazing happening on iPad, they have minimal bragging rights.
Apple needs some skin in the software game or Adobe will take their products to android too. After the disappointing ‘me too’ MBP refresh they desperately need a point of difference.
Why would Adobe take their products to an inferior platform (Android) where...
- Most users don't spend money on Apps (a typical iOS user generates 4X the revenue of an Android user). - There's rampant piracy (invest in a high-end App so people can steal it). - There are no high-end Android tablets suitable for running something like Photoshop.
Find me the fastest, most powerful Android tablet currently on the market. Then compare that to any iPad.
Because they have already. iOS Lightroom used to be way ahead of Android but they’ve pulled parity. As with many pro apps, Adobe appears to be using cross-platform frameworks instead of Apple’s 1st party ones to facilitate this.
Lightroom is not Photoshop. Doesn't change the facts I posted that Android users don't spend money on Apps, they pirate like crazy, and Android tablets are pure garbage.
Still waiting for you to find the most powerful Android tablet available so we can compare it to the iPad.
Who cares how powerful Android tablets are, your argument is purely hypothetical. In the real world, both MS & Adobe have committed equally to iOS & Android software. And look at the text again, it says devices like iPad - why wouldn’t they just say iPad & why the preemptive delay apology from Adobe? They’re going to release touch app versions on all platforms concurrently.
We have an iPad Pro & I love it but when I hunt for real apps the vast majority are Android ports. A classic tortoise & hare situation where Apple failed to capitalise on first-mover advantage. Sorry but unless Apple’s lack of attention to the Mac range indicates something amazing happening on iPad, they have minimal bragging rights.
Liar.
Claiming you own an iPad Pro and that all "real" Apps on Android is an outright lie. Which makes you a liar.
Apple needs some skin in the software game or Adobe will take their products to android too. After the disappointing ‘me too’ MBP refresh they desperately need a point of difference.
Why would Adobe take their products to an inferior platform (Android) where...
- Most users don't spend money on Apps (a typical iOS user generates 4X the revenue of an Android user). - There's rampant piracy (invest in a high-end App so people can steal it). - There are no high-end Android tablets suitable for running something like Photoshop.
Find me the fastest, most powerful Android tablet currently on the market. Then compare that to any iPad.
Because they have already. iOS Lightroom used to be way ahead of Android but they’ve pulled parity. As with many pro apps, Adobe appears to be using cross-platform frameworks instead of Apple’s 1st party ones to facilitate this.
Again, not really true. The “best” Android tablet, the Samsung Galaxy Tab 3 was far behind when it first came out, and is hopelessly outclassed now. Show us an equivalent tablet to an Apple iPad Pro tablet. There isn’t anything close. Can there be in the future? Of course, but there doesn’t seem to be a market for one.
for their amateur apps, which is what we see on Android, they use (sometimes) their cross plarform development system. But not for their Pro work. The likelihood that you’ll see CC on Android is extremely low.
Apple needs some skin in the software game or Adobe will take their products to android too. After the disappointing ‘me too’ MBP refresh they desperately need a point of difference.
Why would Adobe take their products to an inferior platform (Android) where...
- Most users don't spend money on Apps (a typical iOS user generates 4X the revenue of an Android user). - There's rampant piracy (invest in a high-end App so people can steal it). - There are no high-end Android tablets suitable for running something like Photoshop.
Find me the fastest, most powerful Android tablet currently on the market. Then compare that to any iPad.
Because they have already. iOS Lightroom used to be way ahead of Android but they’ve pulled parity. As with many pro apps, Adobe appears to be using cross-platform frameworks instead of Apple’s 1st party ones to facilitate this.
Lightroom is not Photoshop. Doesn't change the facts I posted that Android users don't spend money on Apps, they pirate like crazy, and Android tablets are pure garbage.
Still waiting for you to find the most powerful Android tablet available so we can compare it to the iPad.
Who cares how powerful Android tablets are, your argument is purely hypothetical. In the real world, both MS & Adobe have committed equally to iOS & Android software. And look at the text again, it says devices like iPad - why wouldn’t they just say iPad & why the preemptive delay apology from Adobe? They’re going to release touch app versions on all platforms concurrently.
We have an iPad Pro & I love it but when I hunt for real apps the vast majority are Android ports. A classic tortoise & hare situation where Apple failed to capitalise on first-mover advantage. Sorry but unless Apple’s lack of attention to the Mac range indicates something amazing happening on iPad, they have minimal bragging rights.
You are absolutely wrong. You just don’t get it. There are no real pro android tablets out there. Adobe did state that the last couple of generations of iPad Pro tablets are powerful enough to run their pro software, such as Photoshop, and Illustrator, also under development. There are NO android tablets that are anywhere near these in performance.
its kind of amusing to read this from you. For years, it’s been claimed that iPads aren’t powerful to do “real” work. But here they are, doing real work because they’re about as powerful as the average notebook. With android tablets mostly $100 toys, and the few that try to rise above that m UCD less powerful than the iPad Po, you now claim that performance doesn’t matter? That’s a real laugh!
there are far more professional apps out for the iPad than for Android, which doesn’t even have many real tablet apps at all, with almost all just being phone apps.
I wonder if Adobe knows something we don't about the iPad Pro with the A12X (yes, I think it'll be an A12X since Apple didn't update the Pro this Spring or at WWDC).
I know Apple sometimes gives certain developers early access to hardware for testing, so it could be that this years iPad Pro has enough grunt to not only run Photoshop, but run it really well. If Adobe knows about the expected performance then it might have been enough to finally convince them to bring Photoshop over.
Yet we'll still have idiots running around saying you can't do real work on an iPad.
Access to developers who do not know how professionals in their domain work means nothing. That is not developers who tell people how publishers and artists work. They can only offer toools to be proven if they are practical or not. Try to give tool in finance and tell people they have to use it - you will get fired next day. People need support and tools can be build only based on feedback. Processor knwoledge is irrelevant.
I wonder if Adobe knows something we don't about the iPad Pro with the A12X (yes, I think it'll be an A12X since Apple didn't update the Pro this Spring or at WWDC).
I know Apple sometimes gives certain developers early access to hardware for testing, so it could be that this years iPad Pro has enough grunt to not only run Photoshop, but run it really well. If Adobe knows about the expected performance then it might have been enough to finally convince them to bring Photoshop over.
Yet we'll still have idiots running around saying you can't do real work on an iPad.
Access to developers who do not know how professionals in their domain work means nothing. That is not developers who tell people how publishers and artists work. They can only offer toools to be proven if they are practical or not. Try to give tool in finance and tell people they have to use it - you will get fired next day. People need support and tools can be build only based on feedback. Processor knwoledge is irrelevant.
I don’t understand your post. Or maybe I do, and it’s just wrong.
understanding the performance of the machine the software will run on is very important. As a long term photoshop user and beta tester, I can tell you that when Adobe, or any other developer of high performance software, looks at a significant update to their product, one of the first things they do is to look at how current hardware is performing. They also look at the current OS.
generally, performance of the software is tied to the type of computer their major customers are using. If it’s pro software (really), then they look at what those pros are using now, and what they will be using by the time of the next major software update. The usual hardware they aim at for the software to run as well as they expect their customers to prefer, is about a computer performance level of about 2/3rds of the most powerful machine in the category.
What this means is that on a rating of from 1-10, 10 would the highest performance machine available at the time that customers would be expected to be using - high performance customers. 8 would be where the average customer would be, and 6 would be the lowest level the software would be used at. 8 would therefore be the aim point, with that performing well enough so that everything would be quick. 6 would allow the software to run well enough to use, but customers would notice that it’s not “snappy”. 10 would be where the high end commercial users would be, and everything would be optimum.
by the time the next major software update comes out, those at 6 would be expected to have bought a new machine, those running at 8 previously might hold on for another year, and those at 10 are almost always upgrading with the hardware rather than waiting for the software, and rotating their machines down a level when the new ones come in.
this is almost always what developers of high performance software do. It’s been done that way for a long time. If Adobe has been getting demands, as they said, from pro customers, who are moving from notebooks to iPads, that’s a bit startling. But their statement that newer iPads, supposedly since the iPad Pro 12.9” and the 10.5” pro models came out, are powerful enough for Photoshop, and the rest of the CC Suite, is significant.
the biggest concern is how well Adobe will manage to get the UI for these apps correct the first time. It’s not going to be easy. just look at Affinity Photo, which I have, the UI is a complete mess. I hope Adobe can do better than that.
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Many people have been writing some apps using iPad for some years. So, stop saying you can't do software development on iPad. You can do it today, if you want to!
Why would Adobe take their products to an inferior platform (Android) where...
- Most users don't spend money on Apps (a typical iOS user generates 4X the revenue of an Android user).
- There's rampant piracy (invest in a high-end App so people can steal it).
- There are no high-end Android tablets suitable for running something like Photoshop.
Find me the fastest, most powerful Android tablet currently on the market. Then compare that to any iPad.
Adobe charge $50 a month for the entire CC Suite, which is a heck of a lot of software. They charge $9.95 a month to subscribe the both Lightroom and Photoshop. That’s really not much.
i use Photo, but frankly, it leaves a lot to be desired. Lots of bugs, and a bad UI.
there are just too many other reasons as well. Yes, Adobe could, as they had to do with Windows, since it has no system wide color management, develop their own local version. But how many qualified Android tablets are there, and how many are being bought? It’s a tiny number, and it’s not that likely that most Android users would even consider anything that’s not free, or almost free. Pro users use iPads, as Adobe themselves said as a reason for doing this. They didn’t say that Android tablet users were demanding this.
its true that when Adobe first came out with their photo editing app, it appeared on Android first. But to all intents, that app has sunk beneath the waves.
apple is laying a lot of attention to iPads the past two years. If it’s true, this years new iPad Pro’s will have major advances. Remember that the new standard 3D AR file was developed mostly by Adobe, with input from Apple, and is being used in Adobs’s Apps, and in Apple’s OS and devices. Apple has skin in the game, for certain.
the Macbook Pro refresh was anything other than me too. It’s a major upgrade in a number of ways.
Ok, I don’t argue that. But when most people say that, they mean that Apple’s Development system, Xcode, isn’t available. That’s what I mean too.
Lightroom is not Photoshop. Doesn't change the facts I posted that Android users don't spend money on Apps, they pirate like crazy, and Android tablets are pure garbage.
Still waiting for you to find the most powerful Android tablet available so we can compare it to the iPad.
We have an iPad Pro & I love it but when I hunt for real apps the vast majority are Android ports. A classic tortoise & hare situation where Apple failed to capitalise on first-mover advantage. Sorry but unless Apple’s lack of attention to the Mac range indicates something amazing happening on iPad, they have minimal bragging rights.
Liar.
Claiming you own an iPad Pro and that all "real" Apps on Android is an outright lie. Which makes you a liar.
for their amateur apps, which is what we see on Android, they use (sometimes) their cross plarform development system. But not for their Pro work. The likelihood that you’ll see CC on Android is extremely low.
its kind of amusing to read this from you. For years, it’s been claimed that iPads aren’t powerful to do “real” work. But here they are, doing real work because they’re about as powerful as the average notebook. With android tablets mostly $100 toys, and the few that try to rise above that m UCD less powerful than the iPad Po, you now claim that performance doesn’t matter? That’s a real laugh!
there are far more professional apps out for the iPad than for Android, which doesn’t even have many real tablet apps at all, with almost all just being phone apps.
understanding the performance of the machine the software will run on is very important. As a long term photoshop user and beta tester, I can tell you that when Adobe, or any other developer of high performance software, looks at a significant update to their product, one of the first things they do is to look at how current hardware is performing. They also look at the current OS.
generally, performance of the software is tied to the type of computer their major customers are using. If it’s pro software (really), then they look at what those pros are using now, and what they will be using by the time of the next major software update. The usual hardware they aim at for the software to run as well as they expect their customers to prefer, is about a computer performance level of about 2/3rds of the most powerful machine in the category.
What this means is that on a rating of from 1-10, 10 would the highest performance machine available at the time that customers would be expected to be using - high performance customers. 8 would be where the average customer would be, and 6 would be the lowest level the software would be used at. 8 would therefore be the aim point, with that performing well enough so that everything would be quick. 6 would allow the software to run well enough to use, but customers would notice that it’s not “snappy”. 10 would be where the high end commercial users would be, and everything would be optimum.
by the time the next major software update comes out, those at 6 would be expected to have bought a new machine, those running at 8 previously might hold on for another year, and those at 10 are almost always upgrading with the hardware rather than waiting for the software, and rotating their machines down a level when the new ones come in.
this is almost always what developers of high performance software do. It’s been done that way for a long time. If Adobe has been getting demands, as they said, from pro customers, who are moving from notebooks to iPads, that’s a bit startling. But their statement that newer iPads, supposedly since the iPad Pro 12.9” and the 10.5” pro models came out, are powerful enough for Photoshop, and the rest of the CC Suite, is significant.
the biggest concern is how well Adobe will manage to get the UI for these apps correct the first time. It’s not going to be easy. just look at Affinity Photo, which I have, the UI is a complete mess. I hope Adobe can do better than that.