Can we get Google's numbers from the region please?? *Holding in laughter*
Google's Sergey Brin chose to stand on principle and took the company out of China more than a decade ago. Now with Sundar Pichai in charge as CEO there's been some rumors that Google is slowly sliding back in. We'll see if it actually happens, and personally I'd prefer it did not.
Why? You go to play in China's playground, you play by their rules. Google will become the biggest source of state spying in Chinese history.
Right now the 'biggest source of state spying" as far as big Western techs that would be the Chinese iCloud service, formally owned and controlled by Apple but no longer, correct?
But I agree on the why. Google took the right stand (IMO) a decade ago and decided the ultimate loss of tens of $B's in revenue was less important than moral principal. I totally get that the world is a different place 12 years on, and Google leaving didn't bring a sea-change to the Chinese governments efforts to control of its citizenry. Still sad to think that money is so terribly important than principals can be tossed aside for more of it. When Western techs roll over chasing Chinese profits it seems like this old exchange:
Lord Beaverbrook of England is talking with a visiting American actress. In a game of hypothetical questions, Beaverbrook asked the lady: ‘Would you live with a stranger (quite politely put as other sources said "sleep") if he paid you one million pounds?’ She said she would. ‘And if he paid you five pounds?’ The irate lady fumed: ‘Five pounds. What do you think I am?’ Beaverbrook replied: ‘We’ve already established that. Now we are trying to determine the degree.”
Right Google has morals like selling user data for profit.
And I thought you knew a lot about the tech world. Was I mistaken? Seems like it going by that statement.
I know plenty about the tech world. I don’t regularly use Google products (except for YouTube since there is no effective alternative). Why?
* First Google collects a lot of personal data (which is for the company’s use).
”The Journal says that, just like Facebook, Google is also profiling everyone using its services — or the web — and Google’s database contains a lot more information on both users and non-users. Even if you opt out of ad targeting, Google still collects data about you.”
Can we get Google's numbers from the region please?? *Holding in laughter*
Google's Sergey Brin chose to stand on principle and took the company out of China more than a decade ago. Now with Sundar Pichai in charge as CEO there's been some rumors that Google is slowly sliding back in. We'll see if it actually happens, and personally I'd prefer it did not.
Why? You go to play in China's playground, you play by their rules. Google will become the biggest source of state spying in Chinese history.
Right now the 'biggest source of state spying" as far as big Western techs that would be the Chinese iCloud service, formally owned and controlled by Apple but no longer, correct?
But I agree on the why. Google took the right stand (IMO) a decade ago and decided the ultimate loss of tens of $B's in revenue was less important than moral principal. I totally get that the world is a different place 12 years on, and Google leaving didn't bring a sea-change to the Chinese governments efforts to control of its citizenry. Still sad to think that money is so terribly important than principals can be tossed aside for more of it. When Western techs roll over chasing Chinese profits it seems like this old exchange:
Lord Beaverbrook of England is talking with a visiting American actress. In a game of hypothetical questions, Beaverbrook asked the lady: ‘Would you live with a stranger (quite politely put as other sources said "sleep") if he paid you one million pounds?’ She said she would. ‘And if he paid you five pounds?’ The irate lady fumed: ‘Five pounds. What do you think I am?’ Beaverbrook replied: ‘We’ve already established that. Now we are trying to determine the degree.”
Right Google has morals like selling user data for profit.
And I thought you knew a lot about the tech world. Was I mistaken? Seems like it going by that statement.
I know plenty about the tech world. I don’t regularly use Google products (except for YouTube since there is no effective alternative). Why?
* First Google collects a lot of personal data (which is for the company’s use).
”The Journal says that, just like Facebook, Google is also profiling everyone using its services — or the web — and Google’s database contains a lot more information on both users and non-users. Even if you opt out of ad targeting, Google still collects data about you.”
Can we get Google's numbers from the region please?? *Holding in laughter*
Google's Sergey Brin chose to stand on principle and took the company out of China more than a decade ago. Now with Sundar Pichai in charge as CEO there's been some rumors that Google is slowly sliding back in. We'll see if it actually happens, and personally I'd prefer it did not.
Why? You go to play in China's playground, you play by their rules. Google will become the biggest source of state spying in Chinese history.
Right now the 'biggest source of state spying" as far as big Western techs that would be the Chinese iCloud service, formally owned and controlled by Apple but no longer, correct?
But I agree on the why. Google took the right stand (IMO) a decade ago and decided the ultimate loss of tens of $B's in revenue was less important than moral principal. I totally get that the world is a different place 12 years on, and Google leaving didn't bring a sea-change to the Chinese governments efforts to control of its citizenry. Still sad to think that money is so terribly important than principals can be tossed aside for more of it. When Western techs roll over chasing Chinese profits it seems like this old exchange:
Lord Beaverbrook of England is talking with a visiting American actress. In a game of hypothetical questions, Beaverbrook asked the lady: ‘Would you live with a stranger (quite politely put as other sources said "sleep") if he paid you one million pounds?’ She said she would. ‘And if he paid you five pounds?’ The irate lady fumed: ‘Five pounds. What do you think I am?’ Beaverbrook replied: ‘We’ve already established that. Now we are trying to determine the degree.”
Right Google has morals like selling user data for profit.
And I thought you knew a lot about the tech world. Was I mistaken? Seems like it going by that statement.
I know plenty about the tech world. I don’t regularly use Google products (except for YouTube since there is no effective alternative). Why?
* First Google collects a lot of personal data (which is for the company’s use).
”The Journal says that, just like Facebook, Google is also profiling everyone using its services — or the web — and Google’s database contains a lot more information on both users and non-users. Even if you opt out of ad targeting, Google still collects data about you.”
Hey you're getting it. You are absolutely right, Google doesn't sell data. They sell advertising placement, so so you knew better.
It's a shame we had to do the What About Google Shuffle in this thread though.
The advertising placement sold by Google is based on its data so it is a conclusion about the customer reached by Google. Google through its services tracks what a user buys, what they write, their searches, their destinations. Google comes up with a summary of all that data, that the customer probably wants to buy a certain product. (That is targeted advertising. Google is not randomly selling ad space.) - Google connects with certain companies who fit what Google believes the customer may want to buy. * While Google does not sell raw data, Google sells to companies a summary of the data about the preferences of the customer. That potential buyer summary being sold is still data.
Apple doesn't care about market share. They suck up all the profitss instead. The real trick is how they can get that money back into the US so it can be paid to Wall Street.
Paid to Wall Street? What does that even mean???
Dividends and share buybacks. Apple is majority owned by Wall Street institutional investors.
We’ll see soon enough if China is dumb enough to go after Apple during the opening salvo of trade tariffs and negotiations with the US. They’d be harming their own people by putting millions of factory workers out of work.
Can we get Google's numbers from the region please?? *Holding in laughter*
Google's Sergey Brin chose to stand on principle and took the company out of China more than a decade ago. Now with Sundar Pichai in charge as CEO there's been some rumors that Google is slowly sliding back in. We'll see if it actually happens, and personally I'd prefer it did not.
Why? You go to play in China's playground, you play by their rules. Google will become the biggest source of state spying in Chinese history.
Right now the 'biggest source of state spying" as far as big Western techs that would be the Chinese iCloud service, formally owned and controlled by Apple but no longer, correct?
But I agree on the why. Google took the right stand (IMO) a decade ago and decided the ultimate loss of tens of $B's in revenue was less important than moral principal. I totally get that the world is a different place 12 years on, and Google leaving didn't bring a sea-change to the Chinese governments efforts to control of its citizenry. Still sad to think that money is so terribly important than principals can be tossed aside for more of it. When Western techs roll over chasing Chinese profits it seems like this old exchange:
Lord Beaverbrook of England is talking with a visiting American actress. In a game of hypothetical questions, Beaverbrook asked the lady: ‘Would you live with a stranger (quite politely put as other sources said "sleep") if he paid you one million pounds?’ She said she would. ‘And if he paid you five pounds?’ The irate lady fumed: ‘Five pounds. What do you think I am?’ Beaverbrook replied: ‘We’ve already established that. Now we are trying to determine the degree.”
Right Google has morals like selling user data for profit.
And I thought you knew a lot about the tech world. Was I mistaken? Seems like it going by that statement.
I know plenty about the tech world. I don’t regularly use Google products (except for YouTube since there is no effective alternative). Why?
* First Google collects a lot of personal data (which is for the company’s use).
”The Journal says that, just like Facebook, Google is also profiling everyone using its services — or the web — and Google’s database contains a lot more information on both users and non-users. Even if you opt out of ad targeting, Google still collects data about you.”
Hey you're getting it. You are absolutely right, Google doesn't sell data. They sell advertising placement, so so you knew better.
It's a shame we had to do the What About Google Shuffle in this thread though.
The advertising placement sold by Google is based on its data so it is a conclusion about the customer reached by Google. Google through its services tracks what a user buys, what they write, their searches, their destinations. Google comes up with a summary of all that data, that the customer probably wants to buy a certain product. (That is targeted advertising. Google is not randomly selling ad space.) - Google connects with certain companies who fit what Google believes the customer may want to buy. * While Google does not sell raw data, Google sells to companies a summary of the data about the preferences of the customer. That potential buyer summary being sold is still data.
Exactly. GG always pretends we don’t get that, but IMO “Google sells your data” is suitable shorthand for describing their business mode.
Heres the real problem — that they have that data. If they’re hacked, or sold to some other corporation in the future, those operators are under no obligation to do as we’d like. I simply don’t want them to have a resovoir of data about me.
Can we get Google's numbers from the region please?? *Holding in laughter*
Google's Sergey Brin chose to stand on principle and took the company out of China more than a decade ago. Now with Sundar Pichai in charge as CEO there's been some rumors that Google is slowly sliding back in. We'll see if it actually happens, and personally I'd prefer it did not.
Why? You go to play in China's playground, you play by their rules. Google will become the biggest source of state spying in Chinese history.
Right now the 'biggest source of state spying" as far as big Western techs that would be the Chinese iCloud service, formally owned and controlled by Apple but no longer, correct?
But I agree on the why. Google took the right stand (IMO) a decade ago and decided the ultimate loss of tens of $B's in revenue was less important than moral principal. I totally get that the world is a different place 12 years on, and Google leaving didn't bring a sea-change to the Chinese governments efforts to control of its citizenry. Still sad to think that money is so terribly important than principals can be tossed aside for more of it. When Western techs roll over chasing Chinese profits it seems like this old exchange:
Lord Beaverbrook of England is talking with a visiting American actress. In a game of hypothetical questions, Beaverbrook asked the lady: ‘Would you live with a stranger (quite politely put as other sources said "sleep") if he paid you one million pounds?’ She said she would. ‘And if he paid you five pounds?’ The irate lady fumed: ‘Five pounds. What do you think I am?’ Beaverbrook replied: ‘We’ve already established that. Now we are trying to determine the degree.”
Right Google has morals like selling user data for profit.
And I thought you knew a lot about the tech world. Was I mistaken? Seems like it going by that statement.
I know plenty about the tech world. I don’t regularly use Google products (except for YouTube since there is no effective alternative). Why?
* First Google collects a lot of personal data (which is for the company’s use).
”The Journal says that, just like Facebook, Google is also profiling everyone using its services — or the web — and Google’s database contains a lot more information on both users and non-users. Even if you opt out of ad targeting, Google still collects data about you.”
Hey you're getting it. You are absolutely right, Google doesn't sell data. They sell advertising placement, so so you knew better.
It's a shame we had to do the What About Google Shuffle in this thread though.
The advertising placement sold by Google is based on its data so it is a conclusion about the customer reached by Google. Google through its services tracks what a user buys, what they write, their searches, their destinations. Google comes up with a summary of all that data, that the customer probably wants to buy a certain product. (That is targeted advertising. Google is not randomly selling ad space.) - Google connects with certain companies who fit what Google believes the customer may want to buy. * While Google does not sell raw data, Google sells to companies a summary of the data about the preferences of the customer. That potential buyer summary being sold is still data.
Exactly. GG always pretends we don’t get that, but IMO “Google sells your data” is suitable shorthand for describing their business mode.
Heres the real problem — that they have that data. If they’re hacked, or sold to some other corporation in the future, those operators are under no obligation to do as we’d like. I simply don’t want them to have a resovoir of data about me.
Do you have a Google account? If not they don't have "a resovoir (sic) of data" about you so little to worry about IMHO. On the other hand you might want to look at what Exactis leaked about you (AFAIK never mentioned on AI surprisingly). Never heard of them? Well then you should have paid more attention rather than suffering tunnel vision about an ad service who may not even know your name, recognizing "you" as an advertising ID# (Apple copied the method) mixed in with a basket-load of others if anything at all. https://www.wired.com/story/exactis-database-leak-340-million-records/
Check to see who really has revealed your personal information here. You are near guaranteed to have a hit, and it wasn't Google: https://haveibeenpwned.com/ Did you find anything?
So no "Google sells your data" is NOT suitable shorthand for their business method. Exactis sells your personal data. Literally. So does Experian. And Equifax (breached). And TransUnion. And Oracle's BlueKai. And thousands of other data sources and aggregators. But not Google.
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Why?
* First Google collects a lot of personal data (which is for the company’s use).
”The Journal says that, just like Facebook, Google is also profiling everyone using its services — or the web — and Google’s database contains a lot more information on both users and non-users. Even if you opt out of ad targeting, Google still collects data about you.”
https://bgr.com/2018/04/23/google-vs-facebook-collects-user-data/
* Second, using that personal data, Google sells advertising to companies which can target ads to users.“Google generates revenue primarily by selling online advertising over its sites and its network member sites.”
https://revenuesandprofits.com/how-google-makes-money/
It's a shame we had to do the What About Google Shuffle in this thread though.
Google through its services tracks what a user buys, what they write, their searches, their destinations.
Google comes up with a summary of all that data, that the customer probably wants to buy a certain product.
(That is targeted advertising. Google is not randomly selling ad space.)
- Google connects with certain companies who fit what Google believes the customer may want to buy.
* While Google does not sell raw data, Google sells to companies a summary of the data about the preferences of the customer.
That potential buyer summary being sold is still data.
Heres the real problem — that they have that data. If they’re hacked, or sold to some other corporation in the future, those operators are under no obligation to do as we’d like. I simply don’t want them to have a resovoir of data about me.
https://www.wired.com/story/exactis-database-leak-340-million-records/
Check to see who really has revealed your personal information here. You are near guaranteed to have a hit, and it wasn't Google:
https://haveibeenpwned.com/
Did you find anything?
So no "Google sells your data" is NOT suitable shorthand for their business method. Exactis sells your personal data. Literally. So does Experian. And Equifax (breached). And TransUnion. And Oracle's BlueKai. And thousands of other data sources and aggregators. But not Google.