Also, can’t they engineer out the camera bump? I mean, come on! Jobs would have never stood for this. Bunch of slackers! I mean, I can understand that they had to do it that one year but it’s been several years now and they still haven’t figured out a solution?
I hope they are simply prototypes. They are pretty ugly and the colours are not very 2018 (much less 2019).
Gradients are the 'in thing' this year. This year was also the year of the notch (as far as trends go) but we are seeing the first truly full screen phones appearing already so my bet is on a flood of full screen phones during 2019.
The Oppo Find X was released here a couple of days ago and as far as design, colours and finish go, it shines.
I'll have the chance to use one in person next week but I really think the look of the phone is a big win for the company.
How can red, white and black be ugly? And when has Apple ever done the so-called “in” thing? It’s Chinese companies that race to follow whatever trend they think is “in”.
I didn't say the colours were ugly. I said the phones were ugly and the colours were not what is popular this year.
Apple doesn't have to do the 'in' thing but sticking with the same old tired solid colours won't make them any less boring because there is an Apple logo on the back.
Either way, if these are simple mock ups by a third party they aren't the real deal - thankfully. They just look too plasticy. Hence, 'ugly'.
So what colors are in? Hopefully you aren’t referring to the awful gradient phones.
I hope they are simply prototypes. They are pretty ugly and the colours are not very 2018 (much less 2019).
Gradients are the 'in thing' this year. This year was also the year of the notch (as far as trends go) but we are seeing the first truly full screen phones appearing already so my bet is on a flood of full screen phones during 2019.
The Oppo Find X was released here a couple of days ago and as far as design, colours and finish go, it shines.
I'll have the chance to use one in person next week but I really think the look of the phone is a big win for the company.
Are they cheating their benchmark scores too the way your favorite chinese knockoff is, claiming they have to because everyone else in china is cheating?
Any kind of cheating is wrong in my book and should be called out but you've got your cables in an almighty tangle.
I was talking about design, colour and finish, trends and the current state of play in those areas. On top of that, I mentioned OPPO (not Huawei)!
The Find X is a beautiful phone and right up there with the P20 Pro. We should be capable of admiring the design. Giving credit where credit is due. Your labelling of everything as a knock-off shows just how short sighted you are.
As I read the Find X page on the Oppo site I couldn’t help but subvocalize, “knockoff, copycat, they followed Apple, like so many do.” Where were they with 3D dot projectors, claims of 20x more secure than fingerprint unlock (exactly Apple’s words), wireless earbuds, before Apple introduced these things to wide adoption.
It’s you who aren’t able to, or refuse to, accept the reality of the situation.
Oh, and here’s some extra reality for you. Stay tuned on the slide-out camera module. There’s more than one manner in which that might prove to be a very bad idea.
I hope they are simply prototypes. They are pretty ugly and the colours are not very 2018 (much less 2019).
Gradients are the 'in thing' this year. This year was also the year of the notch (as far as trends go) but we are seeing the first truly full screen phones appearing already so my bet is on a flood of full screen phones during 2019.
The Oppo Find X was released here a couple of days ago and as far as design, colours and finish go, it shines.
I'll have the chance to use one in person next week but I really think the look of the phone is a big win for the company.
Are they cheating their benchmark scores too the way your favorite chinese knockoff is, claiming they have to because everyone else in china is cheating?
When I see "gradient" together with "phone", I see nothing but a fashion fad that is going to create a higher than normal depreciation for that same device in the next update cycle. Apple absolutely understands its market.
I hope they are simply prototypes. They are pretty ugly and the colours are not very 2018 (much less 2019).
Gradients are the 'in thing' this year. This year was also the year of the notch (as far as trends go) but we are seeing the first truly full screen phones appearing already so my bet is on a flood of full screen phones during 2019.
The Oppo Find X was released here a couple of days ago and as far as design, colours and finish go, it shines.
I'll have the chance to use one in person next week but I really think the look of the phone is a big win for the company.
Not too bad for a slider phone, except for those awful gradients. Are people still buying slider phones? I hope so! That will make my wait in the iPhone line a little shorter.
Wait... “Full screen phone?” That’s when you have the slider closed and you can’t see the bezel that is far bigger than the notch, right? My iPhone unlocks at a touch via facial recognition when it’s sitting on the angled wireless charger. Would one have to pick this phone up, I slide to activate the Face ID, then close the slider and put it back? Seems like a lot more work than tapping the screen or asking Siri something (where all this just magically happens).
Gradients may be “in,” (Andy Warhol seemed to like them, but he was high), but so is huffing cinnamon powder. Count me out of that party.
Also, can’t they engineer out the camera bump? I mean, come on! Jobs would have never stood for this. Bunch of slackers! I mean, I can understand that they had to do it that one year but it’s been several years now and they still haven’t figured out a solution?
Guess what? No one give a shit about that camera bump!
I hope they are simply prototypes. They are pretty ugly and the colours are not very 2018 (much less 2019).
Gradients are the 'in thing' this year. This year was also the year of the notch (as far as trends go) but we are seeing the first truly full screen phones appearing already so my bet is on a flood of full screen phones during 2019.
The Oppo Find X was released here a couple of days ago and as far as design, colours and finish go, it shines.
I'll have the chance to use one in person next week but I really think the look of the phone is a big win for the company.
Are you high on something? The last time Apple did anything even remotely close to gradients in hardware was with the Flower Power and Blue Dalmatian G3 iMacs… in early 2001. For the record, they were widely mocked for them (what's that thing called again…? Ahhh… courage! ), in a vicious way I've never seen other companies or products being mocked (save perhaps for the fugly-ass FIAT Multipla, or the infamous poop-brown first-gen Microsoft Zune), and I don't even think they were especially ugly, they were just… too niche and over the top for a company trying both to be taken seriously again and to streamline their production line and distribution channel (in any case, such a finish treatment would make no sense today, especially on a phone; that sort of thing is now easily achieved with a case at the low end, or with a mod at the high end, à la Feld&Volk). And those weren't even the last colourful plastic-era Macs before the strikingly different (and, arguably, in the very same design language we carry in our pockets and backpacks to this day) iMac G4 (or its allegedly prototype-turned-product, the eMac) was released, as the late 2001 iMac G3 models already featured way more subdued colours which pointed in that direction.
Apple doesn't follow trends, they either set them or just ignore them altogether, with very few exceptions (the only one I can think of is screen sizes on phones, but seeing how we're talking about looks and materials that doesn't seem very relevant to the discussion). The only thing they follow is a very strict design language with which they play in some very restrained ways (as in, alternating between more subdued and more saturated colours, maybe in lock-step with major *fashion* trends, not the random crap thrown at the wall to see if it sticks by most el-cheapo knock-off consumer electronics manufacturers); if you don't get this very basic fact about Apple, please refrain from commenting on their business (and just because you personally wish for something to happen, it doesn't mean it ever will; welcome to the real world! ). As long as Ive, Ahrendts (remember, she's the former Burberry CEO, and Apple most certainly makes use of more than just her retail expertise) et al. remain at the company *and* the design language doesn't change radically (and judging by their massive sales, including in a market as fashion-conscious as wearables, I don't see any reason why it would), you won't see gradients on an Apple product casing, ever.
If anything, those gradients are a sad attempt at differentiation *from* Apple's lineup… If the designers at those companies were smart, they would copy Apple's general design *philosophy* and use pure, unpainted (or nearly so; anodization and that dark coating they give to stainless steel products seem to hold up pretty well) materials which age beautifully (except maybe they could use alternative ones for differentiation, duh; and, indeed, that's what Microsoft seems to be attempting, but the only reason I believe they failed is the fact that they are trying to out-Apple Apple by copying their worst mistakes as well, like gluing everything together instead of using screws), instead of the plastic/“prettyfied” crap they put out year after year. You know, I buy Apple products mainly for the OSes and for privacy reasons, but even if that wasn't the case, I'd still be buying them for their looks, because almost everything else on the market screams over/under-designed.
As for the UI, that's a whole 'nother story, but even going by that and considering they might use them at some point again in the future, gradients are already waaay out and “sooo 2013”.
No, I don't! I want slightly thicker phones with a bigger battery, more strength against bending and breaking, and no protruding camera! "Thinner" is not a feature I look for in a phone.
I hope they are simply prototypes. They are pretty ugly and the colours are not very 2018 (much less 2019).
Gradients are the 'in thing' this year. This year was also the year of the notch (as far as trends go) but we are seeing the first truly full screen phones appearing already so my bet is on a flood of full screen phones during 2019.
The Oppo Find X was released here a couple of days ago and as far as design, colours and finish go, it shines.
I'll have the chance to use one in person next week but I really think the look of the phone is a big win for the company.
Want excellent cameras on thin phones. You have to sacrifice something. Or you know ,use a case like the 85% of us.
No I want excellent camera but not thin Phone. Make the phone freking 3mm fatter like iPhone X. Who cares?!? iPhone x is much fatter and thus much nicer to hold then this thin iPhone 6 design which flies from your hand whenever it wants.
Want excellent cameras on thin phones. You have to sacrifice something. Or you know ,use a case like the 85% of us.
No I want excellent camera but not thin Phone. Make the phone freking 3mm fatter like iPhone X. Who cares?!? iPhone x is much fatter and thus much nicer to hold then this thin iPhone 6 design which flies from your hand whenever it wants.
Given than the iPhone X is only 0.6 mm thicker than the iPhone 6 plus and 6s Plus, and 0.8 mm thicker than the iPhone 6, I'm not seeing anything like a 3 mm difference.
Want excellent cameras on thin phones. You have to sacrifice something. Or you know ,use a case like the 85% of us.
No I want excellent camera but not thin Phone. Make the phone freking 3mm fatter like iPhone X. Who cares?!? iPhone x is much fatter and thus much nicer to hold then this thin iPhone 6 design which flies from your hand whenever it wants.
Given than the iPhone X is only 0.6 mm thicker than the iPhone 6 plus and 6s Plus, and 0.8 mm thicker than the iPhone 6, I'm not seeing anything like a 3 mm difference.
I hope they are simply prototypes. They are pretty ugly and the colours are not very 2018 (much less 2019).
Gradients are the 'in thing' this year. This year was also the year of the notch (as far as trends go) but we are seeing the first truly full screen phones appearing already so my bet is on a flood of full screen phones during 2019.
The Oppo Find X was released here a couple of days ago and as far as design, colours and finish go, it shines.
I'll have the chance to use one in person next week but I really think the look of the phone is a big win for the company.
Are they cheating their benchmark scores too the way your favorite chinese knockoff is, claiming they have to because everyone else in china is cheating?
Want excellent cameras on thin phones. You have to sacrifice something. Or you know ,use a case like the 85% of us.
No I want excellent camera but not thin Phone. Make the phone freking 3mm fatter like iPhone X. Who cares?!? iPhone x is much fatter and thus much nicer to hold then this thin iPhone 6 design which flies from your hand whenever it wants.
Given than the iPhone X is only 0.6 mm thicker than the iPhone 6 plus and 6s Plus, and 0.8 mm thicker than the iPhone 6, I'm not seeing anything like a 3 mm difference.
Well you get the point I guess...
I suspect that the texture of the iPhone X surface is different than that of the metal backed iPhone models. As I have never held an iPhone X, I'm not in any position to state one way or another, but it is plausible.
I hope they are simply prototypes. They are pretty ugly and the colours are not very 2018 (much less 2019).
Gradients are the 'in thing' this year. This year was also the year of the notch (as far as trends go) but we are seeing the first truly full screen phones appearing already so my bet is on a flood of full screen phones during 2019.
The Oppo Find X was released here a couple of days ago and as far as design, colours and finish go, it shines.
I'll have the chance to use one in person next week but I really think the look of the phone is a big win for the company.
Are they cheating their benchmark scores too the way your favorite chinese knockoff is, claiming they have to because everyone else in china is cheating?
Whataboutism? One of several. Another thread veering off the tracks...
In essence, the market, even including U.S.media and reviewers, doesn't penalize Chinese Android OS device makers, other than for a bit of pearl clutching, because it all within rules of the game of eyeballs and clicks.
Apple, Google, Samsung, et al, would be eviscerated by these same publications, again for eyeballs and clicks.
I hope they are simply prototypes. They are pretty ugly and the colours are not very 2018 (much less 2019).
Gradients are the 'in thing' this year. This year was also the year of the notch (as far as trends go) but we are seeing the first truly full screen phones appearing already so my bet is on a flood of full screen phones during 2019.
The Oppo Find X was released here a couple of days ago and as far as design, colours and finish go, it shines.
I'll have the chance to use one in person next week but I really think the look of the phone is a big win for the company.
Are they cheating their benchmark scores too the way your favorite chinese knockoff is, claiming they have to because everyone else in china is cheating?
Any kind of cheating is wrong in my book and should be called out but you've got your cables in an almighty tangle.
I was talking about design, colour and finish, trends and the current state of play in those areas. On top of that, I mentioned OPPO (not Huawei)!
The Find X is a beautiful phone and right up there with the P20 Pro. We should be capable of admiring the design. Giving credit where credit is due. Your labelling of everything as a knock-off shows just how short sighted you are.
As I read the Find X page on the Oppo site I couldn’t help but subvocalize, “knockoff, copycat, they followed Apple, like so many do.” Where were they with 3D dot projectors, claims of 20x more secure than fingerprint unlock (exactly Apple’s words), wireless earbuds, before Apple introduced these things to wide adoption.
It’s you who aren’t able to, or refuse to, accept the reality of the situation.
Oh, and here’s some extra reality for you. Stay tuned on the slide-out camera module. There’s more than one manner in which that might prove to be a very bad idea.
You are mixing things up. I was referring to the visual design. I made that clear. Functionality is a different consideration.
As for 3D depth sensing and FaceID, Apple was first to implement it on a working phone but they were not alone with the idea or plans though, as Honor showed (they were working on an even better and further reaching solution).
There is nothing to suggest that Oppo wasn't working on similar solutions itself either. In fact, the phone was many years in the making and face unlock was present on many phones way before Apple used it. The difference is in the 3D aspect and which depends very much on the NPU (which only Huawei/Honor and Apple had - things have changed now). And let's not forget that Apple didn't use it across the entire range. It was limited to just one phone. There are many reasons why. Cost is simply one of them (the reason Honor gave for not shipping such a solution in January for example). Claiming or implyiing that companies like Honor/Huawei are copying is simply disingenuous.
As for the sliding mechanism, it is a trade-off, just like notches. I spent years with sliding phones and never had problems with them. No cruft accumulation, mechanical problems or otherwise. They were very reliable. The Oppo version is motorised and they have rated the mechanism for 300,000 uses.
However, that has nothing to do with my point which was on how it looks, not on how it functions.
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It’s you who aren’t able to, or refuse to, accept the reality of the situation.
Oh, and here’s some extra reality for you. Stay tuned on the slide-out camera module. There’s more than one manner in which that might prove to be a very bad idea.
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When I see "gradient" together with "phone", I see nothing but a fashion fad that is going to create a higher than normal depreciation for that same device in the next update cycle. Apple absolutely understands its market.
Wait... “Full screen phone?” That’s when you have the slider closed and you can’t see the bezel that is far bigger than the notch, right? My iPhone unlocks at a touch via facial recognition when it’s sitting on the angled wireless charger. Would one have to pick this phone up, I slide to activate the Face ID, then close the slider and put it back? Seems like a lot more work than tapping the screen or asking Siri something (where all this just magically happens).
Gradients may be “in,” (Andy Warhol seemed to like them, but he was high), but so is huffing cinnamon powder. Count me out of that party.
Apple doesn't follow trends, they either set them or just ignore them altogether, with very few exceptions (the only one I can think of is screen sizes on phones, but seeing how we're talking about looks and materials that doesn't seem very relevant to the discussion). The only thing they follow is a very strict design language with which they play in some very restrained ways (as in, alternating between more subdued and more saturated colours, maybe in lock-step with major *fashion* trends, not the random crap thrown at the wall to see if it sticks by most el-cheapo knock-off consumer electronics manufacturers); if you don't get this very basic fact about Apple, please refrain from commenting on their business (and just because you personally wish for something to happen, it doesn't mean it ever will; welcome to the real world!
If anything, those gradients are a sad attempt at differentiation *from* Apple's lineup… If the designers at those companies were smart, they would copy Apple's general design *philosophy* and use pure, unpainted (or nearly so; anodization and that dark coating they give to stainless steel products seem to hold up pretty well) materials which age beautifully (except maybe they could use alternative ones for differentiation, duh; and, indeed, that's what Microsoft seems to be attempting, but the only reason I believe they failed is the fact that they are trying to out-Apple Apple by copying their worst mistakes as well, like gluing everything together instead of using screws), instead of the plastic/“prettyfied” crap they put out year after year. You know, I buy Apple products mainly for the OSes and for privacy reasons, but even if that wasn't the case, I'd still be buying them for their looks, because almost everything else on the market screams over/under-designed.
As for the UI, that's a whole 'nother story, but even going by that and considering they might use them at some point again in the future, gradients are already waaay out and “sooo 2013”.
In essence, the market, even including U.S.media and reviewers, doesn't penalize Chinese Android OS device makers, other than for a bit of pearl clutching, because it all within rules of the game of eyeballs and clicks.
Apple, Google, Samsung, et al, would be eviscerated by these same publications, again for eyeballs and clicks.
As for 3D depth sensing and FaceID, Apple was first to implement it on a working phone but they were not alone with the idea or plans though, as Honor showed (they were working on an even better and further reaching solution).
There is nothing to suggest that Oppo wasn't working on similar solutions itself either. In fact, the phone was many years in the making and face unlock was present on many phones way before Apple used it. The difference is in the 3D aspect and which depends very much on the NPU (which only Huawei/Honor and Apple had - things have changed now). And let's not forget that Apple didn't use it across the entire range. It was limited to just one phone. There are many reasons why. Cost is simply one of them (the reason Honor gave for not shipping such a solution in January for example). Claiming or implyiing that companies like Honor/Huawei are copying is simply disingenuous.
As for the sliding mechanism, it is a trade-off, just like notches. I spent years with sliding phones and never had problems with them. No cruft accumulation, mechanical problems or otherwise. They were very reliable. The Oppo version is motorised and they have rated the mechanism for 300,000 uses.
However, that has nothing to do with my point which was on how it looks, not on how it functions.