I think it’s safe to say we’ll see a Liquid Retina display rather than OLED.
No doubt. An OLED display would make it much more expensive. It’s at least two or three years away I think.
Too expensive ? Yeah, right. More Apple marketing deception. Like the ridiculous premium for a 316L Stanless Steel Apple Watch, despite the reality that 316L stainless steel typically sells for slightly less than the slightly more expensive aluminum the much cheaper Apple Watch is made from. But stainless steel “looks” more expensive.
Samsung S series tablets have been using OLED displays for years and they cost less than iPad Pros. An HP envy laptop I had almost a decade ago came with and OLED display.
While Apple has created a super nice LCD for the iPad Pro, the lack of an OLED is pretty much inxcuseable at its price point. It’s not the cost. It’s the fact Apple customers will buy it anyways.
Lest you think I’m anti-Apple our 3 person household has more than a dozen Apple devices.... we are all in on Apple. I personally have an iPad Pro 10.5 and have had the 9.7 and a gen1 12.9 Pro. Also have an Apple Watch 4 and iPhone XS Max among many other Apple devices.
This intentional major deception, specifically with Apple Watch pricing greatly weakens Apple’s moral authority. Tom Cook is surely smart enough to realize this. So if he truly wants to help social causes like diversity and personal privacy, why does he allow this sort of deception to continue?
A good quality custom designed (non generic) OLED like what Apple uses in their iPhone X series is far more expensive to produce than a similar quality LCD, let alone the size of iPad.
I don’t know why people are assuming the Pro won’t be OLED? The new bezel shrinkage makes the most sense as the best time, and I think they need a bigger distinction between the iPad Pro and the basic iPad, and following the X(S) to 8/XR makes the most sense. Not saying it wouldn’t surprise me if they didn’t, but just pointing out it probably should happen this year, especially if next years non iPad Pro shrinks it’s bezel too.
Oh the buttons being so close is a great decision. It helps you know quickly which "side" the buttons are.
And possibly how to pick it up for correct orientation for FaceID. It could be that FaceID requires a button (portrait) or buttons (landscape) on the top edge to unlock; button(s) oriented on the bottom edge might be “upside down”, and not work.
iPad with touchID works in any orrientation if FaceID doesn't/can't match that it shouldn't ship.
It hasn’t worked in any orientation on the iPhone X/XS and it’s been shipping for two (model) years. We already know FaceID works in portrait and landscape on the iPad, and that might be due to having TrueDepth camera system on both a long and short edge. 360° unlock orientation is a nice to have, but not a necessity—I’d say the same about TouchID, though it’s trivial to do 360° unlock with TouchID.
On iPhone X all 4 elements of the system are within a short distance of each other.
With iPad and slightly thicker bezel they can spread out which should allow it to work in any orrientation. Use 2 matched cameras on opersite edges and it shouldn't matter which is up/ down or left/right and they might even be able to do stereoscopic FaceID without the dot projector being required at all just the flood projector for low light.
I like the fact Apple keeps improving the iPad/iPad Pro
Yes except the price keeps on going up. Remember when the $399 iPad was the best iPad?*
*capacity aside
I don’t remember when the price for the best iPad was $399 because it never was. When it launched the WiFi only model was $499. You can now get the exact same screen size but in retina for $329. Apple then introduced a different type of iPad that earned the pro label and cost more.
vukasika said: [...] As phone got bigger, the market segment for a small tablet have dried up. I'm honestly surprised Apple is rumored to be doing an iPad mini update.
Entry-level price of a big iPhone would buy two-and-a-half iPad minis.
In our house, the use cases just barely justify paying $400. $1000+ would be out of the question.
PickUrPoison said: It hasn’t worked in any orientation on the iPhone X/XS and it’s been shipping for two (model) years. We already know FaceID works in portrait and landscape on the iPad, and that might be due to having TrueDepth camera system on both a long and short edge. 360° unlock orientation is a nice to have, but not a necessity—I’d say the same about TouchID, though it’s trivial to do 360° unlock with TouchID.
They can't just rotate the image in the camera system? I thought this was sophisticated.
Rotating the image is trivial, but you need to consider the angle of the dot projector.
Oh the buttons being so close is a great decision. It helps you know quickly which "side" the buttons are.
And possibly how to pick it up for correct orientation for FaceID. It could be that FaceID requires a button (portrait) or buttons (landscape) on the top edge to unlock; button(s) oriented on the bottom edge might be “upside down”, and not work.
iPad with touchID works in any orrientation if FaceID doesn't/can't match that it shouldn't ship.
It hasn’t worked in any orientation on the iPhone X/XS and it’s been shipping for two (model) years. We already know FaceID works in portrait and landscape on the iPad, and that might be due to having TrueDepth camera system on both a long and short edge. 360° unlock orientation is a nice to have, but not a necessity—I’d say the same about TouchID, though it’s trivial to do 360° unlock with TouchID.
How do we know? Was it confirmed on a software leak?
Yes, Guillermo Rambo found a string in the 12.1 beta:
I like the fact Apple keeps improving the iPad/iPad Pro
Yes except the price keeps on going up. Remember when the $399 iPad was the best iPad?*
*capacity aside
No, I don’t. Because that never happened.
There has never been an iPad below $400 that didn’t have a superior model available at a higher base price (lowest capacity, wi-fi only) at the same time.
This redesign is looking very good! I might even break my rule of not purchasing the 1st generation of an Apple product redesign, as it already seems to be offering all that I’m looking for in an iPad.
cgWerks said: They can't just rotate the image in the camera system? I thought this was sophisticated.
Rotating the image is trivial, but you need to consider the angle of the dot projector.
Do you mean the angle in relation to the plane of the screen? Do you have to be in kind of an exact place relative to the screen, or just roughly in front of it? I'm just surprised it would matter how the face is oriented... I'd think it could be vertical, horizontal, at 38.5°, or upside down. Just trying to figure out why it would matter.
cgWerks said: They can't just rotate the image in the camera system? I thought this was sophisticated.
Rotating the image is trivial, but you need to consider the angle of the dot projector.
Do you mean the angle in relation to the plane of the screen? Do you have to be in kind of an exact place relative to the screen, or just roughly in front of it? I'm just surprised it would matter how the face is oriented... I'd think it could be vertical, horizontal, at 38.5°, or upside down. Just trying to figure out why it would matter.
While I’m not sure the pic below accurately represents the angles, there is a definite directionality to the dot projector and probably the IR flood illuminator, or the interaction of this two. It’s tuned so that it works best when held at typical viewing angles (when held in hand).
I’m sure future versions will be usable over wider angles such that orientation and aiming aren’t so restricted. My guess is that Apple uses two TrueDepth systems, one on a long edge (with the volume buttons) and the other on a short edge (with the top button), to cover both landscape and portrait. I could very well be wrong, we’ll see tomorrow :-)
PickUrPoison said: While I’m not sure the pic below accurately represents the angles, there is a definite directionality to the dot projector and probably the IR flood illuminator, or the interaction of this two. It’s tuned so that it works best when held at typical viewing angles (when held in hand).
I’m sure future versions will be usable over wider angles such that orientation and aiming aren’t so restricted. My guess is that Apple uses two TrueDepth systems, one on a long edge (with the volume buttons) and the other on a short edge (with the top button), to cover both landscape and portrait. I could very well be wrong, we’ll see tomorrow :-)
Yeah, that image (if somewhat representative) makes sense. Boy, that is sure a reason I prefer TouchID. There are many situations (especially in the car, while biking, etc.) where the phone might be mounted and not being held in your hand. TouchID would be a pain for those. Though, I guess in those situations, I could unlock it and then it would just stay unlocked as I'd usually be powering/charging it anyway.
I guess I won't know for sure until I get a FaceID model someday (if I ever do).
I like the fact Apple keeps improving the iPad/iPad Pro and isn’t abandoning the tablet market like all the Android vendors are.
Google really made a dead end out of the Android tablet market. Since there apps were never more that bigger versions of the phone app, the section never matured into anything. It was stunned from birth into a phablet space. As phone got bigger, the market segment for a small tablet have dried up. I'm honestly surprised Apple is rumored to be doing an iPad mini update.
Google shifted their strategy for tablets. Their new strategy involves ChromeOS and 2-in-1s (Pixel Slate)
Fair enough but still doesn't change the fact that Android as a OS a dead end now. I think Google's focused on market share volume & still hasn't translated into a revenue model beyond adds. With lower priced iPads and what seems to be an increased Apple inters in educational setting, IDK if Google's classroom advantage there will hold. Honestly the only reason mosts schools I know of use it is because its free, period. Again I just think the writing is on the wall for Android. If Google is successful with the the new Chrome OS, I would imagine it eventually ditch Android even on phones. - With respect, V.
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In our house, the use cases just barely justify paying $400. $1000+ would be out of the question.
https://mobile.twitter.com/_inside/status/1055580110236147713
There has never been an iPad below $400 that didn’t have a superior model available at a higher base price (lowest capacity, wi-fi only) at the same time.
Today, the $329 iPad might not be the best iPad, but it is a great iPad.
Note: I have a 512GB cellular iPad Pro 10.5", so I agree that the best iPad costs a lot more than $399.
I'm just surprised it would matter how the face is oriented... I'd think it could be vertical, horizontal, at 38.5°, or upside down. Just trying to figure out why it would matter.
While I’m not sure the pic below accurately represents the angles, there is a definite directionality to the dot projector and probably the IR flood illuminator, or the interaction of this two. It’s tuned so that it works best when held at typical viewing angles (when held in hand).
I’m sure future versions will be usable over wider angles such that orientation and aiming aren’t so restricted. My guess is that Apple uses two TrueDepth systems, one on a long edge (with the volume buttons) and the other on a short edge (with the top button), to cover both landscape and portrait. I could very well be wrong, we’ll see tomorrow :-)
I guess I won't know for sure until I get a FaceID model someday (if I ever do).