Apple knows very well that this is going on. They only publicly acknowledge it when it's "outed" and put on the facade of "moral outrage." Then, they get the manufacturing partner to stop the practice claiming "Apple did 'The right thing!'" (which just means the partners employ another dubious work practice from their arsenal to keep costs down).
In other news that company will no longer be contracted by Apple if the story is true. Apple takes these things very seriously.
Really? When will we see Apple fire Foxconn? They are repeat offenders and I don’t see anyone taking their business away from them.
This was Quanta.
Yes, but Foxconn was the whole reason why Apple had to start their program of policing the supply chain. Foxconn has been abusing workers for years and they make everyone’s stuff, Sony, Microsoft, Dell, HP, yet Apple was the one singled out because of the money Apple has.
I have read the “report” Sacom wrote about this. It is one sided and acknowledges that the government does nothing to prevent things like this and has put all of the pressure on Apple to fix something that is acceptable to the local schools and government. That’s a no win situation.
While I am sad to hear that my watch could have been made by a child over false pretenses, I do NOT think Apple is at fault here. I understand that unless Apple can show up undercover and expose this abuse, AND has the support of government to enforce labor laws set by Apple, there isn’t anything Apple can do to stop it.
The article won’t accuse any school officials or government officials for their complacency, and why do you think that is?
In other news that company will no longer be contracted by Apple if the story is true. Apple takes these things very seriously.
Really? When will we see Apple fire Foxconn? They are repeat offenders and I don’t see anyone taking their business away from them.
This was Quanta.
Yes, but Foxconn was the whole reason why Apple had to start their program of policing the supply chain. Foxconn has been abusing workers for years and they make everyone’s stuff, Sony, Microsoft, Dell, HP, yet Apple was the one singled out because of the money Apple has.
I have read the “report” Sacom wrote about this. It is one sided and acknowledges that the government does nothing to prevent things like this and has put all of the pressure on Apple to fix something that is acceptable to the local schools and government. That’s a no win situation.
While I am sad to hear that my watch could have been made by a child over false pretenses, I do NOT think Apple is at fault here. I understand that unless Apple can show up undercover and expose this abuse, AND has the support of government to enforce labor laws set by Apple, there isn’t anything Apple can do to stop it.
The article won’t accuse any school officials or government officials for their complacency, and why do you think that is?
There are tons of fakes and sales of these knockoffs all over China are overlooked by the authorities:
In other news that company will no longer be contracted by Apple if the story is true. Apple takes these things very seriously.
Really? When will we see Apple fire Foxconn? They are repeat offenders and I don’t see anyone taking their business away from them.
Links?
just google 'apple mistreatment of workers' - these factories are still employed by Apple
Nope, that doesn’t support your argument. I want to see your links documenting abuse worthy of firing Foxconn. It sure isn’t the spat of suicides years back, as it was less than the rate national suicide in China.
You made the claim, you provide the evidence. That’s how it works.
In other news that company will no longer be contracted by Apple if the story is true. Apple takes these things very seriously.
Really? When will we see Apple fire Foxconn? They are repeat offenders and I don’t see anyone taking their business away from them.
Links?
just google 'apple mistreatment of workers' - these factories are still employed by Apple
Nope, that doesn’t support your argument. I want to see your links documenting abuse worthy of firing Foxconn. It sure isn’t the spat of suicides years back, as it was less than the rate national suicide in China.
You made the claim, you provide the evidence. That’s how it works.
Well you already know of one instance, and you think that since the suicide rate at the Foxconn compound is lower than the national rate, it’s ok that there are suicides. You don’t want to know why? You don’t think that being overworked and living in terrible overcrowded prison like settings are the reasons why these poor people commit suicide?
There are a lot of other stories of Foxconn committing crimes like dumping toxic waste into the local sewers, revoking the official travel papers of workers so they can’t leave if they don’t want to work anymore.
Im not going to spoon feed you all of this by providing links. It doesn’t mean you will believe it if I do or not if I didn’t.
The bottom line line is Apple is stuck being the scapegoat for an abusive manufacturing system that is sanctioned by the companies like Foxconn and Quanta and others, and the Chinese government and their education system.
They could fire Foxconn, but whoever they get to replace them (like Quanta), is no better since their is no motivation to follow Apple’s supplier code of ethics if everyone breaks that code.
Apple can only do so much. It's not like Apple can have their own personal guards at these factory's inspecting everyone coming in 24/7 to make sure they're not kids.
Why not? It's one thing if it's a supplier that's providing one small part out of many, but if it's a major supplier or assembly plant, Apple should have representatives on site for many reasons: to insure quality and to make sure that that company is not violating labor laws or Apple's own policies for their contractors. In today's world, Apple can't use the excuse that it's not their factory (and they don't, thus the investigation).
High school students having a job. What a crime. I had jobs in high school and I worked overtime too. It is called learning responsibility. Racerhomie3 said it best. People in the west should not complain about the style of work in other countries. That is their way of life.
Yes, I agree -- and I too had jobs in High School. My first was running a convenience store at 15.
But this is NOT the same: IF the report is correct, they are being forced by their schools to work and then forced by their employers to work unreasonable hours such as overnight shifts. A high school kid needs to prioritize High School and HomeWork. How could he do that if he works all night, tries to stay awake in school the next day and then, instead of homework goes back to work?
This is why the U.S. instituted child labor laws that we both benefited from: we were able to both go to school and to work without sacrificing either.
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Foxconn has been abusing workers for years and they make everyone’s stuff, Sony, Microsoft, Dell, HP, yet Apple was the one singled out because of the money Apple has.
I have read the “report” Sacom wrote about this. It is one sided and acknowledges that the government does nothing to prevent things like this and has put all of the pressure on Apple to fix something that is acceptable to the local schools and government. That’s a no win situation.
Here it is:
http://sacom.hk/wp-content/uploads/2018/10/Apple-Watch-Series-4-Still-Failed-to-Protect-Teenage-Student-Workers.pdf
While I am sad to hear that my watch could have been made by a child over false pretenses, I do NOT think Apple is at fault here. I understand that unless Apple can show up undercover and expose this abuse, AND has the support of government to enforce labor laws set by Apple, there isn’t anything Apple can do to stop it.
The article won’t accuse any school officials or government officials for their complacency, and why do you think that is?
I don't like the Young Turks, but...
You made the claim, you provide the evidence. That’s how it works.
You don’t think that being overworked and living in terrible overcrowded prison like settings are the reasons why these poor people commit suicide?
There are a lot of other stories of Foxconn committing crimes like dumping toxic waste into the local sewers, revoking the official travel papers of workers so they can’t leave if they don’t want to work anymore.
Im not going to spoon feed you all of this by providing links. It doesn’t mean you will believe it if I do or not if I didn’t.
The bottom line line is Apple is stuck being the scapegoat for an abusive manufacturing system that is sanctioned by the companies like Foxconn and Quanta and others, and the Chinese government and their education system.
They could fire Foxconn, but whoever they get to replace them (like Quanta), is no better since their is no motivation to follow Apple’s supplier code of ethics if everyone breaks that code.