Apple Marketshare in China

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  • Reply 21 of 61
    [quote]Originally posted by Anders the White:

    <strong>



    The last line is rooted as much in reality as "The economy has entered a new era where the cyclic natur has been replaced by one without crisis" had four years ago.</strong><hr></blockquote>





    White Anders,



    No one can deny the economic progression of China. Not even George w.
  • Reply 22 of 61
    everyone thought japan was gonna take over the world a decade or so ago... something happened and it didn't who knows whether this will happen with china...



    anyway, japan still is the second largest economy in the world atm
  • Reply 22 of 61
    [quote]Originally posted by stevegongrui:

    <strong>





    White Anders,



    No one can deny the economic progression of China. Not even George w.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    I don´t question what China has managed to uptil this day. I´m questioning that anyone can extrapolate from that like you did.



    Things change. Look at the Asian tigers. And Japan! Wonder what was said about those in the mid 90s?



    Much of Chinas succes is based on doing what the tigers did ten years ago: Doing mid-tech work a lot cheaper than the west is able to do. China just took the marked from the SE asian countries with even lower wages when the ones in SE asia were rising. They can´t continue that strategy forever and for that reason and many others you can´t extrapolate from the development.
  • Reply 24 of 61
    lol anders and I posted similar comments at exactly the same time
  • Reply 25 of 61
    stunnedstunned Posts: 1,096member
    In all truth, I do not know much about the China market. But, I 've been there twice and I do know that the Chinese are rather well-off in the big cities. Many Chinese I see can afford cars, houses and luxuries. I am sure they can get a Mac if they really want.



    Problem is that most of these potential buyers knows nothing about Mac or have strong and negative perceptions about the prices. But Mac prices have gone down in recent months and prices of some hardware like iBooks are priced very competitively. Thus, the saying that very few chinese can afford macs dun hold water. If they can get a dell or Acer laptop, they probably can afford iBooks too. Thus, I beleive Apple need to do more aggrssive marketing and promotions there.



    I suggest the education market becos it is always easier to tie up with some education or govt institutions. And its easier to convert younger people cos they are more attracted to beautiful hardware and more willing to switch.



    But Steve, U are right. Apple cannot sit back and let the other computer giants grab market share. Even if the China market is still underdeveloped or small, it is necessary for Apple to develop a presence and try to convert more users.



    And trust me, China will be the new economic power in the next few decades. They have the natural resources, no wierd religious ideas and the Chinese people are a hardworking lot. Even though only about 5-10& of the population is currently well-off, it is already a super lucrative market for many companies. Imagine if 30-50% of China become well-off!!



    China is gonna be a big market in the future. Apple cannot underestimate that!!
  • Reply 26 of 61
    [quote]Originally posted by stevegongrui:

    <strong>Stag, I think too that you're suffering from prejudice.



    I have some questions for you;



    1. Have you ever been to China?

    2. Do you know anything about Apple China in Beijing or Founder Electronics: The largest representative of Apple in China?

    3. Do you know the way of thought of the Chinese?

    </strong><hr></blockquote>



    1. Yes I have been to China,



    2. I know Founder is bad enough that alot of businesses oppertaing in China would rather import their macs from the US on their own rather than deal with them. It is less expensive to buy a Mac retail in the US and ship it to China, pay the Chinese import taxes than it the mac in China by a pretty serious margin.



    3. I know the Chinese are pretty smart, and I know you won't be able to convince them to spend CNY 18000 for a 600mhz iMac.
  • Reply 27 of 61
    [quote]Originally posted by stevegongrui:

    <strong>Just in case you were wondering,





    Apple market share of total pcs in China is;





    A pathetic 0.2% <img src="graemlins/bugeye.gif" border="0" alt="[Skeptical]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>



    That number doesn't include the gray market macs imported unoffically, but has it occured to you that Apples marketshare is so low because the Chinese are not stupid and aren't going to pay 600% more for an extreme low end mac when they can get a pretty nice PC for a fraction of the price?
  • Reply 28 of 61
    [QUOTE]Originally posted by stunned:

    <strong>In all truth, I do not know much about the China market. But, I 've been there twice and I do know that the Chinese are rather well-off in the big cities. Many Chinese I see can afford cars, houses and luxuries. I am sure they can get a Mac if they really want.</strong>



    If you could take your income and buy an iMac and nothing else, or you could buy a car, big screen tv and run your household for the year, what do you think people are going to do?



    <strong>Problem is that most of these potential buyers knows nothing about Mac or have strong and negative perceptions about the prices. But Mac prices have gone down in recent months and prices of some hardware like iBooks are priced very competitively. </strong>



    Not in China,



    <strong>I suggest the education market becos it is always easier to tie up with some education or govt institutions. And its easier to convert younger people cos they are more attracted to beautiful hardware and more willing to switch.</strong>



    The Chinese Ministry Of Education has already shacked up with AMD and Linux, when your looking to buy 300,000,000 computers without bankrupting the treasury macs aren't an option I am afraid.



    <strong>And trust me, China will be the new economic power in the next few decades.</strong>



    China and India will be the superpowers of the 21st Century and they will be very plump consumer markets, And Apple has to do something in both countries pretty quick. It might already be to late in India, but it isn't in China and Apple's surogates in China (and almost everywhere else) are doing an awful job.
  • Reply 29 of 61
    Yes, the import tax for the computers is incredible.



    This makes the macs more expensive but is only a little or no difference when compared to brands such as IBM and Sony.



    And trust me, IBM and Sony and good brands sell big.



    They obviously don't sell as good as the local brands such as Founder Computer and Legend, but the only people buying those are people who don't know anything about computers and just buying it for the low price. They don't even know the configurations of their computers or what it can do.





    The people buying good branded computers are a plenty and they are the people we want to use macs, not those who don't know anything and just want a deal.





    I just don't understand why Apple in California doesn't do something about marketing in China rather than leaving it to the incompetent lot now.





    Does anyone have Steve Jobs' Email?
  • Reply 30 of 61
    stunnedstunned Posts: 1,096member
    My guess why Apple is neglecting China is becos it is having many problems such as declining market share in its native country -USA. I guess until Apple can get a good stronghold in its own market, it probably has not much resources and attention to concentrate on other markets.



    Well, I only hope Apple turns its attention to China and other Asian countries. Apple is really very quiet in many Asian countries, even in rich Singapore. Many of these countries have great potential and represent a huge market. I hope once Apple settle its own problems in the west, it will focus on the east.



    As I said before, a Mac world in China or in Singapore will generate alot of fanfare a good publicity. Lets hope Apple come over to the East soon.



    No hard feelings about the China debate Stag and Steve. U guys probably know more about computer markets than I do. But I really think China is gonna be too big a market to ignore, and Apple needs to penetrate it, sooner or later.
  • Reply 31 of 61
    What would really be a smart move (IMHO) is to move certain factories to China.



    I know that certain low tech things like power adapters, keyboard and mice are assembled in China already, but if they could bring like a part of their notebook factory to China, it would really diminuish the cost of macs in china as there is no import tax.



    Many companies such as Texas instruments, IBM and HP (I believe) have already moved their factories from Taiwan to China.



    I don't see any reasons against Apple moving its factories to China as things would be much cheaper and therefore a great reduction in costs and an opportunity for expanding the mac market in china.



    And please, don't start talking about how "Macs made in China will be of bad quality" as some of you have said over the summer. Equipment etc. are the same so why should the chinese workers lose in respect to those in taiwan?





    Comments welcome.
  • Reply 32 of 61
    I believe some LCD iMacs and eMacs are made in mainland China by Hon-Hai.



    However that hasn't helped their price any as they are exported and re-imported before they are actually sold in China.



    Brilliant Huh?



    During the Sculley years Apple did very well in Asia, however no one since him has had even the slightest understanding of emerging markets.
  • Reply 33 of 61
    [quote]Originally posted by stunned:

    <strong>Well, I only hope Apple turns its attention to China and other Asian countries. Apple is really very quiet in many Asian countries, even in rich Singapore.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Isn't Apple in the process of abandoning it's opperations in Singapore?



    Like I just said to stevegongrui, Apple used to understand Asia very well. They used to be dominant in Asia. But now they just don't get it which is really unfortunate because if they don't get back into China in a meaningful way in the next few years it will be impossible for them to make anything more than a blip.
  • Reply 34 of 61
    stunnedstunned Posts: 1,096member
    [quote]Originally posted by Stagflation Steve:

    <strong>



    Isn't Apple in the process of abandoning it's opperations in Singapore?



    Like I just said to stevegongrui, Apple used to understand Asia very well. They used to be dominant in Asia. But now they just don't get it which is really unfortunate because if they don't get back into China in a meaningful way in the next few years it will be impossible for them to make anything more than a blip.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Apple is very passive in Singapore. There are only about 4 Apple stores here and all are run by independent companies. There are no mac advertisments shown here on TV and there are also hardly any exhibitions and very few people here know about macs. Very sad.



    Stag, U are right. Apple need to attack the Asian Market fast. Any delays will only mean that the market will become harder to penetrate in the future.
  • Reply 35 of 61
    What I really don't understand is why Apple is still trying to attack the Japanese market. I know this as I have seen that they have the switch campaign there too - ads etc.



    Japan already has such a large percentage of users that I don't think it is neccesary to go on.



    Moreover, Japan's economy is bad and people tend not to spend very much as there is deflation.



    So why still Japan?



    I mean, the Chinese support in OS X is so good. I don't understand why they do a half assed job about China.
  • Reply 36 of 61
    stunnedstunned Posts: 1,096member
    [quote]Originally posted by stevegongrui:

    <strong>What I really don't understand is why Apple is still trying to attack the Japanese market. I know this as I have seen that they have the switch campaign there too - ads etc.



    Japan already has such a large percentage of users that I don't think it is neccesary to go on.



    Moreover, Japan's economy is bad and people tend not to spend very much as there is deflation.



    So why still Japan?



    I mean, the Chinese support in OS X is so good. I don't understand why they do a half assed job about China.</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Apple is not like MS. Even a 1% increase in market share in Japan can mean huge profits. Furthermore, the Japanese have large spending power even though they are in a recession. Thus, Apple is right in advertising aggrssively in Japan.



    What I dun like is Apple slow or can't be bothered attititude about other Asian markets such as China. These markets have great growth potential and Apple needs to devise strategies to penetrate them fast.
  • Reply 37 of 61
    ast3r3xast3r3x Posts: 5,012member
    ...what we need is a cold war like with the russians...then we could probably run out china's economy and offer them macs while they are rebuilding...yes yes that will do perfectly





    OK...we need somone here to post pro american anti chinesse banners across china...THEN shoot at chinas heads of state (not killing anyone mind u) with bullets traced back to the US...of course you'll have to make sure u get transmissions intercepted by chinesse officials from the CIA about the assas.
  • Reply 38 of 61
    Cool, MacUsers tells me that there is an article about macs in china in the new MacAddict.



    Perhaps apple read this thread!



    Btw, when I started this thread in Jan, most people ignored it. I feel as a responsible mac fan, we should at least pay attention.



    Steve
  • Reply 39 of 61
    ast3r3xast3r3x Posts: 5,012member
    Quote:

    Originally posted by stevegongrui

    Cool, MacUsers tells me that there is an article about macs in china in the new MacAddict.



    Perhaps apple read this thread!



    Btw, when I started this thread in Jan, most people ignored it. I feel as a responsible mac fan, we should at least pay attention.



    Steve




    haha you just want ur thread to get attention
  • Reply 40 of 61
    Quote:

    Originally posted by ast3r3x

    haha you just want ur thread to get attention



    This is an important issue. More important than threads about Hottest Pic ever or Whatcha listening to.



    Don't you think?
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