- There is absolutely nothing brain-dead about the Magic Mouse charging -- it lasts for over a month per charge, and it sends push notifications when it gets low, so I plug it in at the end of that day. If I forget and come in the next morning, I can plug it in and get a drink of water or pee, come back, and work all day. What is the problem? Why on earth would I want to use a wireless mouse tethered? Defeats the entire purpose.
I understand that you perceive using the mouse while charging as both undesirable and unnecessary. I have no problem with that, and respect your preference.
Lemme turn it around a little though. Some of us think the idea of being able to use it while charging would be really handy. Moving the charging port from the bottom of the device to the front would allow that. How would you be adversely affected by that? Couldn't you continue to enjoy the product exactly as you do now? Would it make any difference to your preferred methods? It seems like it would simply accommodate the desires of others while having no affect on you at all. Why would you object?
I just did a quick mental inventory of all the Apple products I own (including Beats), and I can't think of even one other than the mouse that I can't keep using while it charges.
The MX Master mouse is good if you have larger hands. I was using a smaller Logitech mouse and I was finding that the combination of my day job and home use would leave my fingers aching from being perched above the mouse. The MX Master allows me to drape all my fingers over the top so that they rest on the mouse rather than being suspended above it.
anome said: Tell me about it. Although, after 30+ years of using a mouse right handed, I'm actually better at it that way. Still, symmetry is nice for manual objects, and plenty of right handers I know prefer to use the mouse left handed, either due to personal choice, or because of Occupational Overuse problems.
These days, for Mac OS particularly, I prefer a trackpad.
Yeah, I don't prefer a trackpad, but I now use one like 90% of the time because my hand can't take the mouse for extended periods of time anymore.
That said, the Apple Magic Trackpad 2 is quite nice as trackpads go... incredible design and I doubt (hope) it never breaks, especially given how much it cost!
I hate the Magic Mouse. I have a couple around here, and sometimes toss one in my travel bag... but can't really use it for long at all. It sucks ergonomically, and I don't find the gesture support to be all that usable. In fact, since I did use one for a couple of years, that might be what finally finished my hand off.
I have a Logitech MX Master mouse which is one of the few mice I can tolerate. Last time I went mouse-shopping, I couldn't believe how horrible most of them where. And, unfortunately, I've gone through 3 similar Logitech mice in the last decade, which is nuts given how much they cost. The micro-switch for the main click button goes bad. Otherwise, it actually has a useable (and quite nice) scroll-wheel, and is semi-ergonomic.
Really the only question for me with regard to Trackpad, Mouse and Keyboard is... do I go with the traditional Apple white and silver, or the bad-boy black and space-grey versions
I really don't get why they don't offer the non-number keypad version of the space-grey. The number-pad one takes up too much space on my small desk, but worse, it pushes the trackpad/mouse area further to the right, making it less ergonomic. And, then I'd have to pay more for it, too? I guess I'm just sticking with my non-matching peripherals.
StrangeDays said: ... There is absolutely nothing brain-dead about the Magic Mouse charging -- it lasts for over a month per charge, and it sends push notifications when it gets low, so I plug it in at the end of that day. If I forget and come in the next morning, I can plug it in and get a drink of water or pee, come back, and work all day. What is the problem? Why on earth would I want to use a wireless mouse tethered? Defeats the entire purpose.
- Wireless is awesome, cables suck. I have two work stations on my desk, which would be four cables going everywhere. Instead it's nice and clean.
Depends on what the goal is... a beautiful desk or reliability. As much as I love my BT magic keyboard and trackpad 2, sometimes they have disconnect issues, and I have to plug them in when doing something important to avoid that issue. I can't figure out of it is some kind of interference where I live, or what is going on. But, maybe once per week, for a while, it will disconnect/connect every 30 sec to a minute or two for some period of time.
But, while I agree with you in terms of recharging, I still think it was a pretty un-Apple design.
I hate the Magic Mouse. I have a couple around here, and sometimes toss one in my travel bag... but can't really use it for long at all. It sucks ergonomically, and I don't find the gesture support to be all that usable.
Just for perspective, not that it matters otherwise, I like the Magic Mouse. I don't use a lot of gestures, but two finger swipes for back and forward is something I could no longer live without, and I find scrolling with the surface more satisfying than a wheel.
My big complaint is that it doesn't do a very good job of distinguishing right click from left. I have to make sure I'm not making contact with the mouse anywhere but the front-right area of the surface or it will register a left click instead. I thought mine might be defective but I have the same problem with three different units. I guess I'm "holding it wrong." LOL!
I have a Logitech MX Master mouse which is one of the few mice I can tolerate. Last time I went mouse-shopping, I couldn't believe how horrible most of them where. And, unfortunately, I've gone through 3 similar Logitech mice in the last decade, which is nuts given how much they cost. The micro-switch for the main click button goes bad. Otherwise, it actually has a useable (and quite nice) scroll-wheel, and is semi-ergonomic.
My wife likes the size, shape and feel of Logitech mice. Despite being a pretty light user she has to replace them every year-and-a-half to two years. Same issue you describe. That was annoying given the price of the Bluetooth model, so we just started buying the version with the USB dongle at half the price. They're inexpensive enough that we don't mind replacing them so often.
cgWerks said: As much as I love my BT magic keyboard and trackpad 2, sometimes they have disconnect issues, and I have to plug them in when doing something important to avoid that issue. I can't figure out of it is some kind of interference where I live, or what is going on. But, maybe once per week, for a while, it will disconnect/connect every 30 sec to a minute or two for some period of time.
That's interesting, and has me wondering about an odd behaviour I'm seeing from time to time. For no reason I can discern, the mouse will occasionally start tracking strangely, like it's lagging behind and ignoring some moves altogether. I can drag it across the length of the table and will only register a move of a few inches. I've tried turning it off and on, cleaning the laser window, and rebooting the computer, none of which cure it. Eventually it just gets better on its own.
I've wondered if it could be some kind of radio interference, but what else exists in that frequency band? It happens even in the middle of the night when no one else is up, so it's not some other Bluetooth device, unless maybe an iPhone is talking in its sleep.
lorin schultz said: Just for perspective, not that it matters otherwise, I like the Magic Mouse. I don't use a lot of gestures, but two finger swipes for back and forward is something I could no longer live without, and I find scrolling with the surface more satisfying than a wheel.
My big complaint is that it doesn't do a very good job of distinguishing right click from left. I have to make sure I'm not making contact with the mouse anywhere but the front-right area of the surface or it will register a left click instead. I thought mine might be defective but I have the same problem with three different units. I guess I'm "holding it wrong." LOL!
Heh, much the same experience here. I like the scroll and sideways scroll, but not too much else... and also had issues with right-click. I think having to hold my hand/fingers just so to do the right-click might be part of what hurt my hand. I don't like scroll wheels much on most mice, but the one of the Logitech MX Master is a dream to use. It's kind of a weighted, free-spinning disc (or you can switch it into 'click' mode too to get a ratchet-like effect, I think electromagnetically.
lorin schultz said: My wife likes the size, shape and feel of Logitech mice. Despite being a pretty light user she has to replace them every year-and-a-half to two years. Same issue you describe. That was annoying given the price of the Bluetooth model, so we just started buying the version with the USB dongle at half the price. They're inexpensive enough that we don't mind replacing them so often.
I think the ergonomics are so-so on the Logitech, but I suppose that varies from person to person. It isn't awful for me, but it could be much better. The Apple mouse is a real problem for me, though. I can only use any of them for shorter periods of time these days. I use the trackpad most of the time, and then the mouse when I need the precision.
My Logitech was like $120 or something up here in Canada. I think it's BT, but I thought maybe it came with a dongle too? Maybe I'm confusing it with a previous one. But, I didn't see multiple versions of that particular model (MX Master). The first one I had lasted several years, but the next two didn't. My current one will probably go quite a while now that I use it so little. But... that fact that I have like $300+ in non-keyboard input devices is a bit crazy, I think. (On the bright side, I guess that makes the Mac mini look like quite a deal though by comparison.)
lorin schultz said: That's interesting, and has me wondering about an odd behaviour I'm seeing from time to time. For no reason I can discern, the mouse will occasionally start tracking strangely, like it's lagging behind and ignoring some moves altogether. I can drag it across the length of the table and will only register a move of a few inches. I've tried turning it off and on, cleaning the laser window, and rebooting the computer, none of which cure it. Eventually it just gets better on its own.
I've wondered if it could be some kind of radio interference, but what else exists in that frequency band? It happens even in the middle of the night when no one else is up, so it's not some other Bluetooth device, unless maybe an iPhone is talking in its sleep.
I've had that kind of thing happen too. And, oddly, it was also with mouse, but I haven't noticed it on the trackpad. I kind of chalked it up to some kind of interference too, as I also could never figure out a solution.
But, it's those kind of things where I want a wire. Wireless is convenient, neater, etc. but it isn't more reliable. As dependent as I've become on WiFi as well, I like wired devices better for important or high-bandwidth/speed sensitive things.
cgWerks said: [...] Wireless is convenient, neater, etc. but it isn't more reliable. As dependent as I've become on WiFi as well, I like wired devices better for important or high-bandwidth/speed sensitive things.
That's one area in which I remain unapologetically old-fashioned in my audio work. "Never use wireless anywhere a perfectly good wire will do." Unfortunately it means I spend more time doing the old over-under... (to anyone who doesn't know what that means, don't worry, it's a wink to other sound grunts. It refers to the way we coil cables so they lay out flat the next time we use them).
lorin schultz said: That's one area in which I remain unapologetically old-fashioned in my audio work. "Never use wireless anywhere a perfectly good wire will do." Unfortunately it means I spend more time doing the old over-under... (to anyone who doesn't know what that means, don't worry, it's a wink to other sound grunts. It refers to the way we coil cables so they lay out flat the next time we use them).
What part of Canada are you in? I'm in Vancouver.
Yeah, I'm still trying to get family members to coil cords properly, so as not to damage them. I've run sound a number of times over the years and played in some bands... lots of cords. We lived in Vancouver for a number of years and then up north in PG, but now we're in the Victoria area.
lorin schultz said: That's one area in which I remain unapologetically old-fashioned in my audio work. "Never use wireless anywhere a perfectly good wire will do." Unfortunately it means I spend more time doing the old over-under... (to anyone who doesn't know what that means, don't worry, it's a wink to other sound grunts. It refers to the way we coil cables so they lay out flat the next time we use them).
What part of Canada are you in? I'm in Vancouver.
Yeah, I'm still trying to get family members to coil cords properly, so as not to damage them. I've run sound a number of times over the years and played in some bands... lots of cords. We lived in Vancouver for a number of years and then up north in PG, but now we're in the Victoria area.
You both run sound and play? You could start a company: Cords & Chords.
I was helping pack up the P.A. system after the kids baseball game last summer, and someone walked up and asked where I do sound for a living. Being a former sound tech himself, he recognized the way I was coiling the cables. It's like a secret handshake.
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I understand that you perceive using the mouse while charging as both undesirable and unnecessary. I have no problem with that, and respect your preference.
Lemme turn it around a little though. Some of us think the idea of being able to use it while charging would be really handy. Moving the charging port from the bottom of the device to the front would allow that. How would you be adversely affected by that? Couldn't you continue to enjoy the product exactly as you do now? Would it make any difference to your preferred methods? It seems like it would simply accommodate the desires of others while having no affect on you at all. Why would you object?
I just did a quick mental inventory of all the Apple products I own (including Beats), and I can't think of even one other than the mouse that I can't keep using while it charges.
That said, the Apple Magic Trackpad 2 is quite nice as trackpads go... incredible design and I doubt (hope) it never breaks, especially given how much it cost!
I hate the Magic Mouse. I have a couple around here, and sometimes toss one in my travel bag... but can't really use it for long at all. It sucks ergonomically, and I don't find the gesture support to be all that usable. In fact, since I did use one for a couple of years, that might be what finally finished my hand off.
I have a Logitech MX Master mouse which is one of the few mice I can tolerate. Last time I went mouse-shopping, I couldn't believe how horrible most of them where. And, unfortunately, I've gone through 3 similar Logitech mice in the last decade, which is nuts given how much they cost. The micro-switch for the main click button goes bad. Otherwise, it actually has a useable (and quite nice) scroll-wheel, and is semi-ergonomic.
I really don't get why they don't offer the non-number keypad version of the space-grey. The number-pad one takes up too much space on my small desk, but worse, it pushes the trackpad/mouse area further to the right, making it less ergonomic. And, then I'd have to pay more for it, too? I guess I'm just sticking with my non-matching peripherals.
But, while I agree with you in terms of recharging, I still think it was a pretty un-Apple design.
My big complaint is that it doesn't do a very good job of distinguishing right click from left. I have to make sure I'm not making contact with the mouse anywhere but the front-right area of the surface or it will register a left click instead. I thought mine might be defective but I have the same problem with three different units. I guess I'm "holding it wrong." LOL!
My wife likes the size, shape and feel of Logitech mice. Despite being a pretty light user she has to replace them every year-and-a-half to two years. Same issue you describe. That was annoying given the price of the Bluetooth model, so we just started buying the version with the USB dongle at half the price. They're inexpensive enough that we don't mind replacing them so often.
That's interesting, and has me wondering about an odd behaviour I'm seeing from time to time. For no reason I can discern, the mouse will occasionally start tracking strangely, like it's lagging behind and ignoring some moves altogether. I can drag it across the length of the table and will only register a move of a few inches. I've tried turning it off and on, cleaning the laser window, and rebooting the computer, none of which cure it. Eventually it just gets better on its own.
I've wondered if it could be some kind of radio interference, but what else exists in that frequency band? It happens even in the middle of the night when no one else is up, so it's not some other Bluetooth device, unless maybe an iPhone is talking in its sleep.
I think the ergonomics are so-so on the Logitech, but I suppose that varies from person to person. It isn't awful for me, but it could be much better. The Apple mouse is a real problem for me, though. I can only use any of them for shorter periods of time these days. I use the trackpad most of the time, and then the mouse when I need the precision.
My Logitech was like $120 or something up here in Canada. I think it's BT, but I thought maybe it came with a dongle too? Maybe I'm confusing it with a previous one. But, I didn't see multiple versions of that particular model (MX Master). The first one I had lasted several years, but the next two didn't. My current one will probably go quite a while now that I use it so little. But... that fact that I have like $300+ in non-keyboard input devices is a bit crazy, I think. (On the bright side, I guess that makes the Mac mini look like quite a deal though by comparison.)
I've had that kind of thing happen too. And, oddly, it was also with mouse, but I haven't noticed it on the trackpad. I kind of chalked it up to some kind of interference too, as I also could never figure out a solution.
But, it's those kind of things where I want a wire. Wireless is convenient, neater, etc. but it isn't more reliable. As dependent as I've become on WiFi as well, I like wired devices better for important or high-bandwidth/speed sensitive things.
What part of Canada are you in? I'm in Vancouver.
I was helping pack up the P.A. system after the kids baseball game last summer, and someone walked up and asked where I do sound for a living. Being a former sound tech himself, he recognized the way I was coiling the cables. It's like a secret handshake.