Justice and governance can be blind, but willful tech ignorance by them is hurting us

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  • Reply 21 of 48

    “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it”. [unknown, often attributed to Twain]

    radarthekat
  • Reply 22 of 48
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 20,280member
    Yeah watching these old rich white guys stumble about was extremely painful. It was very clear they weren’t interested in the actual answers to their questions, but just wanted to make fanciful claims about the big bad meanies in Silicon Valley making republicans look bad. Pathetic.
    Enough with the “old... white guys” racism. Skin color has nothing to do with any of this.
    Nor does age.
    Nor does gender ;)
    GeorgeBMacradarthekat
  • Reply 23 of 48
    bvwjbvwj Posts: 6unconfirmed, member
    It a fact, many of these people are fools.  Explain to me again why you want them to control the internet?
    radarthekatlkrupp
  • Reply 24 of 48
    tylersdad said:
    Yeah, it's frightening. Almost as frightening as standing up your own personal email server and conducting classified business on it. 
    That no one can prove was ever hacked and most techie boyz keep pretending never happened before. (BTW, only three emails were ultimately considered classified, but don't let salient facts get in the way of this tired, played out and lonely talking point.)

    The irony of the original post is that tech guys, as evidenced by the quoted individual, belong to a culture that gives in to very anti-democratic impulses and selective standards (called "situational morality" back in the day). You sneer at politicians who "don't get it" yet you won't participate in any meaningful way to elect those who do. And when having a great a deal of power in terms of how information is distributed, tech culture has completely failed in any social obligations, preferring to pawn that off on aforementioned politicos who "don't get it."

    Tech culture is successful at theft, damage and insult. It can't offer any solutions because it can't be *bothered* to do so.
    What on earth are you talking about? Are you expecting Silicon Valley to eliminate our crappy two-party system, which is based on "first past the post" voting? Tech is tech, tech isn't here to re-write our form of government. It has done wonderful things in educating people via sites like Wikipedia and YouTube, as well as keeping government honest via instant mass communications like web, twitter, etc. 

    Here you go -- use tech to learn why the US voting system rewards the two-party and its "lesser of two evils" results:


    radarthekat
  • Reply 25 of 48

    Yeah watching these old rich white guys stumble about was extremely painful. It was very clear they weren’t interested in the actual answers to their questions, but just wanted to make fanciful claims about the big bad meanies in Silicon Valley making republicans look bad. Pathetic.
    Enough with the “old... white guys” racism. Skin color has nothing to do with any of this.
    But it does. The socio-economic status and impact of rich old white guys is important, and you simply cannot ignore it or pretend it wasn't the case simply because you're also an old white guy. OWGs are still the ruling class in the US, which is simply a fact in the senate & congress. This despite some very obvious failings, which are exposed in events such as these hearings.
  • Reply 26 of 48

    Awkward article. It states 'ignorance on our leaders and politicians' but nowhere does it mention what has been ignored. I presume the authors mean Pichai's reply "the iPhone is not a Google product" or some such, and therefore tag our leaders as ignorant.

    Is this what was meant? If so, I wouldn't call that ignorant. Let's call a spade a spade here. Someone using an iPhone, opening Safari, going to google dot com, searching for something...the results would indeed be a Google (or Alphabet) 'product'.
    Watch all of it, or at least the highlights. These dudes are about as ignorant about tech as one can get.
  • Reply 27 of 48
    gatorguy said:
    Yeah watching these old rich white guys stumble about was extremely painful. It was very clear they weren’t interested in the actual answers to their questions, but just wanted to make fanciful claims about the big bad meanies in Silicon Valley making republicans look bad. Pathetic.
    Enough with the “old... white guys” racism. Skin color has nothing to do with any of this.
    Nor does age.
    Nor does gender ;)
    Congratulations -- putting your claims together, you have now stated there is no such thing as a power imbalance and that old, white, men are not, in fact, the de facto ruling class, despite what centuries of power consolidation and roll call in the capitol says. 
  • Reply 28 of 48
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 20,280member
    gatorguy said:
    Yeah watching these old rich white guys stumble about was extremely painful. It was very clear they weren’t interested in the actual answers to their questions, but just wanted to make fanciful claims about the big bad meanies in Silicon Valley making republicans look bad. Pathetic.
    Enough with the “old... white guys” racism. Skin color has nothing to do with any of this.
    Nor does age.
    Nor does gender ;)
    Congratulations -- putting your claims together, you have now stated there is no such thing as a power imbalance and that old, white, men are not, in fact, the de facto ruling class, despite what centuries of power consolidation and roll call in the capitol says. 
    Nancy Pelosi....
  • Reply 29 of 48
    Yeah watching these old rich white guys stumble about was extremely painful. It was very clear they weren’t interested in the actual answers to their questions, but just wanted to make fanciful claims about the big bad meanies in Silicon Valley making republicans look bad. Pathetic.
    Enough with the “old... white guys” racism. Skin color has nothing to do with any of this.
    lol. But ageism is fine.
    GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 30 of 48
    backstab said:
    Yeah watching these old rich white guys stumble about was extremely painful. It was very clear they weren’t interested in the actual answers to their questions, but just wanted to make fanciful claims about the big bad meanies in Silicon Valley making republicans look bad. Pathetic.
    Enough with the “old... white guys” racism. Skin color has nothing to do with any of this.
    lol. But ageism is fine.
    To be accurate, neither does the “rich” part matter. That’s “classism”.
    GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 31 of 48

    gatorguy said:
    Yeah watching these old rich white guys stumble about was extremely painful. It was very clear they weren’t interested in the actual answers to their questions, but just wanted to make fanciful claims about the big bad meanies in Silicon Valley making republicans look bad. Pathetic.
    Enough with the “old... white guys” racism. Skin color has nothing to do with any of this.
    Nor does age.
    Nor does gender ;)
    Congratulations -- putting your claims together, you have now stated there is no such thing as a power imbalance and that old, white, men are not, in fact, the de facto ruling class, despite what centuries of power consolidation and roll call in the capitol says. 
    And how would you insult the members of the Chinese Communist Party if you were Chinese and living in China?

    The racism, classism and ageism are lazy slurs.
    GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 32 of 48
    bvwj said:
    It a fact, many of these people are fools.  Explain to me again why you want them to control the internet?
    If you are going to claim something is a fact, then provide your references.
    GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 33 of 48
    nhtnht Posts: 4,429member

    gatorguy said:
    Yeah watching these old rich white guys stumble about was extremely painful. It was very clear they weren’t interested in the actual answers to their questions, but just wanted to make fanciful claims about the big bad meanies in Silicon Valley making republicans look bad. Pathetic.
    Enough with the “old... white guys” racism. Skin color has nothing to do with any of this.
    Nor does age.
    Nor does gender ;)
    Congratulations -- putting your claims together, you have now stated there is no such thing as a power imbalance and that old, white, men are not, in fact, the de facto ruling class, despite what centuries of power consolidation and roll call in the capitol says. 
    And how would you insult the members of the Chinese Communist Party if you were Chinese and living in China?

    The racism, classism and ageism are lazy slurs.
    Old rich asian guys?  Is it an insult or an observation of reality?

    The fact remains that despite a few outliers the demographic of the senate is far more homogeneous than the general population.
  • Reply 34 of 48
    GHammer said:
    Term limits would be a great thing. At least then you'd not have an 80 year old Speaker of the House and equally old Senate Majority Leader. Along with the rest of the geriatric unit that is the Congress. No idea why term limits have been ruled unconstitutional for Congress while the President is term limited. Not an ageist, I just think they'd be happier out shopping, whittling, annoying others with photos of their grandkids...
    Because the 22nd Amendment to the US Constitution specifically places a term limit on the presidency. You would have to have a similar amendment that was specifically applicable to Congress. That would have to be passed by the US Congress itself which isn’t likely going to put constraints on itself.

    I’m pretty sure that Paul Ryan isn’t 80 years old yet unless that P90X workout works really really well.
    GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 35 of 48
    larryjw said:

    “Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it”. [unknown, often attributed to Twain]

    Well here in the US it is being run by those the voters elected. So if the people in charge are imbeciles it is best to blame the voters who themselves.
    GeorgeBMacradarthekat
  • Reply 36 of 48
    I remember a Congressman once describing the internet as a system of tubes but I always envisioned it as a box with a bird in it that when you opened it made a deadpan wisecrack like “It’s a living.” like in the Flintstones.
  • Reply 37 of 48
    bvwj said:
    It a fact, many of these people are fools.  Explain to me again why you want them to control the internet?
    No, that's Verizon and Comcast.    Remember:   Comcast loves you!
  • Reply 38 of 48

    Yeah watching these old rich white guys stumble about was extremely painful. It was very clear they weren’t interested in the actual answers to their questions, but just wanted to make fanciful claims about the big bad meanies in Silicon Valley making republicans look bad. Pathetic.
    Enough with the “old... white guys” racism. Skin color has nothing to do with any of this.
    But it does. The socio-economic status and impact of rich old white guys is important, and you simply cannot ignore it or pretend it wasn't the case simply because you're also an old white guy. OWGs are still the ruling class in the US, which is simply a fact in the senate & congress. This despite some very obvious failings, which are exposed in events such as these hearings.
    It was an old white guy who passed the Civil Rights bill and another who passed the Americans with Disabilities Act.   As he and others have pointed out:  Age, skin color and gender have nothing to do it.
  • Reply 39 of 48
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 2,997moderator
    Awkward article. It states 'ignorance on our leaders and politicians' but nowhere does it mention what has been ignored. I presume the authors mean Pichai's reply "the iPhone is not a Google product" or some such, and therefore tag our leaders as ignorant.

    Is this what was meant? If so, I wouldn't call that ignorant. Let's call a spade a spade here. Someone using an iPhone, opening Safari, going to google dot com, searching for something...the results would indeed be a Google (or Alphabet) 'product'.

    Ignorance of the meaning of the word ignorance.  That’s starting at square one.  The problem also falls upon the shoulders of those who elect our elected officials.  
    philboogie
  • Reply 40 of 48
    radarthekatradarthekat Posts: 2,997moderator
    nht said:

    gatorguy said:
    Yeah watching these old rich white guys stumble about was extremely painful. It was very clear they weren’t interested in the actual answers to their questions, but just wanted to make fanciful claims about the big bad meanies in Silicon Valley making republicans look bad. Pathetic.
    Enough with the “old... white guys” racism. Skin color has nothing to do with any of this.
    Nor does age.
    Nor does gender ;)
    Congratulations -- putting your claims together, you have now stated there is no such thing as a power imbalance and that old, white, men are not, in fact, the de facto ruling class, despite what centuries of power consolidation and roll call in the capitol says. 
    And how would you insult the members of the Chinese Communist Party if you were Chinese and living in China?

    The racism, classism and ageism are lazy slurs.
    Old rich asian guys?  Is it an insult or an observation of reality?

    The fact remains that despite a few outliers the demographic of the senate is far more homogeneous than the general population.
    I think the point is that there’s nothing inherent in being an old rich white guy that suggests ignorance or intellectual ‘fumbling about.’  Warren Buffett is an old rich white guy, one who happens to read for several hours each day in an effort to continue his own lifetime habit of educating himself, and thereby keeping ignorance at bay.  

    The problem I think we’re facing here is one of self-selection in the political sphere.  You don’t find there to be a significant representation in Congress of scientists, engineers, and others knowledgeable in technical subjects for the reason that such people typically have little passion or aptitude for the political process.  That leaves a subset of the populous who have such interest and aptitude occupying those positions.   
    edited December 2018 GeorgeBMac
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