What are the advantages to having a phone, any phone, with 5G - currently or even in 2020? I understand that downloads would be significantly faster in theory. Even with that I don't know many people that are downloading things that require significant bandwidth on a regular basis. And, of course, having a faster download speed doesn't mean that whatever server I'm connected to can upload fast enough for me to notice.
What was the advantage of having all USB-C ports two years ago?
Nothing. There's precious little use for USB-C now.
Like others have said, there will be very limited 5G availability within the next 2 years much less use. Gatorguy is right, though - it's more about image and what people think they need rather than what they actually need. It's also hard for Apple to market itself as a 'premium, top of the line' phone if it's missing features perceived as critical.
Whatever the details, their multi-supplier strategy completely fell apart with making trouble with QualComm over a $30 license fee (that they already passed over to customers tenfold), making themselves depedendent on Intel and ...themselves
I thought Apple had testified it was only $7 they ended up paying Qualcomm. Perhaps I'm mistaken
The section headed by "$7.50 PER DEVICE ROYALTY RATE" explains the details better.
$7.50 per device plus the cost of the chip itself (which is probably also inflated.) I don't know sales numbers, but as I recall,they are tens to perhaps 100M. That would mean half a billion dollars strictly in royalties that the chipmaker is presumably paying already. I can't blame Apple for fighting back.
The unfortunate thing here is that QC is in a monopoly position with regards to 5G modems, meaning the extortion will continue.
What are the advantages to having a phone, any phone, with 5G - currently or even in 2020? I understand that downloads would be significantly faster in theory. Even with that I don't know many people that are downloading things that require significant bandwidth on a regular basis. And, of course, having a faster download speed doesn't mean that whatever server I'm connected to can upload fast enough for me to notice.
What was the advantage of having all USB-C ports two years ago?
Nothing. There's precious little use for USB-C now.
Like others have said, there will be very limited 5G availability within the next 2 years much less use. Gatorguy is right, though - it's more about image and what people think they need rather than what they actually need. It's also hard for Apple to market itself as a 'premium, top of the line' phone if it's missing features perceived as critical.
Whatever the details, their multi-supplier strategy completely fell apart with making trouble with QualComm over a $30 license fee (that they already passed over to customers tenfold), making themselves depedendent on Intel and ...themselves
I thought Apple had testified it was only $7 they ended up paying Qualcomm. Perhaps I'm mistaken
The section headed by "$7.50 PER DEVICE ROYALTY RATE" explains the details better.
$7.50 per device plus the cost of the chip itself (which is probably also inflated.) I don't know sales numbers, but as I recall,they are tens to perhaps 100M. That would mean half a billion dollars strictly in royalties that the chipmaker is presumably paying already. I can't blame Apple for fighting back.
The unfortunate thing here is that QC is in a monopoly position with regards to 5G modems, meaning the extortion will continue.
Less than 1% of the cost of an iPhone doesn't seem exorbitant. Of course Apple was in an ideal position compared to other licensees as Qualcomm offered them discounts and rebates that reduced their royalties to half or less of what some other OEM's were paying for licenses to the same IP packages.
We all know that wireless carriers can’t wait to run new advertising for 5G. After all, it’s a bigger number than 4G so therefore it “has to be” better right? Since Android phone makers will be coming out with this it is really important for Apple to get this ASAP. Whether or not it really will be much better in real world use is not important, since 4G will still be in use too.. When’s Android markets it’s products it’s always about the hardware... hardware hardware hardware. So that’s why Apple needs to get into this 5G game right away.
Don’t be surprised if you see Apple make their own 5G modem. It’s not like they have been sitting around hoping Intel can get their stuff together or Qualcomm will lower their prices.
Sometimes Apple creates new products out of resentment like Maps, and even though that example isn’t a good one, don’t think they haven’t learned if they are going to take on a successful product, they better have a better one or its Maps all over again.
Huawei will be available to receive an urgent order from Apple... LOL! 5G is already being rolled out there in the Far East b/n China and Sth Korea, and here's Apple, the number one US tech company being stuck and unable to compete in this strategic commercial space. As for those who claims they don't need 5G or suggesting glitches, just classic sour grape mentality. Do these people know that this is the exact area that the US govt and experts are scared of, they know how critical 5G is to the future economic development of the world and a space that the US is struggling to keep up, hence part of Trump's trade war/Huawei ban. Here is a living example of how to turn America First to America Last!
This isn't an option today as, AFAIK, Huawei doesn't licence its chipsets. This is also referenced in the article.
I don't think they couldn't be persuaded though but there are politically sensitive issues that would make the idea a 'no go' in the US.
It wouldn't make sense to use Balong 5000 outside the US either as Apple wants its phones to have similar performance everywhere and they would find themselves having to cap its performance. Apple also wants to have the modem on the SoC.
Right now, the biggest issue for Apple is the speed of the 5G roll out and having competitors shipping devices - now - with the 5G buzzwords
The faster the roll out, the more Apple will notice impact of not having a 5G phone.
Everyone outside of Apple take some information from here and there,
some guessing and make opinion to write like they know all. Apple knows
how to tackle 5G modem issue and will release 5G iPhones when the time
is right for enough 5G coverage is in place to make it worthwhile.
Moreover, why build 5G phones that early with higher cost when people
complaining $1000 price point whether it is Apple or Samsiung phones.
Well, yes, of course. But it’s better journalistic theatre to create tension, conflict, possibility of failure, nail biting unknowns. Will Apple FAIL???????????? Remember it’s all about you and me viewing the page and possibly clicking on an ad.
You certainly don’t understand a molecule of long-term, mass deployment risks in high-tech. Let alone the complexity of (modem-) chips
What are the advantages to having a phone, any phone, with 5G - currently or even in 2020? I understand that downloads would be significantly faster in theory. Even with that I don't know many people that are downloading things that require significant bandwidth on a regular basis. And, of course, having a faster download speed doesn't mean that whatever server I'm connected to can upload fast enough for me to notice.
This industry is alive because of technology-push: high-tech that actually doesn’t fulfill its importance until clever marketing and new appliances make the difference. It’s not you, but Apple who will have a big issue when they are amongst the few 5G have-nots in 2020. Sadly, it’s aging/stagnant Board of pensionado’s is playing the “never-mind” game as they can do because of customers like you.
What are the advantages to having a phone, any phone, with 5G - currently or even in 2020? I understand that downloads would be significantly faster in theory. Even with that I don't know many people that are downloading things that require significant bandwidth on a regular basis. And, of course, having a faster download speed doesn't mean that whatever server I'm connected to can upload fast enough for me to notice.
This industry is alive because of technology-push: high-tech that actually doesn’t fulfill its importance until clever marketing and new appliances make the difference. It’s not you, but Apple who will have a big issue when they are amongst the few 5G have-nots in 2020. Sadly, it’s aging/stagnant Board of pensionado’s is playing the “never-mind” game as they can do because of customers like you.
You didn’t answer the question. Unless 5G is required because of “clever marketing”, which I don’t understand.
What are the advantages to having a phone, any phone, with 5G - currently or even in 2020? I understand that downloads would be significantly faster in theory. Even with that I don't know many people that are downloading things that require significant bandwidth on a regular basis. And, of course, having a faster download speed doesn't mean that whatever server I'm connected to can upload fast enough for me to notice.
What was the advantage of having all USB-C ports two years ago?
Nothing. There's precious little use for USB-C now.
Like others have said, there will be very limited 5G availability within the next 2 years much less use. Gatorguy is right, though - it's more about image and what people think they need rather than what they actually need. It's also hard for Apple to market itself as a 'premium, top of the line' phone if it's missing features perceived as critical.
Whatever the details, their multi-supplier strategy completely fell apart with making trouble with QualComm over a $30 license fee (that they already passed over to customers tenfold), making themselves depedendent on Intel and ...themselves
I thought Apple had testified it was only $7 they ended up paying Qualcomm. Perhaps I'm mistaken
The section headed by "$7.50 PER DEVICE ROYALTY RATE" explains the details better.
$7.50 per device plus the cost of the chip itself (which is probably also inflated.) I don't know sales numbers, but as I recall,they are tens to perhaps 100M. That would mean half a billion dollars strictly in royalties that the chipmaker is presumably paying already. I can't blame Apple for fighting back.
The unfortunate thing here is that QC is in a monopoly position with regards to 5G modems, meaning the extortion will continue.
Less than 1% of the cost of an iPhone doesn't seem exorbitant. Of course Apple was in an ideal position compared to other licensees as Qualcomm offered them discounts and rebates that reduced their royalties to half or less of what some other OEM's were paying for licenses to the same IP packages.
Except when compared with standard licensing terms. We bought a house built by Lennar who put a Nexia z-wave system in. QC’s arrangement is something akin to Lennar buying the controller, then having Nexia charge them 1% of the price of the house on top of that after they had paid for the controller.
You can try to obscure it with statistics, but we’re talking about hundreds of millions of dollars. Should any company willingly give up that much money ‘just because they make a lot more?’
Another option for Apple to produce a 5G phone on a timely basis is Huawei, the world leader in 5G. With a 25,000 strong R&D staff backed by a $15-$20Billion a year R&D budget they can out-tech just about any tech company in the world. Their owner & founder says they can devote so much to R&D because they can reinvest their profits in their business rather than giving it away to shareholders. But, it would make Trump pull his hair out (which might be a side benefit) -- but it would also let Apple produce a quality 5G phone rather than falling behind.
Its so silly to let politics restrict technological progress.
What are the advantages to having a phone, any phone, with 5G - currently or even in 2020? I understand that downloads would be significantly faster in theory. Even with that I don't know many people that are downloading things that require significant bandwidth on a regular basis. And, of course, having a faster download speed doesn't mean that whatever server I'm connected to can upload fast enough for me to notice.
You're correct, there might be no real-world benefit for most folks. Heck, how many people really need a 100+GB internet connection.
What matters to the companies selling this stuff is that you THINK there's benefits, thus you buy it. Apple will want you to think there's benefits too so you buy a new iPhone, but until they offer it expect to see a plethora of comments explaining (IMHO accurately for the most part) why there aren't any.
Yes, this is the sixth scenario, which neither AI nor the original article have addressed, i.e. that 5G won't matter in the slightest for most people for at least three or four years, so Apple won't waste premature time or money on it.
What are the advantages to having a phone, any phone, with 5G - currently or even in 2020? I understand that downloads would be significantly faster in theory. Even with that I don't know many people that are downloading things that require significant bandwidth on a regular basis. And, of course, having a faster download speed doesn't mean that whatever server I'm connected to can upload fast enough for me to notice.
You're correct, there might be no real-world benefit for most folks. Heck, how many people really need a 100+GB internet connection.
What matters to the companies selling this stuff is that you THINK there's benefits, thus you buy it. Apple will want you to think there's benefits too so you buy a new iPhone, but until they offer it expect to see a plethora of comments explaining (IMHO accurately for the most part) why there aren't any.
Yes, this is the sixth scenario, which neither AI nor the original article have addressed, i.e. that 5G won't matter in the slightest for most people for at least three or four years, so Apple won't waste premature time or money on it.
IMHO 5G will matter a LOT to Apple as soon as they have the hardware and marketing in place to profit from it, even if the value to the buyer is still iffy. Apple's goal ain't protecting you from paying too much for a not-yet-mature tech that you don't need. They'll profit from selling it to you as soon as it makes business sense for them with all the needed chips/hardware in place even if the tech roll-out itself is still immature and you the buyer isn't realizing the benefits. As long as you believe you need it is good enough.
What are the advantages to having a phone, any phone, with 5G - currently or even in 2020? I understand that downloads would be significantly faster in theory. Even with that I don't know many people that are downloading things that require significant bandwidth on a regular basis. And, of course, having a faster download speed doesn't mean that whatever server I'm connected to can upload fast enough for me to notice.
You're correct, there might be no real-world benefit for most folks. Heck, how many people really need a 100+GB internet connection.
What matters to the companies selling this stuff is that you THINK there's benefits, thus you buy it. Apple will want you to think there's benefits too so you buy a new iPhone, but until they offer it expect to see a plethora of comments explaining (IMHO accurately for the most part) why there aren't any.
Yes, this is the sixth scenario, which neither AI nor the original article have addressed, i.e. that 5G won't matter in the slightest for most people for at least three or four years, so Apple won't waste premature time or money on it.
IMHO 5G will matter a LOT to Apple as soon as they have the hardware and marketing in place to profit from it, even if the value to the buyer is still iffy. Apple's goal ain't protecting you from paying too much for a not-yet-mature tech that you don't need. They'll profit from selling it to you as soon as it makes business sense for them with all the needed chips/hardware in place even if the tech roll-out itself is still immature and you the buyer isn't realizing the benefits. As long as you believe you need it is good enough.
Not what I said.
Apple didn't support 4G for quite a while after it was available. I don't see them doing much different with 5G, especially given the dearth of compatible modems.
What are the advantages to having a phone, any phone, with 5G - currently or even in 2020? I understand that downloads would be significantly faster in theory. Even with that I don't know many people that are downloading things that require significant bandwidth on a regular basis. And, of course, having a faster download speed doesn't mean that whatever server I'm connected to can upload fast enough for me to notice.
You're correct, there might be no real-world benefit for most folks. Heck, how many people really need a 100+GB internet connection.
What matters to the companies selling this stuff is that you THINK there's benefits, thus you buy it. Apple will want you to think there's benefits too so you buy a new iPhone, but until they offer it expect to see a plethora of comments explaining (IMHO accurately for the most part) why there aren't any.
Yes, this is the sixth scenario, which neither AI nor the original article have addressed, i.e. that 5G won't matter in the slightest for most people for at least three or four years, so Apple won't waste premature time or money on it.
IMHO 5G will matter a LOT to Apple as soon as they have the hardware and marketing in place to profit from it, even if the value to the buyer is still iffy. Apple's goal ain't protecting you from paying too much for a not-yet-mature tech that you don't need. They'll profit from selling it to you as soon as it makes business sense for them with all the needed chips/hardware in place even if the tech roll-out itself is still immature and you the buyer isn't realizing the benefits. As long as you believe you need it is good enough.
Not what I said.
Apple didn't support 4G for quite a while after it was available. I don't see them doing much different with 5G, especially given the dearth of compatible modems.
Apple wouldn't be wasting time or money on it if there's good profit to be made. The hardware is the holdup and not the immaturity of the tech and it's value IMHO.
This isn't an option today as, AFAIK, Huawei doesn't licence its chipsets. This is also referenced in the article.
I don't think they couldn't be persuaded though but there are politically sensitive issues that would make the idea a 'no go' in the US.
It wouldn't make sense to use Balong 5000 outside the US either as Apple wants its phones to have similar performance everywhere and they would find themselves having to cap its performance. Apple also wants to have the modem on the SoC.
Right now, the biggest issue for Apple is the speed of the 5G roll out and having competitors shipping devices - now - with the 5G buzzwords
The faster the roll out, the more Apple will notice impact of not having a 5G phone.
Huawei 5G tech is going to get installed worldwide. See all the countries refusing to go along with the USA mini-boycott of Huawei. Apple already has license agreements with Huawei, so adding on its 5G tech solves a number of problems: it allows Apple to build 5G into SOC it promotes the more advanced Huawei 5G tech, it “solves” the so-called “security” problem of using Huawei chips while Huawei gets licensing revenue.
It is reported that Apple licences lots of patents from Huawei but I am not aware of them licencing any chipsets to third parties with the exception of those destined for imaging (cameras, TVs etc).
I think that Apple would like to have a modem on the SoC (just like Huawei does with the Kirin 980) for example because of the advantages involved. The Kirin 980 recently won an award for its LTE support.
The problem is that right now the Balong 5000 isn't on the Kirin 980 although rumours swirl about a Kirin 990 that might better accommodate Balong 5000.
When Huawei announced the Ascend line of chipsets they said they were not competing with intel or Qualcomm as their chips would not be available to hardware makers. I believe the same approach is applicable to Huawei modems.
What are the advantages to having a phone, any phone, with 5G - currently or even in 2020? I understand that downloads would be significantly faster in theory. Even with that I don't know many people that are downloading things that require significant bandwidth on a regular basis. And, of course, having a faster download speed doesn't mean that whatever server I'm connected to can upload fast enough for me to notice.
You're correct, there might be no real-world benefit for most folks. Heck, how many people really need a 100+GB internet connection.
What matters to the companies selling this stuff is that you THINK there's benefits, thus you buy it. Apple will want you to think there's benefits too so you buy a new iPhone, but until they offer it expect to see a plethora of comments explaining (IMHO accurately for the most part) why there aren't any.
Yes, this is the sixth scenario, which neither AI nor the original article have addressed, i.e. that 5G won't matter in the slightest for most people for at least three or four years, so Apple won't waste premature time or money on it.
IMHO 5G will matter a LOT to Apple as soon as they have the hardware and marketing in place to profit from it, even if the value to the buyer is still iffy. Apple's goal ain't protecting you from paying too much for a not-yet-mature tech that you don't need. They'll profit from selling it to you as soon as it makes business sense for them with all the needed chips/hardware in place even if the tech roll-out itself is still immature and you the buyer isn't realizing the benefits. As long as you believe you need it is good enough.
Not what I said.
Apple didn't support 4G for quite a while after it was available. I don't see them doing much different with 5G, especially given the dearth of compatible modems.
Apple wouldn't be wasting time or money on it if there's good profit to be made. The hardware is the holdup and not the immaturity of the tech and it's value IMHO.
What are the advantages to having a phone, any phone, with 5G - currently or even in 2020? I understand that downloads would be significantly faster in theory. Even with that I don't know many people that are downloading things that require significant bandwidth on a regular basis. And, of course, having a faster download speed doesn't mean that whatever server I'm connected to can upload fast enough for me to notice.
You're correct, there might be no real-world benefit for most folks. Heck, how many people really need a 100+GB internet connection.
What matters to the companies selling this stuff is that you THINK there's benefits, thus you buy it. Apple will want you to think there's benefits too so you buy a new iPhone, but until they offer it expect to see a plethora of comments explaining (IMHO accurately for the most part) why there aren't any.
Yes, this is the sixth scenario, which neither AI nor the original article have addressed, i.e. that 5G won't matter in the slightest for most people for at least three or four years, so Apple won't waste premature time or money on it.
IMHO 5G will matter a LOT to Apple as soon as they have the hardware and marketing in place to profit from it, even if the value to the buyer is still iffy. Apple's goal ain't protecting you from paying too much for a not-yet-mature tech that you don't need. They'll profit from selling it to you as soon as it makes business sense for them with all the needed chips/hardware in place even if the tech roll-out itself is still immature and you the buyer isn't realizing the benefits. As long as you believe you need it is good enough.
Not what I said.
Apple didn't support 4G for quite a while after it was available. I don't see them doing much different with 5G, especially given the dearth of compatible modems.
Apple wouldn't be wasting time or money on it if there's good profit to be made. The hardware is the holdup and not the immaturity of the tech and it's value IMHO.
It's a bit of a catch-22. There's no way for the tech to be functional and meet its potential if the hardware isn't there to support it, but this is also a good reason to hold off - if the hardware isn't mature then why rush?
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Like others have said, there will be very limited 5G availability within the next 2 years much less use. Gatorguy is right, though - it's more about image and what people think they need rather than what they actually need. It's also hard for Apple to market itself as a 'premium, top of the line' phone if it's missing features perceived as critical.
$7.50 per device plus the cost of the chip itself (which is probably also inflated.) I don't know sales numbers, but as I recall,they are tens to perhaps 100M. That would mean half a billion dollars strictly in royalties that the chipmaker is presumably paying already. I can't blame Apple for fighting back.
The unfortunate thing here is that QC is in a monopoly position with regards to 5G modems, meaning the extortion will continue.
Of course Apple was in an ideal position compared to other licensees as Qualcomm offered them discounts and rebates that reduced their royalties to half or less of what some other OEM's were paying for licenses to the same IP packages.
Sometimes Apple creates new products out of resentment like Maps, and even though that example isn’t a good one, don’t think they haven’t learned if they are going to take on a successful product, they better have a better one or its Maps all over again.
I don't think they couldn't be persuaded though but there are politically sensitive issues that would make the idea a 'no go' in the US.
It wouldn't make sense to use Balong 5000 outside the US either as Apple wants its phones to have similar performance everywhere and they would find themselves having to cap its performance. Apple also wants to have the modem on the SoC.
Right now, the biggest issue for Apple is the speed of the 5G roll out and having competitors shipping devices - now - with the 5G buzzwords
The faster the roll out, the more Apple will notice impact of not having a 5G phone.
This industry is alive because of technology-push: high-tech that actually doesn’t fulfill its importance until clever marketing and new appliances make the difference. It’s not you, but Apple who will have a big issue when they are amongst the few 5G have-nots in 2020.
Sadly, it’s aging/stagnant Board of pensionado’s is playing the “never-mind” game as they can do because of customers like you.
You can try to obscure it with statistics, but we’re talking about hundreds of millions of dollars. Should any company willingly give up that much money ‘just because they make a lot more?’
Its so silly to let politics restrict technological progress.
Apple didn't support 4G for quite a while after it was available. I don't see them doing much different with 5G, especially given the dearth of compatible modems.
I think that Apple would like to have a modem on the SoC (just like Huawei does with the Kirin 980) for example because of the advantages involved. The Kirin 980 recently won an award for its LTE support.
The problem is that right now the Balong 5000 isn't on the Kirin 980 although rumours swirl about a Kirin 990 that might better accommodate Balong 5000.
When Huawei announced the Ascend line of chipsets they said they were not competing with intel or Qualcomm as their chips would not be available to hardware makers. I believe the same approach is applicable to Huawei modems.