Your Mac could wirelessly power keyboards and mice at a distance in the future

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  • Reply 21 of 47
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,788member

    ElCapitan said:
    It's funny, I just had to replace the batteries in my iMac's trackpad yesterday.  For whatever reason, it's been burning through AA batteries and I thought that it would be great to have a more seamless process for keeping it charged.  For the small amount of charge needed to run a keyboard and trackpad or mouse, the wireless charge may actually be enough to keep the devices running with just a very small battery to make startup happen faster.
    Yea but what you’re using isn’t even current. The newer Magic Trackpad is a dream. Entirely force touch, and recharges via Lightning, maybe once per 2 months. Keeping a lightning cable dangling nearby isn’t exactly uncommon or inconvenient either. 

    The mouse has a tendency to only alert you at 2% remaining charge and then you have to go 



    for half an hour in the middle of a work session. I'd prefer a mouse that could have a cable attached for charing while being used. 
    Wrong. Two minute quick charge. Do you pee or get water or coffee? 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 22 of 47
    hexclockhexclock Posts: 1,232member
    lkrupp said:
    Just last night my local NBC station presented a consumer piece asking whether Apple’s AirPods cause cancer. Why they singled out Apple I understand but it made it look like only Apple’s product was under scrutiny. Expect to see more of these questionable reports in the future. More research is needed of course but the public is inclined to believe anything it sees or hears. Transmitting power over the air will drive the “everything causes cancer” believers bonkers.
    I saw something like that also the other day, on a different news outlet. They spoke as if unaware that we are constantly bathed in electromagnetic radiation of all wavelengths from a variety of sources, not the least of which being the sun. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 23 of 47
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,697member
    ElCapitan said:
    It's funny, I just had to replace the batteries in my iMac's trackpad yesterday.  For whatever reason, it's been burning through AA batteries and I thought that it would be great to have a more seamless process for keeping it charged.  For the small amount of charge needed to run a keyboard and trackpad or mouse, the wireless charge may actually be enough to keep the devices running with just a very small battery to make startup happen faster.
    Yea but what you’re using isn’t even current. The newer Magic Trackpad is a dream. Entirely force touch, and recharges via Lightning, maybe once per 2 months. Keeping a lightning cable dangling nearby isn’t exactly uncommon or inconvenient either. 

    The mouse has a tendency to only alert you at 2% remaining charge and then you have to go 



    for half an hour in the middle of a work session. I'd prefer a mouse that could have a cable attached for charing while being used. 
    I've posted this at least ten times ... "put the frickin' port in the mouse's ass!'  Then you could keep working as it charges.  I've had to dig out an old wired mouse that is just horrible to use, so I can keep working when my Magic Mouse II dies.  Working on multiple screens often in DTR it is easy to miss a 2% warning.
    edited March 2019 ravnorodomElCapitandysamoria
  • Reply 24 of 47
    deminsddeminsd Posts: 143member
    deminsd said:
    mjtomlin said:
    Apple has been "working" on this tech for several years now. In fact, this patent was filed in 2015.

    This is my idea of real wireless charging. Setting a device in a fairly specific location to charge is less then ideal, in fact it's worse than wired charging, because at least you can still pick the device up and use it while it's charging.
    Not so with the Magic Mouse, where Apple, in their infinite wisdom, decided to put the Lightning charge port on the BOTTOM of the mouse instead of at the head so you can still use it while it's recharging.  The product of highly paid engineers.
    The comment of highly uneducated bloggers. 
    Which part of my comment is untrue?  None of it.  
    dysamoriaravnorodom
  • Reply 25 of 47
    MacProMacPro Posts: 19,697member
    mjtomlin said:
    ...in fact it's worse than wired charging, because at least you can still pick the device up and use it while it's charging.
    I have Apple Wireless Mouse 2. You can't charge it while using it. It baffles me tremendously. I still have Apple Mouse 1 as a backup.
    There is nothing baffling about at it all. The mouse needs to be charged maybe once a month, for a few minutes. The entire design of the mouse would have been compromised by doing something as ridiculous as putting the port on the front of it, just so people like you could do something they don’t need to do in the first place.
    On the front would be insane!  In it's ass and it would be just like a wired mouse, what's the harm?
    edited March 2019
  • Reply 26 of 47
    eightzeroeightzero Posts: 3,046member
    ElCapitan said:
    As if we don't have enough radiation in our environment, and 5G will not make it better. 
    lkrupp said:
    Just last night my local NBC station presented a consumer piece asking whether Apple’s AirPods cause cancer. Why they singled out Apple I understand but it made it look like only Apple’s product was under scrutiny. Expect to see more of these questionable reports in the future. More research is needed of course but the public is inclined to believe anything it sees or hears. Transmitting power over the air will drive the “everything causes cancer” believers bonkers.

    So long as my risk for the autism doesn't go up, I'm fine with it. 
  • Reply 27 of 47
    This type of solution would be awesome. I love the current wireless keyboard and magic trackpad combo, but never having to connect to charge would be ideal. 
  • Reply 28 of 47
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,894member
    deminsd said:
    mjtomlin said:
    Apple has been "working" on this tech for several years now. In fact, this patent was filed in 2015.

    This is my idea of real wireless charging. Setting a device in a fairly specific location to charge is less then ideal, in fact it's worse than wired charging, because at least you can still pick the device up and use it while it's charging.
    Not so with the Magic Mouse, where Apple, in their infinite wisdom, decided to put the Lightning charge port on the BOTTOM of the mouse instead of at the head so you can still use it while it's recharging.  The product of highly paid engineers.
    Wrong. The entire top and front of the mouse is the touch surface, so putting a hole there ruins it. 

    In my experience the only people with your complaint are people who don’t own and use the mouse daily. I do. It gets months on a full charge. If i’ve forgotten to charge it, 1-2 mins quick charge while I read an email or get a coffee or pee and it’s good for the day. You don’t have 1-2 minutes to spare? Uh huh. 

    Entirely worth the supposed compromise.
    Totally not worth the compromise, and the compromise was completely unnecessary. The touch surface excuse is just that - an excuse. All they needed to do was put a notch at the front edge of the mouse to allow the lightning connector. You never use that part of the surface anyway. Problem solved. what kind of engineer thinks that putting the port on the bottom where it makes the device unusable? That's the marketing people worrying more about aesthetics than usability.

    I've never understood the obsession with wireless keyboards and mice anyway - The wires never bothered me much with either, certainly not to the point that the hassle of dealing with charging issues was worth it to me, and the old wired keyboard had 2 USB ports which were much more convenient than the back of my iMac. On top of that, we regularly have connection issues with the Apple bluetooth mice and keyboards. in our office; sometimes you need the wireless connectivity, but if you don't, why add the complexity?
    ravnorodomdysamoria
  • Reply 29 of 47
    MplsPMplsP Posts: 3,894member
    eightzero said:
    ElCapitan said:
    As if we don't have enough radiation in our environment, and 5G will not make it better. 
    lkrupp said:
    Just last night my local NBC station presented a consumer piece asking whether Apple’s AirPods cause cancer. Why they singled out Apple I understand but it made it look like only Apple’s product was under scrutiny. Expect to see more of these questionable reports in the future. More research is needed of course but the public is inclined to believe anything it sees or hears. Transmitting power over the air will drive the “everything causes cancer” believers bonkers.

    So long as my risk for the autism doesn't go up, I'm fine with it. 
    You're safe - you only get autism from vaccines. At least that's what the internet told me. /s
  • Reply 30 of 47
    ElCapitanElCapitan Posts: 372member

    ElCapitan said:
    It's funny, I just had to replace the batteries in my iMac's trackpad yesterday.  For whatever reason, it's been burning through AA batteries and I thought that it would be great to have a more seamless process for keeping it charged.  For the small amount of charge needed to run a keyboard and trackpad or mouse, the wireless charge may actually be enough to keep the devices running with just a very small battery to make startup happen faster.
    Yea but what you’re using isn’t even current. The newer Magic Trackpad is a dream. Entirely force touch, and recharges via Lightning, maybe once per 2 months. Keeping a lightning cable dangling nearby isn’t exactly uncommon or inconvenient either. 

    The mouse has a tendency to only alert you at 2% remaining charge and then you have to go 



    for half an hour in the middle of a work session. I'd prefer a mouse that could have a cable attached for charing while being used. 
    Wrong. Two minute quick charge. Do you pee or get water or coffee? 

    An answer fresh from the "Can't innovate, my ass" Department?

    Do you have any idea how annoying and disruptive it is when the mouse goes belly up on you in the middle of a concentrated debugging or coding session? You completely lose your train of thought. – Makes you wanna pee on the mouse.

    ravnorodomentropys
  • Reply 31 of 47
    eightzeroeightzero Posts: 3,046member
    ElCapitan said:

    ElCapitan said:
    It's funny, I just had to replace the batteries in my iMac's trackpad yesterday.  For whatever reason, it's been burning through AA batteries and I thought that it would be great to have a more seamless process for keeping it charged.  For the small amount of charge needed to run a keyboard and trackpad or mouse, the wireless charge may actually be enough to keep the devices running with just a very small battery to make startup happen faster.
    Yea but what you’re using isn’t even current. The newer Magic Trackpad is a dream. Entirely force touch, and recharges via Lightning, maybe once per 2 months. Keeping a lightning cable dangling nearby isn’t exactly uncommon or inconvenient either. 

    The mouse has a tendency to only alert you at 2% remaining charge and then you have to go 



    for half an hour in the middle of a work session. I'd prefer a mouse that could have a cable attached for charing while being used. 
    Wrong. Two minute quick charge. Do you pee or get water or coffee? 

    An answer fresh from the "Can't innovate, my ass" Department?

    Do you have any idea how annoying and disruptive it is when the mouse goes belly up on you in the middle of a concentrated debugging or coding session? You completely lose your train of thought. – Makes you wanna pee on the mouse.

    Long ago, I bought a Magic Trackpad, because I thought it was cool. I didn't like it. It sits next to my maus, unpowered. I completely get the idea of having a backup for mission-critical operations. Disruptive, and imperfect technology? Yep, and maybe Apple is guilty of making something imperfect. But like driving a 737, maybe have a plan to deal with unexpected situations in advance. 
  • Reply 32 of 47
    ElCapitanElCapitan Posts: 372member
    eightzero said:
    ElCapitan said:

    ElCapitan said:
    It's funny, I just had to replace the batteries in my iMac's trackpad yesterday.  For whatever reason, it's been burning through AA batteries and I thought that it would be great to have a more seamless process for keeping it charged.  For the small amount of charge needed to run a keyboard and trackpad or mouse, the wireless charge may actually be enough to keep the devices running with just a very small battery to make startup happen faster.
    Yea but what you’re using isn’t even current. The newer Magic Trackpad is a dream. Entirely force touch, and recharges via Lightning, maybe once per 2 months. Keeping a lightning cable dangling nearby isn’t exactly uncommon or inconvenient either. 

    The mouse has a tendency to only alert you at 2% remaining charge and then you have to go 



    for half an hour in the middle of a work session. I'd prefer a mouse that could have a cable attached for charing while being used. 
    Wrong. Two minute quick charge. Do you pee or get water or coffee? 

    An answer fresh from the "Can't innovate, my ass" Department?

    Do you have any idea how annoying and disruptive it is when the mouse goes belly up on you in the middle of a concentrated debugging or coding session? You completely lose your train of thought. – Makes you wanna pee on the mouse.

    Long ago, I bought a Magic Trackpad, because I thought it was cool. I didn't like it. It sits next to my maus, unpowered. I completely get the idea of having a backup for mission-critical operations. Disruptive, and imperfect technology? Yep, and maybe Apple is guilty of making something imperfect. But like driving a 737, maybe have a plan to deal with unexpected situations in advance. 
    It used to be that the system warned you when the mouse was 12% and 5% short of power, but now someone in their infinite wisdom have set the number to 2% and it goes black on you a few minutes later. With the 12% and 5% message, you actually had a chance to plan ahead without having to micro manage your devices. 
  • Reply 33 of 47
    eightzeroeightzero Posts: 3,046member
    MplsP said:
    eightzero said:
    ElCapitan said:
    As if we don't have enough radiation in our environment, and 5G will not make it better. 
    lkrupp said:
    Just last night my local NBC station presented a consumer piece asking whether Apple’s AirPods cause cancer. Why they singled out Apple I understand but it made it look like only Apple’s product was under scrutiny. Expect to see more of these questionable reports in the future. More research is needed of course but the public is inclined to believe anything it sees or hears. Transmitting power over the air will drive the “everything causes cancer” believers bonkers.

    So long as my risk for the autism doesn't go up, I'm fine with it. 
    You're safe - you only get autism from vaccines. At least that's what the internet told me. /s
    And Apple is Doomed.  I'v read that here on AI enough. This Maus Defect(tm) is probably responsible for oh, about 100 points in AAPL stock. When AAPL puts this kind of crap out, how can we trust Tim Apple at all? He probably has an office in the basement of a pizza parlor. Look it up, sheeple. Get SOG on the case.

  • Reply 34 of 47
    mjtomlinmjtomlin Posts: 2,673member
    deminsd said:
    mjtomlin said:
    Apple has been "working" on this tech for several years now. In fact, this patent was filed in 2015.

    This is my idea of real wireless charging. Setting a device in a fairly specific location to charge is less then ideal, in fact it's worse than wired charging, because at least you can still pick the device up and use it while it's charging.
    Not so with the Magic Mouse, where Apple, in their infinite wisdom, decided to put the Lightning charge port on the BOTTOM of the mouse instead of at the head so you can still use it while it's recharging.  The product of highly paid engineers.

    Most people walk away from their computers and stay away for fairly long periods of time when they're done using them. Not so much with phones where they're usually kept within reach and constantly being used. So, I was obviously referring to a device that falls under the latter use case, because ...

    1. No one picks up a mouse to use it.
    2. A wireless charging mouse could possibly still be used while it was on a charging pad.

    Also, you have no idea why they HAD to put the Lightning port on the bottom. I highly doubt it was a "F*ck it!" moment and they just did it. It's a compromise to get a rechargeable battery into the mouse without redesigning the entire mouse. Is it a little weird? Yes, it is... But having a rechargeable battery with the charging port on the bottom is a lot more convenient than having to keep replacing batteries, which you sometimes run out of.

    A little context and perspective goes a long way.
  • Reply 35 of 47
    mjtomlinmjtomlin Posts: 2,673member

    ElCapitan said:
    It's funny, I just had to replace the batteries in my iMac's trackpad yesterday.  For whatever reason, it's been burning through AA batteries and I thought that it would be great to have a more seamless process for keeping it charged.  For the small amount of charge needed to run a keyboard and trackpad or mouse, the wireless charge may actually be enough to keep the devices running with just a very small battery to make startup happen faster.
    Yea but what you’re using isn’t even current. The newer Magic Trackpad is a dream. Entirely force touch, and recharges via Lightning, maybe once per 2 months. Keeping a lightning cable dangling nearby isn’t exactly uncommon or inconvenient either. 

    The mouse has a tendency to only alert you at 2% remaining charge and then you have to go 



    for half an hour in the middle of a work session. I'd prefer a mouse that could have a cable attached for charing while being used. 

    Yep. Exactly! Everyday, sometimes twice a day, while I'm working, my mouse battery completely drains and I'm stuck waiting for 30 minutes for it to completely recharge and I can get back to work.

    /s

    Give me a break! You act as if the worst case scenario happens all the time. And that you're stuck in some catatonic state waiting for it to completely recharge. How about plug it in, stand up for a minute or so, then get back to work. Using the mouse as your reason for being unproductive and lazy is just... extremely brilliant!!!
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 36 of 47
    ElCapitanElCapitan Posts: 372member
    mjtomlin said:
    deminsd said:
    mjtomlin said:
    Apple has been "working" on this tech for several years now. In fact, this patent was filed in 2015.

    This is my idea of real wireless charging. Setting a device in a fairly specific location to charge is less then ideal, in fact it's worse than wired charging, because at least you can still pick the device up and use it while it's charging.
    Not so with the Magic Mouse, where Apple, in their infinite wisdom, decided to put the Lightning charge port on the BOTTOM of the mouse instead of at the head so you can still use it while it's recharging.  The product of highly paid engineers.

    Most people walk away from their computers and stay away for fairly long periods of time when they're done using them. Not so much with phones where they're usually kept within reach and constantly being used. So, I was obviously referring to a device that falls under the latter use case, because ...

    1. No one picks up a mouse to use it.
    2. A wireless charging mouse could possibly still be used while it was on a charging pad.

    Also, you have no idea why they HAD to put the Lightning port on the bottom. I highly doubt it was a "F*ck it!" moment and they just did it. It's a compromise to get a rechargeable battery into the mouse without redesigning the entire mouse. Is it a little weird? Yes, it is... But having a rechargeable battery with the charging port on the bottom is a lot more convenient than having to keep replacing batteries, which you sometimes run out of.

    A little context and perspective goes a long way.
    I am sure the engineering challenge of running a piece of cord from a plug at the end of a device to an internal battery and charge regulator is almost insurmountable. 

    In a parallel universe Apple ships millions of devices every month where this novel concept is used and perfected, in a device body often with far smaller volume than said mouse.  /s
  • Reply 37 of 47
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    What is with the wireless obsession?? First it was chew through batteries, and now it’s throw away the device when the rechargeable wears out. Like we need more waste and more sources of EMI.
  • Reply 38 of 47
    ElCapitanElCapitan Posts: 372member
    mjtomlin said:

    ElCapitan said:
    It's funny, I just had to replace the batteries in my iMac's trackpad yesterday.  For whatever reason, it's been burning through AA batteries and I thought that it would be great to have a more seamless process for keeping it charged.  For the small amount of charge needed to run a keyboard and trackpad or mouse, the wireless charge may actually be enough to keep the devices running with just a very small battery to make startup happen faster.
    Yea but what you’re using isn’t even current. The newer Magic Trackpad is a dream. Entirely force touch, and recharges via Lightning, maybe once per 2 months. Keeping a lightning cable dangling nearby isn’t exactly uncommon or inconvenient either. 

    The mouse has a tendency to only alert you at 2% remaining charge and then you have to go 



    for half an hour in the middle of a work session. I'd prefer a mouse that could have a cable attached for charing while being used. 

    Yep. Exactly! Everyday, sometimes twice a day, while I'm working, my mouse battery completely drains and I'm stuck waiting for 30 minutes for it to completely recharge and I can get back to work.

    /s

    Give me a break! You act as if the worst case scenario happens all the time. And that you're stuck in some catatonic state waiting for it to completely recharge. How about plug it in, stand up for a minute or so, then get back to work. Using the mouse as your reason for being unproductive and lazy is just... extremely brilliant!!!
    I hope you enjoyed your 2 seconds of nerd rage infused adrenalin kick sharing your perspective with us. 
  • Reply 39 of 47
    GG1GG1 Posts: 483member
    dysamoria said:
    What is with the wireless obsession?? First it was chew through batteries, and now it’s throw away the device when the rechargeable wears out. Like we need more waste and more sources of EMI.
    Here's another one for you: security over the wireless link.

    dysamoria
  • Reply 40 of 47
    Yay!  An even more inefficient way to recharge batteries than contact wireless.

    A solution in search of a problem.
    dysamoria
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