Apple's services event receives rocky reception from industry and critics

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  • Reply 41 of 47
    razorpitrazorpit Posts: 1,796member
    lmac said:
    The iMac and iPhone shouldn’t be on that list.  They were perceived as breakthroughs by many.  I remember the reaction here to the iPod...definitely “meh.”  The exact quote was “that’s it?  It’s an MP3 player?”   The iPad was considered a big iPod touch.  A little more than “meh” but not game changing.  
    You're absolutely right. iOS was meh until the App Store came along a few years later. Third party developers saved iOS and turned it into a huge profit center for Apple that the people within Apple didn't originally anticipate.
    What alternate universe do you live in? iOS was a game changer. Outside of the Sony/Windows/Palm/Nokia/BlackBerry PR departments no one thought iOS was "meh". It might have been missing a few things but no one else had anything remotely close to the original AppStore when it came out a year later. The only thing I thing they dropped the ball on was cut/copy/paste. And surprisingly even that wasn't as big of a deal when Microsoft did the exact same thing years later with the Windows Mobile relaunch thing.

    Apple has had a lot of missteps lately, but give credit where credit is due. iOS was a game changer from day 1.
  • Reply 42 of 47
    My only issue with the Apple News service is the whole "curated" thing.  What does that actually mean?  Will they be deciding on what content makes it through?  Will they be judging what makes it through based on some standard of quality?  If so, whose?  Will articles be rejected if they contain content that Apple doesn't like?

    Without commenting on Apple's absolute right to publish or not publish anything that they're "curating," all of the publications and sources I read already have an editorial staff that does all the "curating" for that publication.  I know what they publish, and I read different sources in order to get the different perspectives. If Apple is going to further curate what goes through and what doesn't, that has less value to me than reading the original, since now I have to go to yet another source for the stuff Apple doesn't want to publish.  Without the same level of confidence of what Apple is holding back as I have with the other sources I read, that's going to be a PITA for a while.

    It might be worth the price, I'll just have to see.
  • Reply 43 of 47
    jcs2305jcs2305 Posts: 1,336member
    lmac said:
    Tim Cooks Ward Cleaver and Mr Rogers approach to TV is going to be a billion dollar bomb. If they cant make a wireless charging mat work with Qi already out there as an example of what to copy, and they cant make a working laptop keyboard, i’ve got to laugh at the arrogance that they think they still have the ability to disrupt anything. They are a big profitable corporation led by a guy with no vision and willing to take no risks. Stocks will be fine, but Apple is becoming like Yahoo...not the best at anything. As a stockholder i find this lack of focus on core products frustrating.
    Just because you have an ax to grind doesn’t mean you should make shit up to have a reason. Apple never said they couldn’t make a simple Qi charging mat actually. What they couldn’t get right was the ability to be able to charge from anywhere you set the device at on the mat.  Currently you need to align things correctly or the connection isn’t made and the device won’t charge. 

    As a stock holder I thought you would Be interested enough to pay attention to the details of products as they are released, or not released which was the case with AirPower? 
  • Reply 44 of 47
    jcs2305jcs2305 Posts: 1,336member

    HenryDJP said:
    Apple does not trust its own customers to make decisions for themselves. That is why you can't side load apps on iOS. It is why apps can't do things in the background or with the screen off. It is why you can't put custom faces on an Apple Watch. It is why you cannot scan WiFi for nearby routers. It is why there is absolutely no adult content on any of Apple's services. Apple won't even add an option users can turn on to remove these restrictions. You are just not allowed to do it because Apple said so.

    Now Apple is starting a TV network with carefully curated content. No controversial subjects will be allowed. Nothing that will really challenge our deeply held beliefs. Nothing that anyone anywhere will consider offensive. No real risk taking. We can expect some shows to pass Apple's muster at first but later be pulled when they accidentally trip over a subject that is suddenly controversial or Apple takes a dislike to. That is what Apple does on its App Store. God help the producers if any of their talent do anything to upset Apple's sensibilities at any point in the future.

    Plain vanilla, white washed good time rock and roll BS. Speaking of BS, do you think that show would appear on Apple's TV+? I think not.
    "No controversial subjects will be allowed. Nothing that will really challenge our deeply held beliefs."

    This might be a surprise to you but not everyone wants or needs content that's filled with sexual content, porn, killing, fighting, political, offensiveness and corrupt nonsense. 

    " God help the producers if any of their talent do anything to upset Apple's sensibilities at any point in the future."

    God help you.
    But some people do want edgier or adult themed programming without needless gore and porn. That’s actually a ridiculous comment to make, as not all adult content fits into these extreme categories. Sometimes there are adult themed shows that discuss adult content and just isn’t meant for kids.  Doesnt mean it’s for or porn my goodness. 

    Apple has millions of potential subscribers in its user base. Not all of them want straight vanilla programming. Why is that a bad thing. People want what they want when they pay their money for it. If this were a free add on no problem, but if people are paying they should have a say in what programming they are willing to pay for. You and others here seem to think only some sort of deviant wants more than just non controversial , non adult themed content. God has nothing to do with any of this...btw. Narrow minded thinking has everything to do with it actually.

    Lighten up ... 
  • Reply 45 of 47
    brucemcbrucemc Posts: 1,541member
    Apple does not trust its own customers to make decisions for themselves. That is why you can't side load apps on iOS. It is why apps can't do things in the background or with the screen off. It is why you can't put custom faces on an Apple Watch. It is why you cannot scan WiFi for nearby routers. It is why there is absolutely no adult content on any of Apple's services. Apple won't even add an option users can turn on to remove these restrictions. You are just not allowed to do it because Apple said so.

    Now Apple is starting a TV network with carefully curated content. No controversial subjects will be allowed. Nothing that will really challenge our deeply held beliefs. Nothing that anyone anywhere will consider offensive. No real risk taking. We can expect some shows to pass Apple's muster at first but later be pulled when they accidentally trip over a subject that is suddenly controversial or Apple takes a dislike to. That is what Apple does on its App Store. God help the producers if any of their talent do anything to upset Apple's sensibilities at any point in the future.

    Plain vanilla, white washed good time rock and roll BS. Speaking of BS, do you think that show would appear on Apple's TV+? I think not.
    Fortunately for you, there is a dominant mobile OS that has a wide variety of h/w devices and supports multiple app stores, that does exactly what you describe.  Android has all the features you want, and all of the global 3rd party services a person would want are on Android (nothing exclusive to Apple except their own services, which you claim you do not like).

    Why would you want Apple to replicate what Android already has?  Apple provides an alternative to that, and there are many (like me) who prefer a more secure and integrated approach.

    Everyone wins with the choices above - why do you want to ruin it?
  • Reply 46 of 47
    nerdragenerdrage Posts: 15member
    mac_128 said:
    larrya said: Breaking: I have received insider information on the show expected to be the most popular and most inoffensive on Apple TV.
    You don't need insider information. It's common knowledge that R-rated material is not as commercially successful overall as PG-13 or lower. How many of Marvel's movies are rated R, for example? Is Star Wars an R-rated franchise? 
    That’s fairly specious reasoning. If Marvel only made R-rated movies, your contention is that it would not be as successful since they chose not to release many R-rated movies now. The fact is, the one R-rated movie series Marvel made, DEADPOOL, is the 10th highest ranked movie in the franchise, and the 6th highest in the last 5 years. DEADPOOL 2, is the 15th highest ranked movie. That’s out of 55 films released in the last 20 years. Given that it earned as much as many of the top Marvel PG-rated films, one could assume it’s not all adults only that are seeing the film, although using your reasoning, I suppose the audience for an R-rated DEADPOOL is entirely unique to that film, and otherwise do not watch PG-13 Marvel films? Either way, it is a very successful film series for Marvel, and its R-rating doesn’t appear to hamper its success in any way.
    The argument about R-rated or not misses the wider point that Apple has no Marvel, no Star Wars, no Game of Thrones level brand, yet needs to compete with two companies who have bought their own arsenals of huge brands and are poised to use them in the streaming wars.

    Star Wars is PG-13 at most, Marvel can be G or R, Game of Thrones is definitely R. Those are features of the brands, but it's the brands themselves that are valuable. Apple need brands like them. There aren't many to go around, and the ones still purchasable (in theory) are Star Wars PG-13 types: Star Trek (well I could see that going R); Jurassic Park; Harry Potter. That sort. Maybe get James Bond too. Make exclusive series based on those brands only available by subscribing to AppleTV+ and then they might have something.
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