As usual Apple will get hammered by the techie crowd but you know what? It doesn’t matter and it won’t affect iPhone sales one little bit no matter how much the critics howl and yodel. We saw this with OLED screens and many other features introduced by other manufacturers. The “Apple is late to the game” narrative is old, tired, and meaningless.
I think equating OLED to 5G is a false equivalency. Historically, there are two primary things that have driven tech development and innovation: Moore's law and Communication. And, it is communication innovations that have produced the biggest paradigm shifts:
Originally communications was via dedicated lines between commercial computers that evolved into T1 & T3 lines. Then we went to dial-up and "You've Got Mail!" Then we went to DSL, Cable and FiOS speeds & bandwidth that spawned the proliferation of the internet and (lately) streaming. Now, with 5G, we will get that same speed and bandwidth without the cord.
It is a mistake, I think, to under estimate this.
(And, by the way, the guy living out in the hills of West Virginia complaining that "it won't help me!" is irrelevant)
Yes and no - it's similar in that people are getting worked up over a spec that has very little to no impact for the average user. Switching from 3G to 4G made a big, noticeable difference in use, but the ability to communicate will not be appreciably changed with 5G. There are other benefits to 5G, but faster communication is not one of them. Edit - I should clarify that I mean faster personal communication with your smartphone.
I wish we didn't use this horrible 'xG' moniker standard for cellular data types. Not only does the average consumer not understand what they mean, the average person tech forums doesn't either. I certainly couldn't tell you 1/10th of the tech spec differences between so-called '4G' and '5G'—only the broad strokes. The performance ranges are just too vast to be useful so you have the least technical people believing that an increase in a cardinal value for a generation will always result in better performance. I wish we could have a more reasonable standard for the nomenclature so that regardless of what the complex acronyms are being used your phone will always state a relative performance level for a given network connection.
Agreed, but It wouldn’t matter - the companies would muddy it up to make it look like they were doing something they weren’t. Just like AT&T with “5Ge”
As usual Apple will get hammered by the techie crowd but you know what? It doesn’t matter and it won’t affect iPhone sales one little bit no matter how much the critics howl and yodel. We saw this with OLED screens and many other features introduced by other manufacturers. The “Apple is late to the game” narrative is old, tired, and meaningless.
I agree that in 2019 there will be no impact on the sales.
But if Apple cannot deliver a 5G iPhone in 2020, this will hurt sales. Taking into account that phones are kept 3 years or more, this would mean that people who buy an iPhone in 2020 would only get 5G in 2023. For some users this could be a showstopper
You’re probably right - 5G on mobile phones is far more about perception than any actual use, even 2-3 year from now, but if the perception is that it’s necessary then it has the ability to affect sales. It’s the hardware developers’ version of keeping up with the Jones’. Hopefully that’s not reason enough for Apple to rush a sub-par 5G device to market before it’s ready. Thankfully that’s not how Apple has done it in the past.
It's not a matter of "quality" for Apple. It's a supply issue. They can't buy the necessary parts needed to build a 5G capable phone.
Of course quality matters to Apple. Even if there were an infinite supply of 1st gen '5G' chips that doesn't mean Apple would put expensive, large, and power-hungry radios into a device that couldn't reasonably be used by their customers. Do you really think the original iPhone didn't have '3G' because Apple couldn't get ahold enough of radios for that first year of low-volume sales? If a '5G' radio comes this year it's because several above-par factors made it possible.
As usual Apple will get hammered by the techie crowd but you know what? It doesn’t matter and it won’t affect iPhone sales one little bit no matter how much the critics howl and yodel. We saw this with OLED screens and many other features introduced by other manufacturers. The “Apple is late to the game” narrative is old, tired, and meaningless.
I think equating OLED to 5G is a false equivalency. Historically, there are two primary things that have driven tech development and innovation: Moore's law and Communication.
1) His comparison to OLED is just one of countless examples of the anti-Apple crowd hammering Apple for not being first to something that isn't feasible, whether it's from a lack of supply and/or a very narrow window of utility under the current specs.
2) Moore's Law has nothing to do with driving tech development or innovation. It's merely an astute (general) observation by Gordon Moore. At best, you can count it as an effect for a variety other causes.
I agree totally that quality matters to Apple. 100%. It’s just that that is not the issue with 5G - it’s a supply thing: Qualcomm won’t and Intel can’t.
They’re resourceful - Tim cut his teeth on these issues. I think he’ll surprise us.
As usual Apple will get hammered by the techie crowd but you know what? It doesn’t matter and it won’t affect iPhone sales one little bit no matter how much the critics howl and yodel. We saw this with OLED screens and many other features introduced by other manufacturers. The “Apple is late to the game” narrative is old, tired, and meaningless.
I think equating OLED to 5G is a false equivalency. Historically, there are two primary things that have driven tech development and innovation: Moore's law and Communication. And, it is communication innovations that have produced the biggest paradigm shifts:
Originally communications was via dedicated lines between commercial computers that evolved into T1 & T3 lines. Then we went to dial-up and "You've Got Mail!" Then we went to DSL, Cable and FiOS speeds & bandwidth that spawned the proliferation of the internet and (lately) streaming. Now, with 5G, we will get that same speed and bandwidth without the cord.
It is a mistake, I think, to under estimate this.
(And, by the way, the guy living out in the hills of West Virginia complaining that "it won't help me!" is irrelevant)
Yes and no - it's similar in that people are getting worked up over a spec that has very little to no impact for the average user. Switching from 3G to 4G made a big, noticeable difference in use, but the ability to communicate will not be appreciably changed with 5G. There are other benefits to 5G, but faster communication is not one of them. Edit - I should clarify that I mean faster personal communication with your smartphone.
Going from dial-up to LTE would have no effect either - if you just sat at your desktop checking AOL email
Living here in the sticks of Central PA where we're happy if we can get 4G service...
I’m in southeast pa and it depends (I’m on ATT). Closer to the Philly sub/exurbs (West Chester and towards the city) I get strong LTE. Towards the extreme West exurbs (where I live) it switches to 3G (which ATT calls 4G). Annoying. Then I upgrade to 12.2 and I get this bullshit:
As usual Apple will get hammered by the techie crowd but you know what? It doesn’t matter and it won’t affect iPhone sales one little bit no matter how much the critics howl and yodel. We saw this with OLED screens and many other features introduced by other manufacturers. The “Apple is late to the game” narrative is old, tired, and meaningless.
I think equating OLED to 5G is a false equivalency. Historically, there are two primary things that have driven tech development and innovation: Moore's law and Communication. And, it is communication innovations that have produced the biggest paradigm shifts:
Originally communications was via dedicated lines between commercial computers that evolved into T1 & T3 lines. Then we went to dial-up and "You've Got Mail!" Then we went to DSL, Cable and FiOS speeds & bandwidth that spawned the proliferation of the internet and (lately) streaming. Now, with 5G, we will get that same speed and bandwidth without the cord.
It is a mistake, I think, to under estimate this.
(And, by the way, the guy living out in the hills of West Virginia complaining that "it won't help me!" is irrelevant)
Yes and no - it's similar in that people are getting worked up over a spec that has very little to no impact for the average user. Switching from 3G to 4G made a big, noticeable difference in use, but the ability to communicate will not be appreciably changed with 5G. There are other benefits to 5G, but faster communication is not one of them. Edit - I should clarify that I mean faster personal communication with your smartphone.
Going from dial-up to LTE would have no effect either - if you just sat at your desktop checking AOL email
Since the vast majority of people don’t use their phone for anything more than facebook, 3G would be fine for them, but if a false, inaccurate analogy is the best you’ve got to make your point...
A better analogy would be like going from 100Mbit service to 1000Mbit service for one person. Your Netflix streams will start a millisecond earlier and look exactly the same.
As usual Apple will get hammered by the techie crowd but you know what? It doesn’t matter and it won’t affect iPhone sales one little bit no matter how much the critics howl and yodel. We saw this with OLED screens and many other features introduced by other manufacturers. The “Apple is late to the game” narrative is old, tired, and meaningless.
I think equating OLED to 5G is a false equivalency. Historically, there are two primary things that have driven tech development and innovation: Moore's law and Communication. And, it is communication innovations that have produced the biggest paradigm shifts:
Originally communications was via dedicated lines between commercial computers that evolved into T1 & T3 lines. Then we went to dial-up and "You've Got Mail!" Then we went to DSL, Cable and FiOS speeds & bandwidth that spawned the proliferation of the internet and (lately) streaming. Now, with 5G, we will get that same speed and bandwidth without the cord.
It is a mistake, I think, to under estimate this.
(And, by the way, the guy living out in the hills of West Virginia complaining that "it won't help me!" is irrelevant)
Yes and no - it's similar in that people are getting worked up over a spec that has very little to no impact for the average user. Switching from 3G to 4G made a big, noticeable difference in use, but the ability to communicate will not be appreciably changed with 5G. There are other benefits to 5G, but faster communication is not one of them. Edit - I should clarify that I mean faster personal communication with your smartphone.
Going from dial-up to LTE would have no effect either - if you just sat at your desktop checking AOL email
Since the vast majority of people don’t use their phone for anything more than facebook, 3G would be fine for them, but if a false, inaccurate analogy is the best you’ve got to make your point...
A better analogy would be like going from 100Mbit service to 1000Mbit service for one person. Your Netflix streams will start a millisecond earlier and look exactly the same.
So, you're still dialing into AOL on your desktop huh?
As usual Apple will get hammered by the techie crowd but you know what? It doesn’t matter and it won’t affect iPhone sales one little bit no matter how much the critics howl and yodel. We saw this with OLED screens and many other features introduced by other manufacturers. The “Apple is late to the game” narrative is old, tired, and meaningless.
I think equating OLED to 5G is a false equivalency. Historically, there are two primary things that have driven tech development and innovation: Moore's law and Communication. And, it is communication innovations that have produced the biggest paradigm shifts:
Originally communications was via dedicated lines between commercial computers that evolved into T1 & T3 lines. Then we went to dial-up and "You've Got Mail!" Then we went to DSL, Cable and FiOS speeds & bandwidth that spawned the proliferation of the internet and (lately) streaming. Now, with 5G, we will get that same speed and bandwidth without the cord.
It is a mistake, I think, to under estimate this.
(And, by the way, the guy living out in the hills of West Virginia complaining that "it won't help me!" is irrelevant)
Yes and no - it's similar in that people are getting worked up over a spec that has very little to no impact for the average user. Switching from 3G to 4G made a big, noticeable difference in use, but the ability to communicate will not be appreciably changed with 5G. There are other benefits to 5G, but faster communication is not one of them. Edit - I should clarify that I mean faster personal communication with your smartphone.
Going from dial-up to LTE would have no effect either - if you just sat at your desktop checking AOL email
Since the vast majority of people don’t use their phone for anything more than facebook, 3G would be fine for them, but if a false, inaccurate analogy is the best you’ve got to make your point...
A better analogy would be like going from 100Mbit service to 1000Mbit service for one person. Your Netflix streams will start a millisecond earlier and look exactly the same.
So, you're still dialing into AOL on your desktop huh?
No, but I’m done trying to understand irrational posts.
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They’re resourceful - Tim cut his teeth on these issues. I think he’ll surprise us.
A better analogy would be like going from 100Mbit service to 1000Mbit service for one person. Your Netflix streams will start a millisecond earlier and look exactly the same.