Qualcomm still wants to cooperate with Apple on a 5G iPhone

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  • Reply 21 of 56
    matteblack13matteblack13 Posts: 15unconfirmed, member
    realistic said:
    All Qualcomm has accomplished to this point is guarantee that Apple will either develop their own modem chipset or financial support another vendor in doing so.
    While that may be true, even if they threw billions of dollars at it, it would take time and that's not something most tech companies have. 
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  • Reply 22 of 56
    matteblack13matteblack13 Posts: 15unconfirmed, member
    avon b7 said:
    Maybe if Apple bought QC?

    A lot of real problems could get resolved in one stroke and they would have an important 5G card going forward.


    Lol. So Apple has essentially argued QC has a monopoly in many regards with their modems/chips, yet Apple should buy them, and be the new QC with a monopoly for the most part, on 5G modems? That would be very Apple of them. 
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  • Reply 23 of 56
    qwerty52qwerty52 Posts: 369member
    I think Qualcomm is to late! They’ve already blown up the bridge between the two companies.
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  • Reply 24 of 56
    racerhomie3racerhomie3 Posts: 1,264member
    Price of admission: Your Soul 💀 
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  • Reply 25 of 56
    colinngcolinng Posts: 116member
    Mid Priss said:
     I was driving through Indianapolis the other day and my iPhone 10 XS hooked up to 5G. I ran Speedtest and topped out at 120 Mbps. 

    Ahhhhhh!!!!!! Don’t you know that 5GE is AT&T tricking you into thinking their 4G is 5G????
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  • Reply 26 of 56
    Latkolatko Posts: 398member
    realistic said:
    All Qualcomm has accomplished to this point is guarantee that Apple will either develop their own modem chipset or financial support another vendor in doing so.
    At risk of being late at the 5G party - and losing oceans more than they’d have ever pay to QC
    edited April 2019
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  • Reply 27 of 56
    anantksundaramanantksundaram Posts: 20,411member
    This is business folks.

    Frenemy-ship is common. Nothing to see here, move along
    muthuk_vanalingamJWSCMplsP
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  • Reply 28 of 56
    colinngcolinng Posts: 116member
    I’ll say it for Apple because they don’t use salty language. “Qualcomm top brass: go f*ck yourselves.” 

    Apple going with Qualcomm would be like the police forces hiring the Mafia, drug dealers, and pimps. But then again, in a system where you elect officials to write your laws and they let corporations do that for you, I guess anything goes? 
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  • Reply 29 of 56
    coolfactorcoolfactor Posts: 2,352member
    1200-2000 engineers for one modem... I can't comprehend this. I'm the sole software engineer in a small tech company and manage to churn out productivity and reach goals on a regular basis. But 1000+ engineers can't get one modem finished? I know it's more complicated than that, but something seems off...
    muthuk_vanalingamJWSC
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  • Reply 30 of 56
    hammeroftruthhammeroftruth Posts: 1,363member
    1200-2000 engineers for one modem... I can't comprehend this. I'm the sole software engineer in a small tech company and manage to churn out productivity and reach goals on a regular basis. But 1000+ engineers can't get one modem finished? I know it's more complicated than that, but something seems off...
    It does seem that there are way to many zeros on that estimate. Unless they are also taking about putting 5G in other devices besides iPhones. If you add Mac, watch, iPad and whatever car platform they are working on then maybe that number is accurate. 
    muthuk_vanalingam
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  • Reply 31 of 56
    hammeroftruthhammeroftruth Posts: 1,363member
    Latko said:
    realistic said:
    All Qualcomm has accomplished to this point is guarantee that Apple will either develop their own modem chipset or financial support another vendor in doing so.
    At risk of being late at the 5G party - and losing oceans more than they’d have ever pay to QC
    Or be too early to the party like others and stand around waiting for something to happen. 
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  • Reply 32 of 56
    JWSCjwsc Posts: 1,203member
    Kudos to Qualcomm for at least 'being at the ready' ...in case Apple gets desperate in not being left out of a true 5G offering in 2020.
    Where necessary, Apple should work with Qualcomm ... until Apple’s ready to pull the rug out from underneath and announce the best cellular modem in history.
    muthuk_vanalingam
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  • Reply 33 of 56
    ksecksec Posts: 1,569member
    Timing of this statement is interesting when over at CNET, their initial testing of 5G is mixed.
    Especially when they were right under the 5G transmitter with a 5G capable device. 
    They were comparing it to the roll out of 4G. 

    I have a feeling that you won’t see a nationwide network until late 2020 anyway. 

    Plus, get ready for some customer backlash when they see their bill go way up for 5G service. 
    That has always been the case, may be even 2021. Most report are complete non sense in terms of 5G deployment, expectation, and schedule. Basically pure hype.

    Just wanted to mention, all the 5G phone soon to be launched are 4G + 5G Modem, plus a large mmWave Antenna i.e They are wasting valuable space in name of 5G. Even Phones with Qualcomm's All in one 5G Modem X55 aren't going to be shipped until later this year, that is assuming everything working out well, I actually think it is likely to be early next year.
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  • Reply 34 of 56
    titantigertitantiger Posts: 300member
    avon b7 said:
    Sagar said:
    I wonder why Intel is even bothering to make a 5G modem chip when their only customer Apple itself is building it.
    QC announced that the X50 would ship on 30 phones this year. They then announced the X55 at MWC2019.

    Apple is one of many customers.
    And I'd be willing to bet that if you added up the sales of all 30 of them, they probably won't equal up to the sales of the two or three iPhone models that would use the chip.  Android flagships that would have this chip don't sell in anything approaching the same quantities as iPhones.  Samsung sells a ton of phones, but the bulk of them are mid-tier and entry level ones in emerging markets.  And they are the only Android maker that's selling in significant volumes.
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  • Reply 35 of 56
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,109member
    avon b7 said:
    Sagar said:
    I wonder why Intel is even bothering to make a 5G modem chip when their only customer Apple itself is building it.
    QC announced that the X50 would ship on 30 phones this year. They then announced the X55 at MWC2019.

    Apple is one of many customers.
    And I'd be willing to bet that if you added up the sales of all 30 of them, they probably won't equal up to the sales of the two or three iPhone models that would use the chip.  Android flagships that would have this chip don't sell in anything approaching the same quantities as iPhones.  Samsung sells a ton of phones, but the bulk of them are mid-tier and entry level ones in emerging markets.  And they are the only Android maker that's selling in significant volumes.
    5G phones will ship in regions with 5G rollout plans. The numbers that are shipped really aren't relevant. The point would be having a phone to choose from although I wouldn't touch the X50 now that the far better X55 is coming soon.

    I'm not sure how you can say Samsung is the only Android maker selling in significant volumes.
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  • Reply 36 of 56
    avon b7 said:
    avon b7 said:
    Sagar said:
    I wonder why Intel is even bothering to make a 5G modem chip when their only customer Apple itself is building it.
    QC announced that the X50 would ship on 30 phones this year. They then announced the X55 at MWC2019.

    Apple is one of many customers.
    And I'd be willing to bet that if you added up the sales of all 30 of them, they probably won't equal up to the sales of the two or three iPhone models that would use the chip.  Android flagships that would have this chip don't sell in anything approaching the same quantities as iPhones.  Samsung sells a ton of phones, but the bulk of them are mid-tier and entry level ones in emerging markets.  And they are the only Android maker that's selling in significant volumes.
    5G phones will ship in regions with 5G rollout plans. The numbers that are shipped really aren't relevant. The point would be having a phone to choose from although I wouldn't touch the X50 now that the far better X55 is coming soon.

    I'm not sure how you can say Samsung is the only Android maker selling in significant volumes.
    I should have been more specific.  They are the only one selling significant quantities of flagship level Android phones, which is also why they are basically the only ones making a profit.

    Point being, Apple is more than just "one of many customers."  They are THE customer in this space for a maker of high end components.
    edited April 2019
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  • Reply 37 of 56
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 6,150member
    avon b7 said:
    5G phones will ship in regions with 5G rollout plans. The numbers that are shipped really aren't relevant. The point would be having a phone to choose from although I wouldn't touch the X50 now that the far better X55 is coming soon.

    I'm not sure how you can say Samsung is the only Android maker selling in significant volumes.
    Qualcomm can create a chip using quantum entanglements for all I care.  Sounds great on paper but it means absolutely nothing in the real world.  There is no network that will be anywhere near ready for mass deployment for at the minimum 2-3 years.  Anyone buying a phone right now because it's "5G-ready" is ignorant and wasting money.  By the time 5G is ready, whatever phone they purchased today will be considered a dinosaur by then.

    Are you really believing what you write?
    llama
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  • Reply 38 of 56
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,109member
    sflocal said:
    avon b7 said:
    5G phones will ship in regions with 5G rollout plans. The numbers that are shipped really aren't relevant. The point would be having a phone to choose from although I wouldn't touch the X50 now that the far better X55 is coming soon.

    I'm not sure how you can say Samsung is the only Android maker selling in significant volumes.
    Qualcomm can create a chip using quantum entanglements for all I care.  Sounds great on paper but it means absolutely nothing in the real world.  There is no network that will be anywhere near ready for mass deployment for at the minimum 2-3 years.  Anyone buying a phone right now because it's "5G-ready" is ignorant and wasting money.  By the time 5G is ready, whatever phone they purchased today will be considered a dinosaur by then.

    Are you really believing what you write?
    Of course I believe what I write.

    Huawei has shipped over 40,000 5G base stations already. They aren't going to sit in boxes for two to three years.

    Who knows how many base stations others have sold. And sales are continuing 

    You or I might not have 5G for years but some people will have it. Obviously some cities are better candidates than other for early adoption.

    I happen to spend five days a week in a smart city. 5G will be picked up relatively quickly at government, scientific and educational levels. 5G infraestructura already exists at many points in Barcelona for those fields.

    https://5gbarcelona.org
    https://www.zdnet.com/article/mwc-2019-barcelonas-5g-ambulances/

    The commercial rollout - nationwide - begins next year. 

    Of course YMMV but as I said in the post you quoted, it will depend on whether the area where you live has a rollout plan in place or not.



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  • Reply 39 of 56
    9secondkox29secondkox2 Posts: 3,242member
    Nuh-uh. 

    Bye felicia! 

    Good riddance. 
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  • Reply 40 of 56
    applesauce007applesauce007 Posts: 1,710member
    No, no, no more working with Qualcomm.
    I would rather wait until 2021 for a 5G iPhone instead of working with Qualcomm again for anything.

    It would be worse than going back to Google Maps.

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