Nope. But why does Netflix think they have a right to know what screen users are watching on, and how does that give them an advantage over broadcast?
Because it’s their product/service, and they fully well have a right to know who’s consuming it, how, where? You know, like just about every company does?
And those who don’t like it can go elesewhere, or not do business with them. This is not complicated.
Wow! After purchase, every company has a right to know who's consuming it, where they are, etc.??? Your corporate overlords thank you for advocating for submitting to their control of your life and privacy. We will let you get back to sending that email to Netflix about which guests you had over to your house this weekend who watched Netflix with you. And don't forget to send them an email about where you watched that Netflix show you downloaded before your latest trip and who was with you.
Oh, and BTW, Pizza Hut is still waiting for an update on where you ate that pizza you picked up on Friday and who else consumed it.
Nope. But why does Netflix think they have a right to know what screen users are watching on, and how does that give them an advantage over broadcast?
Because it’s their product/service, and they fully well have a right to know who’s consuming it, how, where? You know, like just about every company does?
And those who don’t like it can go elesewhere, or not do business with them. This is not complicated.
Wow! After purchase, every company has a right to know who's consuming it, where they are, etc.??? Your corporate overlords thank you for advocating for submitting to their control of your life and privacy. We will let you get back to sending that email to Netflix about which guests you had over to your house this weekend who watched Netflix with you. And don't forget to send them an email about where you watched that Netflix show you downloaded before your latest trip and who was with you.
Oh, and BTW, Pizza Hut is still waiting for an update on where you ate that pizza you picked up on Friday and who else consumed it.
Yes, they do. Do you think that Apple shouldn't be allowed to know the quantity of iPads or iPhones of a particular size are sold, or how many pizzas of different diameters and ingredients are sold to customers? How does a company not better service customers under your draconian, anti-capitalist system where companies can't decide where their product is sold to help increase their revenue stream?
Because it’s their product/service, and they fully well have a right to know who’s consuming it, how, where? You know, like just about every company does?
And those who don’t like it can go elesewhere, or not do business with them. This is not complicated.
If people don’t like a policy change, they have a duty to speak up like in these forums. Companies should know how customers feel. That’s not complicated either. Don’t fault people for that.
Did you write to the company? Do you think most of the people complaining here did?
Nope. But why does Netflix think they have a right to know what screen users are watching on, and how does that give them an advantage over broadcast?
Because it’s their product/service, and they fully well have a right to know who’s consuming it, how, where? You know, like just about every company does?
And those who don’t like it can go elesewhere, or not do business with them. This is not complicated.
Wow! After purchase, every company has a right to know who's consuming it, where they are, etc.??? Your corporate overlords thank you for advocating for submitting to their control of your life and privacy. We will let you get back to sending that email to Netflix about which guests you had over to your house this weekend who watched Netflix with you. And don't forget to send them an email about where you watched that Netflix show you downloaded before your latest trip and who was with you.
Oh, and BTW, Pizza Hut is still waiting for an update on where you ate that pizza you picked up on Friday and who else consumed it.
Oh stop. If you think someone is going to give you something in the digital/streaming world and not collect as much information about you they as possibly can -- consistent with their policies -- then I've got some beachfront property to sell you in Arizona.
Every one of us faces such trade-offs in consuming a product or a service: how much should I give up for what I get in return. If at the end of the day, you're a Netflix consumer, then you've revealed your preferences by the choices you've made. Nothing personal, it applies to me as much as it applies to you. People are whining way too much about this, since the type of device on which you consume it is probably the least consequential piece of information that Netflix collects about you.
Nope. But why does Netflix think they have a right to know what screen users are watching on, and how does that give them an advantage over broadcast?
Because it’s their product/service, and they fully well have a right to know who’s consuming it, how, where? You know, like just about every company does?
And those who don’t like it can go elesewhere, or not do business with them. This is not complicated.
I’m struggling with this. If I buy a CD or a book, neither the publisher nor band/author know who I am or where/when I’m “consuming” the product. If I buy a box of cereal, again the supermarket/Kelloggs doesn’t have a “right to know” when or where I pour myself a bowl. I can absolutely see why this information is useful, and a lot of companies do their best to try to acquire this information (if I buy the CD from amazon, or get my cereal home delivered...) but it’s absolutely not a “right”.
As I said, if someone does not like it, they should stop doing business with them.
You could say that to 99% of the posts about Apple here and elsewhere. But then there’s nothing to talk about.
It's a bit strange to anthropomorphize (sp?) something like a company...
Cool! New word I wasn't familiar with. Thanks for using it in context.
It's doesn't exactly roll off the tongue so I may never use it in conversation but at least if I hear it I understand.
an·thro·po·mor·phize
/ˌanTHrəpəˈmôrˌfīz/
Consumers have the ultimate power over ANY service provider - just cancel your subscription if you don't like what they do or why they do it. I limit what companies get to collect information on me and that is why I terminated my Netflix subscription years ago.
Oh stop. If you think someone is going to give you something in the digital/streaming world and not collect as much information about you they as possibly can -- consistent with their policies -- then I've got some beachfront property to sell you in Arizona.
This is it exactly. Apple almost certainly doesn't allow Netflix much access to personal information on the AppleTV but since AppleTV is a fraction of the market, Netflix probably feels like it can live with that. On the other hand Apple has made a number of agreements licensing AirPlay 2 with the worlds largest television manufacturers. Those smartTV companies where Netflix had more or less exclusive access and almost certainly as much personal info as was available. So now instead of Apple's fraction of the market limiting Netflix's ability to track you, users of iPhones and iPads would have had the ability to prevent any tracking on their smartTV just by using AirPlay. Netflix is probably worried that they are one bad press article away from not getting that very valuable information from a large portion of their subscribers.
The only thing that makes much sense about this change is that it is not about the AppleTV at all, it is about third party licenses of AirPlay 2.
The way I see it Netflix is simply guaranteeing the quality of their service. If dev's don't have information about the devices their app will be used on it's impossible to guarantee the quality of the service they are offering to their customers.
It's really as simple as this. Too many conspiracy theories and foaming-at-the-mouth here.
Incorrect.
Netdlix is guaranteeing service to the actual device being played.
Airplay takes over from their and the ball is now in apples court.
The customer both knows and wants this.
What this His is is Netflix trying to control your usage patterns. And that is not ok.
Consumers have the ultimate power over ANY service provider
That’s amazingly naive.
Why? Consumers get to chose (or not) almost every service they consume from businesses. Anyone today can choose to cancel their Netflix (or whoever) right now. If enough do then Netflix must adjust. If most don't, then it seems the issue isn't such a grave concern to them. Same for almost every business. What's naive is assuming that a handful of entitled people cancelling their service will cause a wave of cancellations that forces someone like Netflix to change something. I'll bet 90% (or much greater) don't care about this change from Netflix for example. So a few folks here might cancel. Everyone else goes along blissfully enjoying their subscription.
Someone who wants big companies to stop taking options from them is not entitled.
Whays entitled is the people running that company already getting money from customers and then still taking normal everyday options away that we’re working just fine.
and then LYING about why. And I’m supposed to trust them with my money?
And being that netflix doesnt really get movies and tv shows while they are relevant, and their own originals pretty much suck, it’s probably a great idea to binge watch the next week or so then cancel. Great idea buddy. Thanks.
Hulu will keep the tv shows going and literally too many options for movies... that I can airplay to the giant projector in my patio.
Because it’s their product/service, and they fully well have a right to know who’s consuming it, how, where? You know, like just about every company does?
And those who don’t like it can go elesewhere, or not do business with them. This is not complicated.
If people don’t like a policy change, they have a duty to speak up like in these forums. Companies should know how customers feel. That’s not complicated either. Don’t fault people for that.
Did you write to the company? Do you think most of the people complaining here did?
Otherwise it's mostly useless venting.
You don’t need to write to the Netflix. Companies monitor forums and social media all the time. That’s how it works these days. This is not the 1980s anymore. And they don’t need to read everyone of them to get a summary how people are feeling. A company like Netflix is successful because they do look out for how their customers feel. If it’s useless venting, then why is it important enough for you to share your opinion?
Because it’s their product/service, and they fully well have a right to know who’s consuming it, how, where? You know, like just about every company does?
And those who don’t like it can go elesewhere, or not do business with them. This is not complicated.
If people don’t like a policy change, they have a duty to speak up like in these forums. Companies should know how customers feel. That’s not complicated either. Don’t fault people for that.
Did you write to the company? Do you think most of the people complaining here did?
Otherwise it's mostly useless venting.
You don’t need to write to the Netflix. Companies monitor forums and social media all the time. That’s how it works these days. This is not the 1980s anymore. And they don’t need to read everyone of them to get a summary how people are feeling. A company like Netflix is successful because they do look out for how their customers feel. If it’s useless venting, then why is it important enough for you to share your opinion?
No, this forum is not how you communicate with Netflix, just as this forum isn't how you communicate with Apple about issues. Do you recall a single comment on these forums by Tim Cook or Steve Jobs about an issue? I don't, and yet I can point to many from people that wrote those CEOs directly.
If you want to let Netflix know how you feel you need to contact them through their official channels; but you know that, you're just here to bitch about them doing something reasonable.
Nope. But why does Netflix think they have a right to know what screen users are watching on, and how does that give them an advantage over broadcast?
Because it’s their product/service, and they fully well have a right to know who’s consuming it, how, where? You know, like just about every company does?
And those who don’t like it can go elesewhere, or not do business with them. This is not complicated.
Wow! After purchase, every company has a right to know who's consuming it, where they are, etc.??? Your corporate overlords thank you for advocating for submitting to their control of your life and privacy. We will let you get back to sending that email to Netflix about which guests you had over to your house this weekend who watched Netflix with you. And don't forget to send them an email about where you watched that Netflix show you downloaded before your latest trip and who was with you.
Oh, and BTW, Pizza Hut is still waiting for an update on where you ate that pizza you picked up on Friday and who else consumed it.
Yes, they do. Do you think that Apple shouldn't be allowed to know the quantity of iPads or iPhones of a particular size are sold, or how many pizzas of different diameters and ingredients are sold to customers? How does a company not better service customers under your draconian, anti-capitalist system where companies can't decide where their product is sold to help increase their revenue stream?
There's a difference between a company right to know how their products are being used and a company wanting to know how their products are being used.
Apple knows how many iPads of various sizes and configurations that are sold, who they sold it to, where they are sold, what method was use to pay for them, how many apps are loaded into them, which app gets used the most, how many they service under warranty, etc. because that data belongs to them and they have the right to it. The same with Pizza Hut knowing how many pizzas of are sold, what ingredients are on them, whether the purchaser bought soda with their pizza, whether it was a cash, CC, debit card or ApplePay purchase and how many people are sharing a certain size pizza, while eating it in their diners.
But Apple has no right to know how many people you share your iPad with or who you let use your iPad or how many people are viewing your screen when you're watching a Netflix stream or what brand TV you have hooked up to an Apple TV or your educational background or income.
Same as Pizza Hut has no right to know, when you bring a pizza home, how many people will be sharing your pizza or whether you add pepper and/or cheese to it or how many slices you have left over or what TV program, (if any), you are watching while eating the pizza or what brand microwave you have to reheat the pizza or what brand refrigerator you have to store any leftover slices or will you be consuming any alcoholic beverages with the pizza.
Those data belongs to you. They have no right to it. Even if it's in the name of quality control.
Now if Apple or Pizza Huts wants that data, then then can offer purchasers a coupon for their next app store or pizza purchase (or other incentives), if they were to go online to answer such questions in a survey. I remember companies use to, maybe they still do, ask questions about the user and how their product was being used and user info on the warranty card that you had to send back. But it was never require that the purchaser had to answers the question in order to get the warranty. But companies has no right to sell you their product at full cost and then demand that they have the right your private data, otherwise they will place a limit on how you can use the product you paid for or disqualify you from their warranty. That's like Pizza Hut not letting you take home a pizza, unless you provide them with data like how many people you will be sharing the pizza with or what's the make of the car you are driving to take the pizza home. Pizza Hut already knows what size pizza you ordered, the ingredients on it and how you paid for it.
Now if they discounted or gave away their product, (like Google), then the purchasers can't complain about giving up some of their private data, in exchange for a free or discounted product.
Nope. But why does Netflix think they have a right to know what screen users are watching on, and how does that give them an advantage over broadcast?
Because it’s their product/service, and they fully well have a right to know who’s consuming it, how, where? You know, like just about every company does?
And those who don’t like it can go elesewhere, or not do business with them. This is not complicated.
I’m struggling with this. If I buy a CD or a book, neither the publisher nor band/author know who I am or where/when I’m “consuming” the product. If I buy a box of cereal, again the supermarket/Kelloggs doesn’t have a “right to know” when or where I pour myself a bowl. I can absolutely see why this information is useful, and a lot of companies do their best to try to acquire this information (if I buy the CD from amazon, or get my cereal home delivered...) but it’s absolutely not a “right”.
If I am a cereal maker I surely want to know how you consume it, when and where: e.g., whether you eat it a bowl, or a plate, using a spoon, with milk or without, whether you eat it only in the morning or throughout the day, whether you eat it with your family or not, etc etc. This is basic information I will look for as I develop, market, distribute my product, and try to grow my share of the market. It’s basic marketing research.
Technology takes this type of information-gathering to another level. That’s all. It’s for Netflix to decide what information it wants to better produce and market its product. As I said, if someone does not like it, they should stop doing business with them.
Of course they want to know - I acknowledged that in my post. My question is whether they have an inherent right to know. Your post stated that they did, and implied that most companies already take advantage of that right. I was pointing out that for many products, that's not the case - it simply isn't possible to obtain that information. And of course Netflix can determine that they won't serve anyone who's not prepared to share that knowledge. I suspect that they may find the additional information they glean isn't worth the subscriptions they lose, and that they're cutting off their nose to spite their face.
If what Netflix is saying is honest, and the sole, reason, then it’s perfectly legitimate for it to want to do this. The device of choice of the consumer, as well as its interface, resolution, etc. for its content are surely important information.
This will be resolved.
How is this important? Broadcast TV doesn't know what device it's being received on; be it a Mac Laptop, Mac Desktop, PC, mobile with TV dongle, iPad, 14" CRT or 55" LCD. And they still manage to pump out content everyone enjoys. Why should that make any difference to Netflix? Seems very much like they would rather people buy the sub for TV use rather than the cheaper mobile option.
So you really think that Netflix is the same as 'broadcast TV'?!
Wow, you really need to pay attention to how the TV landscape is changing.
Nope. But why does Netflix think they have a right to know what screen users are watching on, and how does that give them an advantage over broadcast?
Because it’s their product/service, and they fully well have a right to know who’s consuming it, how, where? You know, like just about every company does?
And those who don’t like it can go elesewhere, or not do business with them. This is not complicated.
What gives them a "right" to? People who buy or rent DVDs don't phone up Disney or whoever and say "I'm watching Little Mermaid at 5:30pm on Saturday with my 3 kids from my house in NYC on my 55" Samsung Plasma TV Model SAM11246"
Nope. But why does Netflix think they have a right to know what screen users are watching on, and how does that give them an advantage over broadcast?
Because it’s their product/service, and they fully well have a right to know who’s consuming it, how, where? You know, like just about every company does?
And those who don’t like it can go elesewhere, or not do business with them. This is not complicated.
I’m struggling with this. If I buy a CD or a book, neither the publisher nor band/author know who I am or where/when I’m “consuming” the product. If I buy a box of cereal, again the supermarket/Kelloggs doesn’t have a “right to know” when or where I pour myself a bowl. I can absolutely see why this information is useful, and a lot of companies do their best to try to acquire this information (if I buy the CD from amazon, or get my cereal home delivered...) but it’s absolutely not a “right”.
If I am a cereal maker I surely want to know how you consume it, when and where: e.g., whether you eat it a bowl, or a plate, using a spoon, with milk or without, whether you eat it only in the morning or throughout the day, whether you eat it with your family or not, etc etc. This is basic information I will look for as I develop, market, distribute my product, and try to grow my share of the market. It’s basic marketing research.
Technology takes this type of information-gathering to another level. That’s all. It’s for Netflix to decide what information it wants to better produce and market its product. As I said, if someone does not like it, they should stop doing business with them.
And that's fine for people who opt-in to that. But if you don't you wouldn't be too happy if you found a camera hidden in the cereal packet watching you eat. Your analogy is like saying "you can't buy our cereal if you don't agree to being surveilled whilst you eat it." Not really sure why you think it's ok for people to collect that much info on you. Maybe the Google empire would be more suiting for you?
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Wow! After purchase, every company has a right to know who's consuming it, where they are, etc.??? Your corporate overlords thank you for advocating for submitting to their control of your life and privacy. We will let you get back to sending that email to Netflix about which guests you had over to your house this weekend who watched Netflix with you. And don't forget to send them an email about where you watched that Netflix show you downloaded before your latest trip and who was with you.
Oh, and BTW, Pizza Hut is still waiting for an update on where you ate that pizza you picked up on Friday and who else consumed it.
Otherwise it's mostly useless venting.
Every one of us faces such trade-offs in consuming a product or a service: how much should I give up for what I get in return. If at the end of the day, you're a Netflix consumer, then you've revealed your preferences by the choices you've made. Nothing personal, it applies to me as much as it applies to you. People are whining way too much about this, since the type of device on which you consume it is probably the least consequential piece of information that Netflix collects about you.
The only thing that makes much sense about this change is that it is not about the AppleTV at all, it is about third party licenses of AirPlay 2.
Netdlix is guaranteeing service to the actual device being played.
Airplay takes over from their and the ball is now in apples court.
The customer both knows and wants this.
What this His is is Netflix trying to control your usage patterns. And that is not ok.
Whays entitled is the people running that company already getting money from customers and then still taking normal everyday options away that we’re working just fine.
and then LYING about why. And I’m supposed to trust them with my money?
And being that netflix doesnt really get movies and tv shows while they are relevant, and their own originals pretty much suck, it’s probably a great idea to binge watch the next week or so then cancel. Great idea buddy. Thanks.
Hulu will keep the tv shows going and literally too many options for movies... that I can airplay to the giant projector in my patio.
If you want to let Netflix know how you feel you need to contact them through their official channels; but you know that, you're just here to bitch about them doing something reasonable.
Apple knows how many iPads of various sizes and configurations that are sold, who they sold it to, where they are sold, what method was use to pay for them, how many apps are loaded into them, which app gets used the most, how many they service under warranty, etc. because that data belongs to them and they have the right to it. The same with Pizza Hut knowing how many pizzas of are sold, what ingredients are on them, whether the purchaser bought soda with their pizza, whether it was a cash, CC, debit card or ApplePay purchase and how many people are sharing a certain size pizza, while eating it in their diners.
But Apple has no right to know how many people you share your iPad with or who you let use your iPad or how many people are viewing your screen when you're watching a Netflix stream or what brand TV you have hooked up to an Apple TV or your educational background or income.
Same as Pizza Hut has no right to know, when you bring a pizza home, how many people will be sharing your pizza or whether you add pepper and/or cheese to it or how many slices you have left over or what TV program, (if any), you are watching while eating the pizza or what brand microwave you have to reheat the pizza or what brand refrigerator you have to store any leftover slices or will you be consuming any alcoholic beverages with the pizza.
Those data belongs to you. They have no right to it. Even if it's in the name of quality control.
Now if Apple or Pizza Huts wants that data, then then can offer purchasers a coupon for their next app store or pizza purchase (or other incentives), if they were to go online to answer such questions in a survey. I remember companies use to, maybe they still do, ask questions about the user and how their product was being used and user info on the warranty card that you had to send back. But it was never require that the purchaser had to answers the question in order to get the warranty. But companies has no right to sell you their product at full cost and then demand that they have the right your private data, otherwise they will place a limit on how you can use the product you paid for or disqualify you from their warranty. That's like Pizza Hut not letting you take home a pizza, unless you provide them with data like how many people you will be sharing the pizza with or what's the make of the car you are driving to take the pizza home. Pizza Hut already knows what size pizza you ordered, the ingredients on it and how you paid for it.
Now if they discounted or gave away their product, (like Google), then the purchasers can't complain about giving up some of their private data, in exchange for a free or discounted product.