Intel's first 'Ice Lake' 10-nanometer processors aimed at notebooks are shipping soon



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    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,081member
    melgross said:

    Apple should move to Zen2 on all but their Macbook's and then when Zen2+ comes out make it complete. The TDP of Zen2, IPC, performance already has surpassed anything Intel can compete against. The margin is only going to widen with TSMC 7nm+ for Zen2+ combined with NAVI APUs.

    Nothing tethers Apple to Intel any longer. The Thunderbolt licensing is now fully open and it is time to move on. The yields are phenomenal on TMSC 7nm with both GPUs and CPUs for AMD utilizing it. Costs are considerably lower than anything Intel offers to boot.

    Server Market share is going to plummet with ROME EPYC's arrival.
    Of course this would be a nice proposition, but Apple seems not interested in general purpose computing.

    Their directions they are aiming at are entirely different; T2, Marzipan, Code Notarization, Custom ARM Chips, Increasingly unserviceable Machines, No General Purpose Mac Pro and Flash Prices Extortion on MacBook demonstrate this perfectly.
    Also untrue.
    I'd be happy to find out why. Maybe you can show me a different perspective
    You’re just making statements that you think is true. There’s no evidence that it is true. All. Ew processes have high defect rates at first. That rate declines as the manufacturer gets more experience with the process. Smaller sizes also allow more chips per wafer. That allows more chips without defects. All in all prices are lowered.

    its true that cost per transistor has been rising since 22nm. Both AMD and intel have acknowledged that. All chip manufacturers have also said that gains from 10nm from 14 aren’t as great as those from 14 from 22. But gains from 7 from 10 are even less, and gains from 5 from 7 will be even less than that. But that has nothing to do with chip defect rates.

    as for Apple not being interested in general computing, well, it’s very difficult,t to see how you came to that conclusion. Nothing you mentioned shows that. A lot of it is also untrue. And by the way, all manufacturers are goi g the route of less serviceability. The most popular category of Desktop, whether Mac or Windows, is the all in one, and few are user serviceable in any useful way. As far as laptops, it’s been a couple of decades since any have been truly serviceable by the user. As far as phones and tablets go, they’ve never been really serviceable.

    its also a well understood conundrum that the less user serviceable something is, the better the performance, and the greater the reliability. Now, with security chips threaded throughout the device, third party serviceability is going down the tubes.
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