@Cynegils: "I doubt they'll sell more than a handful of these."
Industry and research will have no problem buying these machines, it's simply about return on investment.
All of the news and social media posts about the news out of WWDC is about the $1k stand. Even the audience was gasping and laughing.
Apple should have just incorporated the price of the stand into the monitor.
Over two hours of fantastic news and announcements and it all boils down to finding a negative and pounding away on it. And it’s not only the tech world, it’s our entire society. Social media has let loose a monster that remained chained for many decades. From body shaming to bullying, from politics to religion, from health issues to money management it’s become vicious and predatory. Just take these very AI forums that are filled with viciousness and hate all day long. It’s as if the only way you get any credibility here is to savagely attack Apple and its management team day after day after day. Any positive response is pounced upon as sycophancy and fanboyism.
So you go right ahead and keep pounding away at your favorite negatives. Trash Apple a much as you can about the monitor stand. Bleat it out to the universe. I guess that's what you think you need to do to keep any credibility here.
"...savagely attack Apple"? Please stop with the melodrama. You do this all the time. I think it's justifiable for folks to be critical of a $999 monitor stand. If Samsung or some other company released a $999 monitor stand, would you defend it so strongly? Honestly? And whether you realize it or not, you are to some degree perpretuating the "viciousness and hate" when you continually criticize others for being critical. As Sgt. Hulka said, "Lighten up Francis".
It's expensive because it's a heavy-ass monitor. I use VESA arms for my heavy-ass Mac, and they were hundreds. Guess what? They still suck. They wobble, sink, and generally are janky. I doubt very much Apple's solution will be janky. And that's why it costs more. See how that works?
Pretending it's the same as some cheap plastic stand for a cheap plastic monitor is disingenuous.
But it doesnt matter because it's not for you. You won't be buying one of these ultra-highend reference monitors, period.
I am fairly certain that $200-300 of the cost of that stand is the "sucker tax". I'm sorry that you made such a poor choice when picking a VESA arm. Next time you should do a little more research, and/or ask me what to buy.
Nonsense. I did great research and have tried multiple. They’re expensive and not great. If not great options are hundreds, 1000 for a great, well-engineered Apple solution is reasonable.
Sorry you cant afford it. But the truth is you likely don’t need one of these monitors and won’t have one anyway, so you’re complaining just to complain. It’s a disorder.
The overall price for this machine is pretty close to insanity. The components for the base model, with a 3.5ghz 8 core and accessories, is not worth anything near the starting price of $6K, and that doesn't even include all the necessary parts. And once speed tests confirm that this machine is perhaps 10-20% faster than previous models (like it always is), the gigantic price jump will be even harder to justify.
Electronics are getting cheaper to manufacture, not the other way around. I've always purchased high-end macs, but couldn't possible shell out ~$10K simply for a faster Mac. Having started with my Apple Iic back in the 80s, I've always supported and purchased powerful and expandable macs. No more. The apple fan base that has waited for almost 5 years for a new mac pro, only to be greeted with a $10K behemoth, should be livid.
It is clear that Apple is trying to make up for decreasing sales by charging completely and totally ridiculous prices. Sadly, I doubt they'll sell more than a handful of these.
Around 2010, I bought a midrange 6 core G5 MacPro (5,1) Cheese Grater and a Cinema HD Display (and I’m still using them by the way).
Per my memory, I paid over $5,000 for both devices.
In fact I bought a second G5 secondhand a few years ago for about $2K with the top of the line 12 core processor that was the last Apple entry for the “CG” G5. I think that computer was much more expensive than the one I purchased maybe around $5000 for the G5 alone when made in 2012?
For me the price seems fair considering that the hardware is first rate and for a machine that people will easily use for a decade.
My G5s still look modern and the build quality is spectacular compared to the devices of other manufacturers.
One is my principal computer and one is a headless iTunes server for my Apple TV.
Load them up with RAM and SSDs and they perform well. Getting decent video cards for them is really their only downside and with difficulty I was able to get cards that drive 2K in them and High Sierra.
Unlike my wife’s 2009 iMac that I replaced the HD with a SSD drive this week (with difficulty), my MacPros allow immediate tinkering to add RAM, PCI cards and drives. The cooling qualities of the computers are first rate.
It’s ridiculous to cobble together the equivalent in the PC world because frankly those computers will not get automatic software updates nor will they be as easy to service.
A thousand dollars for a stand is expensive but people waste a $1000 on other nonsense these days...tickets to sports games, airfare, purses, Hamilton tickets, rims, botox injections etc etc.
Indeed - Rolling Stones tickets in my city are $1500 a pop. For a couple hours of old guys sticking their tongues out. Value is...relative.
All of the news and social media posts about the news out of WWDC is about the $1k stand. Even the audience was gasping and laughing.
Apple should have just incorporated the price of the stand into the monitor.
Over two hours of fantastic news and announcements and it all boils down to finding a negative and pounding away on it. And it’s not only the tech world, it’s our entire society. Social media has let loose a monster that remained chained for many decades. From body shaming to bullying, from politics to religion, from health issues to money management it’s become vicious and predatory. Just take these very AI forums that are filled with viciousness and hate all day long. It’s as if the only way you get any credibility here is to savagely attack Apple and its management team day after day after day. Any positive response is pounced upon as sycophancy and fanboyism.
So you go right ahead and keep pounding away at your favorite negatives. Trash Apple a much as you can about the monitor stand. Bleat it out to the universe. I guess that's what you think you need to do to keep any credibility here.
"...savagely attack Apple"? Please stop with the melodrama. You do this all the time. I think it's justifiable for folks to be critical of a $999 monitor stand. If Samsung or some other company released a $999 monitor stand, would you defend it so strongly? Honestly? And whether you realize it or not, you are to some degree perpretuating the "viciousness and hate" when you continually criticize others for being critical. As Sgt. Hulka said, "Lighten up Francis".
It's expensive because it's a heavy-ass monitor. I use VESA arms for my heavy-ass Mac, and they were hundreds. Guess what? They still suck. They wobble, sink, and generally are janky. I doubt very much Apple's solution will be janky. And that's why it costs more. See how that works?
Pretending it's the same as some cheap plastic stand for a cheap plastic monitor is disingenuous.
But it doesnt matter because it's not for you. You won't be buying one of these ultra-highend reference monitors, period.
I am fairly certain that $200-300 of the cost of that stand is the "sucker tax". I'm sorry that you made such a poor choice when picking a VESA arm. Next time you should do a little more research, and/or ask me what to buy.
Nonsense. I did great research and have tried multiple. They’re expensive and not great. If not great options are hundreds, 1000 for a great, well-engineered Apple solution is reasonable.
Sorry you cant afford it. But the truth is you likely don’t need one of these monitors and won’t have one anyway, so you’re complaining just to complain. It’s a disorder.
How absurd. Firstly, I can afford to buy as many of the $999 Apple monitor stands, and for that matter, monitors, Mac Pros, etc. as I want. Your assumption that I can't indicates a deficiency in your ability to apply dedcutive reasoning.
Secondly, comparing the new Apple monitor stand to a VESA arm is not comparing apples to apples. The physics and engneering involved with a VESA arm are much different and more challenging than with a desktop stand. With a desktop stand, the center of gravity of the supported equipment is relatively constant in relation to the support aparatus, and the weight of the supported equipment is usually directly above the primary support structure. With a VESA arm, the center of gravity and weight of the equipment can be in a multitude of positions in relation to the support apparatus. Also, there is typical more articulation involved with a VESA arm, which means more possible points of failure.
Thirdly, I don't recall that I did any complaining about the monitor stand. I was simply stating my opinion that a portion of the $999 price tag is a "sucker tax". In fact, as an Apple shareholder I'm very pleased that you think the $999 price tag is reasonable, and I hope there are many, many more like you. My expectation is that the monitor stand will be a very well-engineered, quality piece of hardware. I hope that if and when you buy one it exceeds your expectations and you are 100% satisfied with your purchase. Maybe then you'll stop complaining about the VESA arms that you wasted your money on.
The compusion to reply to multiple posts in multiple articles on a daily basis, primarily to complain about the opinions of others in a condescending manner and imply their economic status is inadequate is a disorder.
How many times do you see your computer? Once in the beginning and then again at the end of its life. Saying that, I don't think it's ugly up close in person.
I bought the very first IBM PC, and I mean first (16K base ram) for $3400 and I paid an extra $500 for an expansion memory card containing 384K, I think. It came with a monochrome monitor, 80x25 characters. Since that was around 1981, that would be equivalent to $10,000 in today's money, I would presume. I believe it helped me prepare for a career in computer science, so I think it was worth every dollar. Why would a Mac Pro not do the same for someone today?
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Sorry you cant afford it. But the truth is you likely don’t need one of these monitors and won’t have one anyway, so you’re complaining just to complain. It’s a disorder.
Indeed - Rolling Stones tickets in my city are $1500 a pop. For a couple hours of old guys sticking their tongues out. Value is...relative.