iPhone's Q1 2019 share of EMEA market lowest in five years

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  • Reply 21 of 22
    HerrDrumpfherrdrumpf Posts: 3unconfirmed, member
    Oy, again the classic mistake in these kinds of stories: Conflating shipped numbers with Apple's sold numbers.
    Then again, why would this be surprising in areas with weakening economies given that Apple devices are luxuries?
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  • Reply 22 of 22
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,772member
    avon b7 said:
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    Latko said:
    Notsofast said:

    Respected analyst Neil Cybart persuasively calls IDC numbers "embarrassingly" wrong,  and here's more from an article that discusses Cybart's refutation as well as an overall alleged pattern of intentionally misleading estimates from IDC.

    IDC data is much more suspect than "historically underestimating iPhone sales."  Remember, no other phone manufacturer reports their actual sales figures so, ALL of its data is suspect and unverifiable.  

    IDC's subset of publicly reported data isn't designed to give away valuable free information as a public service. Market research groups sell their reports to companies for $10,000 or more, so when they issue free bits of public data, journalists should review these reports with some healthy skepticism and consider why they're getting free data that tells such compelling stories. 

    This is particularly the case because those stories are often wrong to the point of clearly not being just a mistake. There's a history of market data firms releasing bad data coached to make winners look like losers and losers look like winners. 

    In fact, that's a primary goal of these groups, as history shows beyond a shadow of a doubt. These companies even admit that they work, not to enlighten the public with free data, but to help their paying clients with "influencing consumer behavior and buying preferences." 

    We've caught IDC and other market research groups reporting estimated numbers that didn't align with Apple's actual data before, including massive underestimations of Mac sales as part of an overall misleading history of reporting in PC sales and of course in tablet sales."


    https://roughlydraftedbeta.com/home/2019/5/2/idc-latest-estimate-of-q1-2019-iphone-sales-highly-inaccurate-to-the-point-of-embarrassing
    Of course they’re wrong - nobody is right, as Apple doesn’t want salesnumbers (or anything potentially embarassing) to be publicly available
    LOL. The main problem with your conspiracy theory is that NO COMPANY reports their sales numbers of smart phones.
    Huawei reports its smartphone sales numbers:

    https://www.gizchina.com/2019/04/22/huawei-smartphone-shipment-for-q1-2019-announced/

    It has reported them for years in its annual reports.

    Huawei does not disclose sales.

    Apple was the only company to do this and iKnockoff users still sh** on them for it, meanwhile their knockoffs do not report sales.

    Double Standards: The android user way.


    Did you read the link I included? It reports on Huawei reporting on their numbers. 

    How can you insist that Huawei doesn't report handset sales when I gave you a link pointing to exactly the opposite?

    Here you have the information - straight from the horse's mouth:

    https://www.huawei.com/en/press-events/news/2019/4/huawei-q1-2019-business-results

    And here is the full annual audited report from 2018:

    https://www.huawei.com/en/press-events/annual-report/2018

    Before you say otherwise, yes, it includes smartphone numbers: 206,000,000.


    I don’t  think you read it, or you sent the wrong link ?  All I see are revenue and some “shipped” numbers ? 

    In summary, take 'shipped' as 'sold' and whichever way you interpret things, the numbers are given and have been given for years.



    In effect shipped is sold. When Target, or Walmart, or Orange, or ATT orders phones they pay for them in advance, or on receipt, or make arrangements to do so on a contracted and defined schedule. That's a sale. That's how most public companies record a sale took place and Apple is no exception. 
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