All these iKnockoffs are passive aggressively fighting Apple. They're claiming they could potentially hide a camera under the screen.... SO WHAT? If Apple only wanted to hide a camera under the screen they could have done this years ago BUT Apples notch houses not only a camera but a dot projector, flood illuminator, FaceID etc.
Yes, yes, because everyone was racing to get this “feature” on the market first. What’s this infatuation about winning and losing and being first? Why not just say, “Several months prior to the release of the iPhone X, the Essential Phone debuted with a notch in the screen to make room for the front facing camera”
Yes. The notch is no feature it's just a solution to a technological shortcoming. What copycats did, however, was to copy the form of the notch to match that of Apple's instead of the Essential's; even though, they didn't have the many sensors that occupy such a large notch.
The knockoffs did it without purpose. Just so consumers could think they had a real iPhone. It was cringey when one of the iKnockoff manufacturers had an Apple-style keynote and bragged about how much smaller their notch was than the real iPhone. Well no sh**, it's only a camera you're offering.
How can they have beaten anyone to market when there are no products shipping or even confirmed with the feature let alone sold?
just another rinse and repeat vapourware press release.
The “beaten to the market” comments refer to the fact that the Essential Phone had a camera notch before the release of iPhone X, it’s not about the under-screen camera.
This one is also funny because Apple haters will claim the Essential camera hole is a "notch" and Apple copied it to invent the notch/FaceID/Animoji etc. Yet when Samsung releases a camera hole it isn't a "notch" anymore. Even Sammnys ads read "notch-less" lol. A way to jumble words to fit your anti-Apple agenda.
There is nothing dumb about it. Look at it as a tech preview. Oppo releases so many phones every year that it can include features and see how they perform and are received by the market. This may or may not end up in a model. Not unlike when patents are filed. You never know if anything will actually reach the market that makes use of them.
If you have no plans to use a 3D depth sensing setup, none of the elements you mentioned are relevant.
It isn't 'Face ID etc'. Face ID is the collective term behind the software/hardware involved, not a component in itself.
There is nothing passive aggressive about anything. Simply competition and marketing.
I would say 99% of Android phones absolutely didn't include notches 'without purpose'. Can you give many examples?
The references to notch size are regarding screen to body ratios. If your goal is to minimise the visual impact of the notch, you limit what you put in it. It was Apple's decision to offer only one notch variant.
The product technique you’re describing is known “throwing shit on the wall to see what sticks”. Still shit tho, so it’s not a good strategy unless you’re a chinese knockoff shop.
Having a notch was without purpose because these clowns still had a chin on every single knock. If there’s going to be a chin there’s no reason to do a notch as well. The point is to get rid of the forehead and chin
I predict once every lens, light, sensor and emitter has been buried within the screen, there will be no more new phones. I mean, once the Holy Grail of 100% screen coverage has been accomplished, what's left?
All these iKnockoffs are passive aggressively fighting Apple. They're claiming they could potentially hide a camera under the screen.... SO WHAT? If Apple only wanted to hide a camera under the screen they could have done this years ago BUT Apples notch houses not only a camera but a dot projector, flood illuminator, FaceID etc.
Yes, yes, because everyone was racing to get this “feature” on the market first. What’s this infatuation about winning and losing and being first? Why not just say, “Several months prior to the release of the iPhone X, the Essential Phone debuted with a notch in the screen to make room for the front facing camera”
Yes. The notch is no feature it's just a solution to a technological shortcoming. What copycats did, however, was to copy the form of the notch to match that of Apple's instead of the Essential's; even though, they didn't have the many sensors that occupy such a large notch.
The knockoffs did it without purpose. Just so consumers could think they had a real iPhone. It was cringey when one of the iKnockoff manufacturers had an Apple-style keynote and bragged about how much smaller their notch was than the real iPhone. Well no sh**, it's only a camera you're offering.
How can they have beaten anyone to market when there are no products shipping or even confirmed with the feature let alone sold?
just another rinse and repeat vapourware press release.
The “beaten to the market” comments refer to the fact that the Essential Phone had a camera notch before the release of iPhone X, it’s not about the under-screen camera.
This one is also funny because Apple haters will claim the Essential camera hole is a "notch" and Apple copied it to invent the notch/FaceID/Animoji etc. Yet when Samsung releases a camera hole it isn't a "notch" anymore. Even Sammnys ads read "notch-less" lol. A way to jumble words to fit your anti-Apple agenda.
There is nothing dumb about it. Look at it as a tech preview. Oppo releases so many phones every year that it can include features and see how they perform and are received by the market. This may or may not end up in a model. Not unlike when patents are filed. You never know if anything will actually reach the market that makes use of them.
If you have no plans to use a 3D depth sensing setup, none of the elements you mentioned are relevant.
It isn't 'Face ID etc'. Face ID is the collective term behind the software/hardware involved, not a component in itself.
There is nothing passive aggressive about anything. Simply competition and marketing.
I would say 99% of Android phones absolutely didn't include notches 'without purpose'. Can you give many examples?
The references to notch size are regarding screen to body ratios. If your goal is to minimise the visual impact of the notch, you limit what you put in it. It was Apple's decision to offer only one notch variant.
The product technique you’re describing is known “throwing shit on the wall to see what sticks”. Still shit tho, so it’s not a good strategy unless you’re a chinese knockoff shop.
Having a notch was without purpose because these clowns still had a chin on every single knock. If there’s going to be a chin there’s no reason to do a notch as well. The point is to get rid of the forehead and chin
I was amazed to see the chin on these. No shame!
This is as bad as slapping an Apple logo on a Samsung and claiming it's the same thing. (I know a kid who did this to their Samsung knockoff iPad lol)
I predict once every lens, light, sensor and emitter has been buried within the screen, there will be no more new phones. I mean, once the Holy Grail of 100% screen coverage has been accomplished, what's left?
The race to put 7 cameras on a phone.
9 to 12 forward facing pinhole hole cameras behind the screen as a stereoscopic lightfield array .
All these iKnockoffs are passive aggressively fighting Apple. They're claiming they could potentially hide a camera under the screen.... SO WHAT? If Apple only wanted to hide a camera under the screen they could have done this years ago BUT Apples notch houses not only a camera but a dot projector, flood illuminator, FaceID etc.
Yes, yes, because everyone was racing to get this “feature” on the market first. What’s this infatuation about winning and losing and being first? Why not just say, “Several months prior to the release of the iPhone X, the Essential Phone debuted with a notch in the screen to make room for the front facing camera”
Yes. The notch is no feature it's just a solution to a technological shortcoming. What copycats did, however, was to copy the form of the notch to match that of Apple's instead of the Essential's; even though, they didn't have the many sensors that occupy such a large notch.
The knockoffs did it without purpose. Just so consumers could think they had a real iPhone. It was cringey when one of the iKnockoff manufacturers had an Apple-style keynote and bragged about how much smaller their notch was than the real iPhone. Well no sh**, it's only a camera you're offering.
How can they have beaten anyone to market when there are no products shipping or even confirmed with the feature let alone sold?
just another rinse and repeat vapourware press release.
The “beaten to the market” comments refer to the fact that the Essential Phone had a camera notch before the release of iPhone X, it’s not about the under-screen camera.
This one is also funny because Apple haters will claim the Essential camera hole is a "notch" and Apple copied it to invent the notch/FaceID/Animoji etc. Yet when Samsung releases a camera hole it isn't a "notch" anymore. Even Sammnys ads read "notch-less" lol. A way to jumble words to fit your anti-Apple agenda.
There is nothing dumb about it. Look at it as a tech preview. Oppo releases so many phones every year that it can include features and see how they perform and are received by the market. This may or may not end up in a model. Not unlike when patents are filed. You never know if anything will actually reach the market that makes use of them.
If you have no plans to use a 3D depth sensing setup, none of the elements you mentioned are relevant.
It isn't 'Face ID etc'. Face ID is the collective term behind the software/hardware involved, not a component in itself.
There is nothing passive aggressive about anything. Simply competition and marketing.
I would say 99% of Android phones absolutely didn't include notches 'without purpose'. Can you give many examples?
The references to notch size are regarding screen to body ratios. If your goal is to minimise the visual impact of the notch, you limit what you put in it. It was Apple's decision to offer only one notch variant.
The product technique you’re describing is known “throwing shit on the wall to see what sticks”. Still shit tho, so it’s not a good strategy unless you’re a chinese knockoff shop.
Having a notch was without purpose because these clowns still had a chin on every single knock. If there’s going to be a chin there’s no reason to do a notch as well. The point is to get rid of the forehead and chin
How can you know if something like this is shit?
You can't. You have never even used any of these phones that employ different methods to maximise screen to body ratios.
Most of the time it boils down to simple preference and nothing more. Having consumer options allows buyers to run with their preference. It doesn't mean they are shit. Nor does trying new technology on select models.
That means consumers can now choose freely between different types of notches, hole punch systems, pop-up cameras, sliding mechanisms and now possibly another option.
Someone opting for a sliding option doesn't mean they are opting for a shit option. They deliberately chose that option. They know exactly what the option entails. The shit part is just your individual opinion.
Chins have nothing to do with foreheads. You should no this by now. All efforts to maximise screen to body ratios entail some form of compromise. Be it aesthetic, cost, technological etc.
We could call the iPhone notches shit too. Some iPhone users have done that from day one. A notch that is so wide that it almost takes up the entire top part of the screen leaving very little new screen area to be used. That is because Apple wanted the depth sensing array in there. That was the Apple compromise.
From the original notches (Sharp and Essential) through to today we have seen many types of notch and the vast majority of them valid uses and compromises.
Apple Exposed will not answer my question because his claim is simply false and demonstrably so. He also forgets that most of the industry had notched options on large swathes of their ranges in 2018 (all of 2018).
For the first 9 months of 2018, Apple had exactly one model with a notch. Just one. The other 2 'new' models for virtually all of 2018 had huge, dated chins and foreheads. That is correct. So while the rest of the industry had new models with notches, Apple had to wait most of the year (almost all of 2018) to finally dump big chins and foreheads. And when they finally did that (2018 refresh) they quickly moved to attack chins and foreheads, and on their own phones no less!! Wow! You bought a brand new iPhone 8 in August 2018 (current model at that time) and the following month your new phone appeared in the X series phone marketing as a model portrayed as 'old and dated'. IMO, a huge marketing error.
There were three points of attack in maximising screen to body ratios: Chins, Foreheads and Bezels.
Bezels were the first to get reduced, then foreheads and lastly chins.
Ironically, the XR has a 'chin' that wraps around the entire phone! That's how wide the bezels look.
So, as Apple moves like a sloth (tri cameras first appeared in March 2018 and Apple will finally bring them to a market where tri cameras are now the norm on flagships and mid range devices - a full year and a half behind the industry!), other manufacturers are bringing new technological options to the table, but it doesn't mean they are 'still shit'.
'Shit' is including a 5W charger with every iPhone. The difference is that that isn't only an opinion. It is a factual description of reality.
... Why not just say, “Several months prior to the release of the iPhone X, the Essential Phone debuted with a notch in the screen to make room for the front facing camera”
Even better would be“Several months prior to the release of the iPhone X, the Non Essential Phone ...", or perhaps ...“Several months prior to the release of the iPhone X, the ironically named Essential Phone ..."
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Having a notch was without purpose because these clowns still had a chin on every single knock. If there’s going to be a chin there’s no reason to do a notch as well. The point is to get rid of the forehead and chin
I was amazed to see the chin on these. No shame!
This is as bad as slapping an Apple logo on a Samsung and claiming it's the same thing. (I know a kid who did this to their Samsung knockoff iPad lol)
You can't. You have never even used any of these phones that employ different methods to maximise screen to body ratios.
Most of the time it boils down to simple preference and nothing more. Having consumer options allows buyers to run with their preference. It doesn't mean they are shit. Nor does trying new technology on select models.
That means consumers can now choose freely between different types of notches, hole punch systems, pop-up cameras, sliding mechanisms and now possibly another option.
Someone opting for a sliding option doesn't mean they are opting for a shit option. They deliberately chose that option. They know exactly what the option entails. The shit part is just your individual opinion.
Chins have nothing to do with foreheads. You should no this by now. All efforts to maximise screen to body ratios entail some form of compromise. Be it aesthetic, cost, technological etc.
We could call the iPhone notches shit too. Some iPhone users have done that from day one. A notch that is so wide that it almost takes up the entire top part of the screen leaving very little new screen area to be used. That is because Apple wanted the depth sensing array in there. That was the Apple compromise.
From the original notches (Sharp and Essential) through to today we have seen many types of notch and the vast majority of them valid uses and compromises.
Apple Exposed will not answer my question because his claim is simply false and demonstrably so. He also forgets that most of the industry had notched options on large swathes of their ranges in 2018 (all of 2018).
For the first 9 months of 2018, Apple had exactly one model with a notch. Just one. The other 2 'new' models for virtually all of 2018 had huge, dated chins and foreheads. That is correct. So while the rest of the industry had new models with notches, Apple had to wait most of the year (almost all of 2018) to finally dump big chins and foreheads. And when they finally did that (2018 refresh) they quickly moved to attack chins and foreheads, and on their own phones no less!! Wow! You bought a brand new iPhone 8 in August 2018 (current model at that time) and the following month your new phone appeared in the X series phone marketing as a model portrayed as 'old and dated'. IMO, a huge marketing error.
There were three points of attack in maximising screen to body ratios: Chins, Foreheads and Bezels.
Bezels were the first to get reduced, then foreheads and lastly chins.
Ironically, the XR has a 'chin' that wraps around the entire phone! That's how wide the bezels look.
So, as Apple moves like a sloth (tri cameras first appeared in March 2018 and Apple will finally bring them to a market where tri cameras are now the norm on flagships and mid range devices - a full year and a half behind the industry!), other manufacturers are bringing new technological options to the table, but it doesn't mean they are 'still shit'.
'Shit' is including a 5W charger with every iPhone. The difference is that that isn't only an opinion. It is a factual description of reality.