iPad Pro vs Surface Pro features and specs showdown

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  • Reply 21 of 30
    mcdavemcdave Posts: 1,927member

    I'm not keen on getting a keyboard for the iPad, again because it would not be usable on the lap.

    I use a 10.5” iPad Pro with Apple Pro Keyboard on my lap.  It’s fine, give it a go.
    tobybeaglewatto_cobra
  • Reply 22 of 30
    mcdavemcdave Posts: 1,927member
    The fully supported open Android OS.
    By the time is gets to you, Android is no longer Open. It has Open components but so does iOS and these show no discernible benefit to the customer. In fact the ‘Openness’ of Android is the reason for its poor design & integrity.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 23 of 30
    mcdave said:
    Since the Surface Pro can function as a switch hitter -- either as a tablet or a laptop, then shouldn't the cost comparison been against the total cost of both the iPad Pro + the MacBook?   $1,600 vs $2,950?

    But, hopefully Apple fixes that with iOS 13 by opening up the cursor/mouse function to let the iPad switch hit too.  

    The portmanteau of “switch hitter” is “shitter” and nobody wants one of those.  It would be an unfair comparison too; two products which ace their respective categories vs one which addresses neither well.
    I think you've imbibed too much Apple marketing. Those two products you say ace their categories are IMHO extremely limited. The iPad is crippled by iOS and the MacBook is, we'll, just an expensive crippled laptop.

    The surface runs a full desktop OS and is compatible with the user's professional software suite but in tablet from. This is actually what we want not a Fisher Price OS running pseudo professional apps.

    iPads are superb for casual use cases and consumption of media but if you're in the business of creating media then the Surface is a much better choice. iOS/iPadOS is years away from being a suitable replacement for desktop level applications. Look at all the garbage in the App store after all these years you can count the number of quality desktop level Apps on one hand.

  • Reply 24 of 30
    tmaytmay Posts: 6,341member
    firelock said:
    I honestly don’t understand why on an Apple website we all too often get reviews of and comparisons to Windows or Android. I read Apple news for Apple news.  There are plenty of blogs and reviews sites for the other products. If I want to learn about those products I know where to look. 

    It’s hard to evaluate any system or device in isolation. As a part-time historian I liken it to trying to evaluate US tanks from WW2 without comparing it to tanks from other countries like Germany and the USSR. It’s not possible to understand how good or bad the Sherman is without comparing its strengths and weaknesses to a Panzer IV or T-34.
    There are actually a couple of good links that I recommend;



    "Why the Sherman is as it was"



    The essence of the first link is that every single tank built in the West had to be shipped to the combat zone. With the exception of North Africa, Germany had the benefit of rail transport for moving its tanks into battle, as did Russia, and Japan essentially had the same problem as the West, having to ship every armored vehicle to the combat zone.

    The essence of the second link, is that the U.S. created a highly efficient production system for a very small number of armored vehicles types, albeit there were many variations produced. Interestingly enough, many of the Russian tank factories were designed by a depression era architect from the U.S, and hence, Russia also had a relatively small number of armor vehicle types as well. Russia was most concerned with reducing cost to field as many armored vehicles as fast as possible, given the short lifespan of armored vehicles in the field.

    The Germans, on the other hand, had a number of armor vehicle types, built in a less efficient production system, and with many variations, with generally poor reliability in the field. Tank on tank, Panthers and Tigers had a huge advantage (including the Stug), but combined arms from other artillery, anti-tank guns, and specialized anti-tank armored vehicles for the most part gave the West the advantage late in the North African Campaign, which they would carry through to the end of the war, excepting a few periods during the Italian Campaign, and the first weeks of the Normandy invasion, when Allied tank losses were quite high.

    I should note that the West were almost 100% mechanized, and had plentiful supplies of fuel, and oil production, while Germany always had to rely on rail transport or horse drawn wagons for its logistics, primarily due to its limited stores of fuel beginning even at the time Operation Barbarossa. Germany's failure to capture the Caucasus oil fields in 1942 doomed them.
    edited July 2019 firelockwatto_cobra
  • Reply 25 of 30
    knowitallknowitall Posts: 1,648member
    One clear winner of course, the incredible ARM instruction set A processor.

    watto_cobra
  • Reply 26 of 30
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,881member
    mcdave said:
    Since the Surface Pro can function as a switch hitter -- either as a tablet or a laptop, then shouldn't the cost comparison been against the total cost of both the iPad Pro + the MacBook?   $1,600 vs $2,950?

    But, hopefully Apple fixes that with iOS 13 by opening up the cursor/mouse function to let the iPad switch hit too.  

    The portmanteau of “switch hitter” is “shitter” and nobody wants one of those.  It would be an unfair comparison too; two products which ace their respective categories vs one which addresses neither well.
    I think you've imbibed too much Apple marketing. Those two products you say ace their categories are IMHO extremely limited. The iPad is crippled by iOS and the MacBook is, we'll, just an expensive crippled laptop.

    The surface runs a full desktop OS and is compatible with the user's professional software suite but in tablet from. This is actually what we want not a Fisher Price OS running pseudo professional apps.

    iPads are superb for casual use cases and consumption of media but if you're in the business of creating media then the Surface is a much better choice. iOS/iPadOS is years away from being a suitable replacement for desktop level applications. Look at all the garbage in the App store after all these years you can count the number of quality desktop level Apps on one hand.

    Wish I had your drugs. 

    Despite the “full OS” you give Surface credit for but not MacBook, what serious work will be done on a rinkydink Windows laptop? “Uhhh Excel”...“Uhhh Photoshop”... 

    iOS is awesome iPadOS is even better. I run iWork, Office, email, and have run the admin side of my business on iPads just fine. For actual development I use my 27” 2011 iMac, or my MBP. Trotting out the old “But but but it’s just for CONSUMPTION!” troll trope just means you’re either ignorant or inexperienced on the tools. Likely both. 
    macpluspluswatto_cobra
  • Reply 27 of 30
    Windows kills it. It takes too many clicks to do something. Too logical and boring. This adds up in the long run.  Creates more stress for humans working in office.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 28 of 30
    mcdavemcdave Posts: 1,927member
    mcdave said:
    Since the Surface Pro can function as a switch hitter -- either as a tablet or a laptop, then shouldn't the cost comparison been against the total cost of both the iPad Pro + the MacBook?   $1,600 vs $2,950?

    But, hopefully Apple fixes that with iOS 13 by opening up the cursor/mouse function to let the iPad switch hit too.  

    The portmanteau of “switch hitter” is “shitter” and nobody wants one of those.  It would be an unfair comparison too; two products which ace their respective categories vs one which addresses neither well.
    I think you've imbibed too much Apple marketing. Those two products you say ace their categories are IMHO extremely limited. The iPad is crippled by iOS and the MacBook is, we'll, just an expensive crippled laptop.

    The surface runs a full desktop OS and is compatible with the user's professional software suite but in tablet from. This is actually what we want not a Fisher Price OS running pseudo professional apps.

    iPads are superb for casual use cases and consumption of media but if you're in the business of creating media then the Surface is a much better choice. iOS/iPadOS is years away from being a suitable replacement for desktop level applications. Look at all the garbage in the App store after all these years you can count the number of quality desktop level Apps on one hand.

    In your Humble ill-informed Opinion apparently.  IMHO (of using the above professionally) you should trade your reading for using then form an opinion.  As a daily Windows 10 & MacOS user myself, you give the former far too much credit.  
    If you want a Fisher Price OS, look no further than the ‘mighty’ Win10 which still draws critical dialog boxes behind active Windows (a real OS like macOS solved this nearly two decades ago) and using an emailto: link sends the system modal. iOS/macOS never made that mistake.  Windows also requires gobs of resources just to respond let alone do anything, Surface is a slug.  We’re an MS365 shop and iPad Pro makes a fully functioning client with far less hassle than any Win10 PC and it has real TouchUI which, if you can break away from Windows practices, provides few info mgt compromises.
    Wrong blog buddy.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 29 of 30
    tronaldtronald Posts: 36member
    Since the Surface Pro can function as a switch hitter -- either as a tablet or a laptop, then shouldn't the cost comparison been against the total cost of both the iPad Pro + the MacBook?   $1,600 vs $2,950?

    But, hopefully Apple fixes that with iOS 13 by opening up the cursor/mouse function to let the iPad switch hit too.  

    iPadOS 13 opens up cursor/mouse functions. It is currently rudimentary, but should be enough to ease the problem of using a keyboard for writing without having to lift your fingers up to the screen, which should finally make word processing on an iPad actually work well enough. I doubt it will allow for keyboard/mouse interactions in game play anytime soon, as the iPad is still very much a touch-oriented device with mouse/touchpad interaction added for limited uses. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 30 of 30
    knowitallknowitall Posts: 1,648member
    Windows kills it. It takes too many clicks to do something. Too logical and boring. This adds up in the long run.  Creates more stress for humans working in office.
    Windows is better in one aspect: sensible use of the right mouse (context) button.
    watto_cobra
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