Huawei CEO cites Apple as privacy role model

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Huawei CEO sings Apple's praises once again, claiming that Apple is his role model when it comes to protecting users' data.

Chinese tech giant Huawei praises Apple publicly once again


Ren Zhengfei, founder and CEO of Huawei, is yet again lauding Apple's business practices-- this time stating that Apple has the right idea when it comes to protecting users privacy.

This is not the first time that Zhengfei has praised Apple, and has even publicly defended Apple in the U.S.-China trade war, even as his own company suffers from U.S. blacklisting.

As reported by CNBC, Zhengfei has told the Financial Times that he would not provide user data to the Chinese government, much in the way that Apple does not provide data that could compromise its users' privacy. According to him, users own their own data, not Huawei.

"Data is owned by our customers, not us. Carriers have to track every user, otherwise no phone calls could be made. It's a carrier's duty to track user data. We, as an equipment provider, don't track any data," said Zhengfei.

"We will never do such a thing. If I had done it even once, the US would have evidence to spread around the world. Then the 170 countries and regions in which we currently operate would stop buying our products, and our company would collapse."

Huawei is currently looking at a $30 billion loss in revenue for this year, largely due to the U.S. trade ban, leaving them with an $8 billion net profit. Zhengfei expressed his skepticism of the Trump administration's actions.

"[The Chinese government doesn't] intervene in their business operations. I don't know why the US government micro manages its tech companies as much as they do," he said. "They act like a mother-in-law, and if they get too involved, their daughters-in-law might run off."
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  • Reply 1 of 69
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 31,404member
    Sorry, we don’t believe you or your government.
    anantksundaramtmayracerhomie3StrangeDaysolslostkiwi80s_Apple_Guywatto_cobra
  • Reply 2 of 69
    racerhomie3racerhomie3 Posts: 1,158member
    Good job. CCP slave. We know Huawei is owned by the CCP. 
    StrangeDaysolswatto_cobra
  • Reply 3 of 69
    KuyangkohKuyangkoh Posts: 357member
    Sorry, we don’t believe you or your government.
    Exactly what im thinking.....praising because he knows they are the targets....
    olswatto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 69
    matrix077matrix077 Posts: 745member
    Yes, the Chinese government will let everyone runs their own freely. They would never interfere in anything.
    Just ask all those Hong Kong students on the street. :roll eyes:

    Oh, and your country is not IT thieves either, no no, Chinese never lie.
    (in fact, they’re doing regularly and straight face-ly)
    edited July 7 racerhomie3StrangeDaysolswatto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 69
    wonkothesanewonkothesane Posts: 1,397member
    If they would be a Dutch* company I’d quote Austin Power’s fargerhttps://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zcUs5X9glCc

    *as I am by 50%
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 6 of 69
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 4,198member
    Almost a decade of US accusations without a shred of evidence presented. To the point that the U.S government had to admit it had none, but at the same time claiming none was even necessary.

    All the while, the realities of this quote from the article have thrown a huge shadow over everything the U.S has claimed:

    "the 170 countries and regions in which we currently operate would stop buying our products, and our company would collapse."

    That shadow had been there for the last decade.

    What would there be to gain? A $100 bn company, the pride of China, a technological leader, would die an instant death. And unnecessarily.

    The Chinese government doesn't need Huawei to be able to 'spy'.

    Huawei network equipment is managed by the carriers.

    Most internet traffic already touches Huawei infrastructure at some point.

    No other communications company on the planet is scrutinised on a security level like Huawei. To the point of having its source code inspected. No other company is as advanced as Huawei in areas like 5G.

    As a result of U.S actions, Huawei is taking court action to defend itself. The U.S is now officially claiming that the action against Huawei was necessary based solely on the 'possible threat' to national security (of course, there is zero hard evidence of this).

    At the same time, the U.S president has undermined the official claims of the government by implying Huawei could be included in a trade deal with China. China has insisted that there will be no negotiation until Huawei has restrictions lifted.

    It is clear that Huawei is being used as a trade pawn on one level, and being attacked on another level because of U.S fears of being left behind in a new technological revolution, in which China may play a pivotal role. 'National security' is a ruse and the US case is crumbling. We have seen some very clear comments on this coming out of South Africa and just today there have been some very unfavourable comments attributed to the UK ambassador in Washington.

    Now the U.S wants us to believe that Huawei has 'close' ties to the Chinese government (once again without any hard evidence) whereas at the same time it has shown how 'executive orders' can be used to negate the need for ties and force domestic companies ( and even those that are not U.S) to buckle under its demands.

    Huawei has a full portfolio of cloud infrastructure built on data privacy. In the case of the EU, with strict user protections, Huawei insists no user files ever leave the EU. It is ironic that some major U.S companies have been investigated for breaching E.U privacy rules.

    The U.S action not only caused an estimated $30 billion hole in Huawei revenues but set off a chain reaction that now cannot be stopped or reversed..

    Ren recently made another comment (which went largely unreported) that will have sent shockwaves through the U.S tech manufacturing sector.

    He said this situation will never happen again as in - two - years, Huawei will have reduced its U.S dependence to zero.
    GeorgeBMacmike54FileMakerFellermuthuk_vanalingamCarnagedewme
  • Reply 7 of 69
    tmaytmay Posts: 3,944member
    avon b7 said:
    Almost a decade of US accusations without a shred of evidence presented. To the point that the U.S government had to admit it had none, but at the same time claiming none was even necessary.

    All the while, the realities of this quote from the article have thrown a huge shadow over everything the U.S has claimed:

    "the 170 countries and regions in which we currently operate would stop buying our products, and our company would collapse."

    That shadow had been there for the last decade.

    What would there be to gain? A $100 bn company, the pride of China, a technological leader, would die an instant death. And unnecessarily.

    The Chinese government doesn't need Huawei to be able to 'spy'.

    Huawei network equipment is managed by the carriers.

    Most internet traffic already touches Huawei infrastructure at some point.

    No other communications company on the planet is scrutinised on a security level like Huawei. To the point of having its source code inspected. No other company is as advanced as Huawei in areas like 5G.

    As a result of U.S actions, Huawei is taking court action to defend itself. The U.S is now officially claiming that the action against Huawei was necessary based solely on the 'possible threat' to national security (of course, there is zero hard evidence of this).

    At the same time, the U.S president has undermined the official claims of the government by implying Huawei could be included in a trade deal with China. China has insisted that there will be no negotiation until Huawei has restrictions lifted.

    It is clear that Huawei is being used as a trade pawn on one level, and being attacked on another level because of U.S fears of being left behind in a new technological revolution, in which China may play a pivotal role. 'National security' is a ruse and the US case is crumbling. We have seen some very clear comments on this coming out of South Africa and just today there have been some very unfavourable comments attributed to the UK ambassador in Washington.

    Now the U.S wants us to believe that Huawei has 'close' ties to the Chinese government (once again without any hard evidence) whereas at the same time it has shown how 'executive orders' can be used to negate the need for ties and force domestic companies ( and even those that are not U.S) to buckle under its demands.

    Huawei has a full portfolio of cloud infrastructure built on data privacy. In the case of the EU, with strict user protections, Huawei insists no user files ever leave the EU. It is ironic that some major U.S companies have been investigated for breaching E.U privacy rules.

    The U.S action not only caused an estimated $30 billion hole in Huawei revenues but set off a chain reaction that now cannot be stopped or reversed..

    Ren recently made another comment (which went largely unreported) that will have sent shockwaves through the U.S tech manufacturing sector.

    He said this situation will never happen again as in - two - years, Huawei will have reduced its U.S dependence to zero.
    Of course you would show up to defend Ren and Huawei, and yet, Huawei still hasn't been wanting to answer those questions of ownership in any transparent way.

    Until then, it's prudent to state that Huawei is an SOE, State Owned Enterprise.

    I'm going to do you a favor and only post a single link.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/07/06/huawei-employees-linked-to-chinas-state-intelligence-agencies-report-claims/#39cbfce24b24

    and the original Telegraph link,

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/05/huawei-staff-cvs-reveal-alleged-links-chinese-intelligence-agencies/

    and here's the link to the actual document;

    https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=531083111122092064001127117117103110030015042050031004028030086000074114119022120024057022106062019059012069012101066070074090119060069077051127000021030121018000064040058057102011090111069028114124016116091101124119019067075096027008024091106002122126&EXT=pdf

    Gee, I guess I lied about the single link.


    Here's one about the Chinese Government side loading malware into tourist's Android Phones;


    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/neayxd/anti-virus-companies-now-flag-malware-china-installs-on-tourists-phones-xinjiang

    "Chinese border authorities have planted the malware onto travelers' phones as they passed through Irkeshtam port at the border between Kyrgyzstan and China, a tourist who crossed the border said. A member of the reporting team from Süddeutsche Zeitung also entered China through this point and verified that malware is installed on devices.

    After being "side-loaded" onto the phone rather than downloaded from the Google Play Store, the malware uploads the device's text messages, calendar entries, phone logs and contacts to a server, multiple technical analysescommissioned by the reporting team found. The malware also scans the phone for over 73,000 different files. The investigation found these files include clearly extremist material such as Islamic State propaganda, but also passages from the Quran, PDFs related to the Dalai Lama, and music from a Japanese metal group called Unholy Grave. Unholy Grave has a song called "Taiwan: Another China."

    Hey Ren, now might be a good time to talk to your government about that malware...which, for the record, can't be installed on any iPhone.



    edited July 7 racerhomie3StrangeDaysNoFliesOnMelostkiwiwatto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 69
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 4,198member
    tmay said:
    avon b7 said:
    Almost a decade of US accusations without a shred of evidence presented. To the point that the U.S government had to admit it had none, but at the same time claiming none was even necessary.

    All the while, the realities of this quote from the article have thrown a huge shadow over everything the U.S has claimed:

    "the 170 countries and regions in which we currently operate would stop buying our products, and our company would collapse."

    That shadow had been there for the last decade.

    What would there be to gain? A $100 bn company, the pride of China, a technological leader, would die an instant death. And unnecessarily.

    The Chinese government doesn't need Huawei to be able to 'spy'.

    Huawei network equipment is managed by the carriers.

    Most internet traffic already touches Huawei infrastructure at some point.

    No other communications company on the planet is scrutinised on a security level like Huawei. To the point of having its source code inspected. No other company is as advanced as Huawei in areas like 5G.

    As a result of U.S actions, Huawei is taking court action to defend itself. The U.S is now officially claiming that the action against Huawei was necessary based solely on the 'possible threat' to national security (of course, there is zero hard evidence of this).

    At the same time, the U.S president has undermined the official claims of the government by implying Huawei could be included in a trade deal with China. China has insisted that there will be no negotiation until Huawei has restrictions lifted.

    It is clear that Huawei is being used as a trade pawn on one level, and being attacked on another level because of U.S fears of being left behind in a new technological revolution, in which China may play a pivotal role. 'National security' is a ruse and the US case is crumbling. We have seen some very clear comments on this coming out of South Africa and just today there have been some very unfavourable comments attributed to the UK ambassador in Washington.

    Now the U.S wants us to believe that Huawei has 'close' ties to the Chinese government (once again without any hard evidence) whereas at the same time it has shown how 'executive orders' can be used to negate the need for ties and force domestic companies ( and even those that are not U.S) to buckle under its demands.

    Huawei has a full portfolio of cloud infrastructure built on data privacy. In the case of the EU, with strict user protections, Huawei insists no user files ever leave the EU. It is ironic that some major U.S companies have been investigated for breaching E.U privacy rules.

    The U.S action not only caused an estimated $30 billion hole in Huawei revenues but set off a chain reaction that now cannot be stopped or reversed..

    Ren recently made another comment (which went largely unreported) that will have sent shockwaves through the U.S tech manufacturing sector.

    He said this situation will never happen again as in - two - years, Huawei will have reduced its U.S dependence to zero.
    Of course you would show up to defend Ren and Huawei, and yet, Huawei still hasn't been wanting to answer those questions of ownership in any transparent way.

    Until then, it's prudent to state that Huawei is an SOE, State Owned Enterprise.

    I'm going to do you a favor and only post a single link.

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2019/07/06/huawei-employees-linked-to-chinas-state-intelligence-agencies-report-claims/#39cbfce24b24

    and the original Telegraph link,

    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/07/05/huawei-staff-cvs-reveal-alleged-links-chinese-intelligence-agencies/

    and here's the link to the actual document;

    https://poseidon01.ssrn.com/delivery.php?ID=531083111122092064001127117117103110030015042050031004028030086000074114119022120024057022106062019059012069012101066070074090119060069077051127000021030121018000064040058057102011090111069028114124016116091101124119019067075096027008024091106002122126&EXT=pdf

    Gee, I guess I lied about the single link.


    Here's one about the Chinese Government side loading malware into tourist's Android Phones;


    https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/neayxd/anti-virus-companies-now-flag-malware-china-installs-on-tourists-phones-xinjiang

    "Chinese border authorities have planted the malware onto travelers' phones as they passed through Irkeshtam port at the border between Kyrgyzstan and China, a tourist who crossed the border said. A member of the reporting team from Süddeutsche Zeitung also entered China through this point and verified that malware is installed on devices.

    After being "side-loaded" onto the phone rather than downloaded from the Google Play Store, the malware uploads the device's text messages, calendar entries, phone logs and contacts to a server, multiple technical analysescommissioned by the reporting team found. The malware also scans the phone for over 73,000 different files. The investigation found these files include clearly extremist material such as Islamic State propaganda, but also passages from the Quran, PDFs related to the Dalai Lama, and music from a Japanese metal group called Unholy Grave. Unholy Grave has a song called "Taiwan: Another China."

    Hey Ren, now might be a good time to talk to your government about that malware...which, for the record, can't be installed on any iPhone.



    As usual. Utterly incapable for you to understand the difference between Huawei and the Chinese government.

    If Huawei says it isn't state owned and, as a private, company doesn't need the transparency you demand, it is up to the accuser to demonstrate otherwise.

    You are going to have to live with that. And with the fact that companies like Boeing have received billions in state subsidies and that the U.S government has dished out over $23 bn to keep farming operations a going concern when they would have gone out if business by now as a result of tariffs. There are many more examples and if you add onto that the use of executive orders for state policy, any U.S company might as well be considered state owned too. It depends in where you draw the line.

    However, it is pretty much irrelevant in this context as protectionism, privacy and influence the cards currently on the table.

    Protectionism. No one outside the U.S even questions this now.

    Privacy. Remind me how well U.S companies (and government agencies) have fared with that.

    Influence. The U.S feels threatened. Even people within the U.S admit this. The fact that the 'threat' is Chinese (and is becoming reality as we speak) only serves to send paranoia levels still higher.

    Now, after all the - real - U.S threats to allies (how ironic) some are simply ignoring the U.S while others even mention jealousy!

    https://www.timeslive.co.za/politics/2019-07-05-we-cant-be-held-back-by-us-jealousy-says-ramaphosa-on-huawei-sanctions/


    GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 9 of 69
    sflocalsflocal Posts: 4,701member
    avon b7 said:
    Almost a decade of US accusations without a shred of evidence presented...
    I stopped reading after the first sentence.  Same rant, different day.

    You showed up right on cue to defend the supreme right hand of the Chinese government regurgitating the same BS.

    They have been caught, numerous times spanning DECADES. You just refuse to acknowledge it and instead, use deception and “alternative facts”.

    just stop it.  It’s getting really old.
    tmayStrangeDaysanantksundaramlostkiwiwatto_cobra
  • Reply 10 of 69
    cgWerkscgWerks Posts: 2,296member
    Sorry, we don’t believe you or your government.
    That said, the track record of our government(s) isn't exactly pretty either. I'm just not sure who to believe anymore.
    And, I haven't caught Huawei in a lie yet... I catch our government (USA at least) regularly.
    rob53
  • Reply 11 of 69
    cgWerkscgWerks Posts: 2,296member

    sflocal said:
    avon b7 said:
    Almost a decade of US accusations without a shred of evidence presented...
    They have been caught, numerous times spanning DECADES.
    I haven't been following closely enough... but where did that information come from?
    (Need I mention 'weapons of mass destruction' or 'babies being thrown out of incubators' or 'chemical weapons on his own people' ...)
    GeorgeBMacn2itivguyFileMakerFellermuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 12 of 69
    22july201322july2013 Posts: 814member
    avon b7 said:
    No other communications company on the planet is scrutinised .. To the point of having its source code inspected. 

    On a scale from 100% false to 100% true I would rate this statement as 100% false. It makes you wonder about the rest of his post.
    tmayclaire1NoFliesOnMewatto_cobra
  • Reply 13 of 69
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 5,138member
    Sorry, we don’t believe you or your government.
    So instead you believe the guy who has lied over 11,000 times?     OK....
    rob53n2itivguyCarnage
  • Reply 14 of 69
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 5,138member
    avon b7 said:
    Almost a decade of US accusations without a shred of evidence presented. To the point that the U.S government had to admit it had none, but at the same time claiming none was even necessary.

    All the while, the realities of this quote from the article have thrown a huge shadow over everything the U.S has claimed:

    "the 170 countries and regions in which we currently operate would stop buying our products, and our company would collapse."

    That shadow had been there for the last decade.

    What would there be to gain? A $100 bn company, the pride of China, a technological leader, would die an instant death. And unnecessarily.

    The Chinese government doesn't need Huawei to be able to 'spy'.

    Huawei network equipment is managed by the carriers.

    Most internet traffic already touches Huawei infrastructure at some point.

    No other communications company on the planet is scrutinised on a security level like Huawei. To the point of having its source code inspected. No other company is as advanced as Huawei in areas like 5G.

    As a result of U.S actions, Huawei is taking court action to defend itself. The U.S is now officially claiming that the action against Huawei was necessary based solely on the 'possible threat' to national security (of course, there is zero hard evidence of this).

    At the same time, the U.S president has undermined the official claims of the government by implying Huawei could be included in a trade deal with China. China has insisted that there will be no negotiation until Huawei has restrictions lifted.

    It is clear that Huawei is being used as a trade pawn on one level, and being attacked on another level because of U.S fears of being left behind in a new technological revolution, in which China may play a pivotal role. 'National security' is a ruse and the US case is crumbling. We have seen some very clear comments on this coming out of South Africa and just today there have been some very unfavourable comments attributed to the UK ambassador in Washington.

    Now the U.S wants us to believe that Huawei has 'close' ties to the Chinese government (once again without any hard evidence) whereas at the same time it has shown how 'executive orders' can be used to negate the need for ties and force domestic companies ( and even those that are not U.S) to buckle under its demands.

    Huawei has a full portfolio of cloud infrastructure built on data privacy. In the case of the EU, with strict user protections, Huawei insists no user files ever leave the EU. It is ironic that some major U.S companies have been investigated for breaching E.U privacy rules.

    The U.S action not only caused an estimated $30 billion hole in Huawei revenues but set off a chain reaction that now cannot be stopped or reversed..

    Ren recently made another comment (which went largely unreported) that will have sent shockwaves through the U.S tech manufacturing sector.

    He said this situation will never happen again as in - two - years, Huawei will have reduced its U.S dependence to zero.
    You present facts.
    The Trumpettes present alternative facts.

    So, which should believe?

    Oh wait!  Even Trump essentially admitted lying about Huawei when he admitted he was using it as part of his trade war.  But, the Trumpettes soldier on chanting   "USA!   USA!   USA!"  so loud they never heard him.
    n2itivguyFileMakerFellerCarnagedewme
  • Reply 15 of 69
    tmaytmay Posts: 3,944member
    cgWerks said:
    Sorry, we don’t believe you or your government.
    That said, the track record of our government(s) isn't exactly pretty either. I'm just not sure who to believe anymore.
    And, I haven't caught Huawei in a lie yet... I catch our government (USA at least) regularly.
    "I'm not sure who to believe anymore"

    You really want to state that to all of us?

    Lame.

    China has no independent journalism, and is an authoritarian, repressive government. At least in the U.S., there are in fact many quality resources for information, in spite of President Trump's attempts to control the message, badly, I might add. 

    cgWerks
    said:

    sflocal said:
    avon b7 said:
    Almost a decade of US accusations without a shred of evidence presented...
    They have been caught, numerous times spanning DECADES.
    I haven't been following closely enough... but where did that information come from?
    (Need I mention 'weapons of mass destruction' or 'babies being thrown out of incubators' or 'chemical weapons on his own people' ...)
    "I haven't been following closely enough"

    You don't wear "poorly informed" very well as your argument.

    There's a shit ton of information about Chinese Government directed hacking of Western countries, especially of the U.S. as a shortcut for their militarization, and to advance their commercial interests. Sure, it's fair game to do that, love and war, blah, blah, blah, but do you really want to argue that the U.S. is more repressive than China?

    There's also direct evidence that Huawei has stolen technology from Cisco. You might look that up.

    I've posted a ton of links in the past to that effect, but, it doesn't seem like some people have an interest.

    Here'a a hint; do some research on Belt Road Initiative, and also China's militarization of the South China Seas, Africa, and the Middle East. 


    Here's a link to read;

    https://thediplomat.com/2019/03/chinas-next-phase-of-militarization-in-the-south-china-sea/
    edited July 7 StrangeDaysanantksundaramlostkiwi
  • Reply 16 of 69
    claire1claire1 Posts: 510unconfirmed, member
    cgWerks said:
    Sorry, we don’t believe you or your government.
    That said, the track record of our government(s) isn't exactly pretty either. I'm just not sure who to believe anymore.
    And, I haven't caught Huawei in a lie yet... I catch our government (USA at least) regularly.
    Apple isn't owned by the US government.
    tmayStrangeDaysanantksundaramwatto_cobra
  • Reply 17 of 69
    claire1claire1 Posts: 510unconfirmed, member

    avon b7 said:
    No other communications company on the planet is scrutinised .. To the point of having its source code inspected. 

    On a scale from 100% false to 100% true I would rate this statement as 100% false. It makes you wonder about the rest of his post.
    That's the same dude who said Apple isn't targeted by the media. LMAO!!!!!!
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 18 of 69
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 5,138member
    tmay said:
    cgWerks said:
    Sorry, we don’t believe you or your government.
    That said, the track record of our government(s) isn't exactly pretty either. I'm just not sure who to believe anymore.
    And, I haven't caught Huawei in a lie yet... I catch our government (USA at least) regularly.
    "I'm not sure who to believe anymore"

    You really want to state that to all of us?

    Lame.

    China has no independent journalism, and is an authoritarian, repressive government. At least in the U.S., there are in fact many quality resources for information, in spite of President Trump's attempts to control the message, badly, I might add. 

    cgWerks
    said:

    sflocal said:
    avon b7 said:
    Almost a decade of US accusations without a shred of evidence presented...
    They have been caught, numerous times spanning DECADES.
    I haven't been following closely enough... but where did that information come from?
    (Need I mention 'weapons of mass destruction' or 'babies being thrown out of incubators' or 'chemical weapons on his own people' ...)
    "I haven't been following closely enough"

    You don't wear "poorly informed" very well as your argument.

    There's a shit ton of information about Chinese Government directed hacking of Western countries, especially of the U.S. as a shortcut for their militarization, and to advance their commercial interests. Sure, it's fair game to do that, love and war, blah, blah, blah, but do you really want to argue that the U.S. is more repressive than China?

    There's also direct evidence that Huawei has stolen technology from Cisco. You might look that up.

    I've posted a ton of links in the past to that effect, but, it doesn't seem like some people have an interest.

    Here'a a hint; do some research on Belt Road Initiative, and also China's militarization of the South China Seas, Africa, and the Middle East. 


    Here's a link to read;

    https://thediplomat.com/2019/03/chinas-next-phase-of-militarization-in-the-south-china-sea/
    Interesting that the Trumpers never seem to mention Russia in regards to hacking or attacks on our country but are laser focused on imaginary stuff from the Chinese government....   I guess that doesn't much matter to them.  Or maybe it's that 400 pounder lying on his bed doing it all...

    But, regardless, we aren't talking about either China or Russia or 400 pounders -- just Huawei.
  • Reply 19 of 69
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 5,138member
    claire1 said:
    cgWerks said:
    Sorry, we don’t believe you or your government.
    That said, the track record of our government(s) isn't exactly pretty either. I'm just not sure who to believe anymore.
    And, I haven't caught Huawei in a lie yet... I catch our government (USA at least) regularly.
    Apple isn't owned by the US government.
    Neither is Huawei owned by any government.  
  • Reply 20 of 69
    tmaytmay Posts: 3,944member
    claire1 said:
    cgWerks said:
    Sorry, we don’t believe you or your government.
    That said, the track record of our government(s) isn't exactly pretty either. I'm just not sure who to believe anymore.
    And, I haven't caught Huawei in a lie yet... I catch our government (USA at least) regularly.
    Apple isn't owned by the US government.
    Neither is Huawei owned by any government.  
    "Neither is Huawei owned by any government."

    You seem certain of that, yet even Avon B7 stated that there was no way to tell, whereas I at least have links that analyzed this.

    https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3372669

    https://thechinacollection.org/huaweis-ownership-huaweis-statement-response/

    "If Huawei says it isn't state owned and, as a private, company doesn't need the transparency you demand, it is up to the accuser to demonstrate otherwise."

    That's horseshit.

    From a National Security perspective, and taking into account that the Chinese Government is an Authoritarian, repressive one, why would any country give Huawei the "benefit of the doubt" for something as critical as its communication infrastructure. 


    "I haven't caught Huawei in a lie yet"

    Try harder.
    edited July 7 StrangeDaysanantksundaramwatto_cobra
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