The notch isn't a dealbreaker for me with my X, but I'll definitely be happy to see it go, there are a couple of apps where it gets in the way. I'd have preferred they'd had a solid forehead to the phone and kept a rectangular screen.
How does it get in the way? If so, it's a badly designed app, not Apple's fault. It shouldn't interfere with anything.
Certain games and apps expect a rectangular screen and the notch blocks interface elements that occupy the side of the screen.
Blaming the app designer doesn't really get me anywhere, it's still a problem that would be solved by having a rectangular screen. And I think accommodating a screen that is a silly shape is preferably something that developers of apps and games (especially cross-platform ones) shouldn't have to be concerned with, it's fiddly nonsense.
That’s the (hopefully ultimately true) news I’ve been waiting to hear! My nearly four-year-old 128GB iPhone 6S Plus is running better than ever before on iOS 12.3, better than when it was brand-new even, so I’ll easily be able to skip the 2019 models and hold out for a hopefully notchless 2020 model, or maybe even a notchless-with-fullscreen-TouchID 2021 model. So glad I’ll have completely skipped the silly notch and FaceID nonsense. Maybe by then I’ll even be able to get black AirPods and my life will be complete at last.
The notch is actually not shown at all when you watch a video. Videos are 16:9 ratio. The iPhone X screens are 19.5:9 ratio. Because iPhone screen is longer, the notch is actually outside of video screen. And when you use it as GPS navigator, the iPhone X full screen really helps.
The notch on a full screen absent a home button also helps you orient the phone, quickly tell which end is up, if your hand can't feel the buttons. My guess is they reduce, not eliminate it.
The notch on a full screen absent a home button also helps you orient the phone, quickly tell which end is up, if your hand can't feel the buttons. My guess is they reduce, not eliminate it.
Unless I'm using the phone, camera, or volume buttons, which are collectively not all that often, then the orientation of the device is not at all important. If I recall correctly the iPad will reorient the screen even if the device is upside down, so it would be fairly trivial for Apple to make the iPhone work when inverted too.
My current primary phone is an iPhone Xs (previously had iPhone X). In regard to the notch "concerns", at first I thought I would be bothered but after using the phones it actually works quite well and I usually forget its even there. It even provides a good way to differentiate the pull down locations for the notifications (left side) and control center (right side).
As for the lack of a physical home button. There are times I do miss having that as I could more easily navigate the phone by feel but the extra screen space makes up for not having it.
Finally, as for FaceID/TouchID. I would much rather have TouchID back. If I were to measure the success rate of the technologies based on either A.) failed login attempts, B.) unintentional logins, or C.) number of times having to enter my pin code instead... than I would say my TouchID iPhones were roughly 95% while FaceID is around 60% or less. I have even had several instances of pocket dialing or opening random apps because I inadvertently unlocked my phone with a glance while i was putting it in my pocket (never happened to me prior to FaceID).
Ideally they would bring back TouchID and allow users to choose which technology they want to use (TouchID/FaceID/Pin Code only). Allow the user to decide which they prefer as each has pros / cons.
The notch isn’t silly or nonsense. It’s no more bothersome in real usage than a rear-view mirror is on a windscreen. Yeah it takes up some space, but it really doesn’t matter.
Of course they will work to shrink and eliminate it tho.
It’s both to me, and along with FaceID is the major reason I haven’t upgraded yet (that and my current phone still works so great, that fabulous extra gig of RAM really set it apart from the 6). I figured they’d get rid of both eventually, and it looks like I might be right.
You have never used Face ID or the OLED screen with notch. So your post is basically silly nonsense. You like what you like, but to judge a product like you have is just ridiculous.
Honestly your post sounds like your are justifying not upgrading your phone by trashing the newer models.
My Xs Max is gorgeous and runs smooth and crisp with Face ID. It took me about a day to truly get used to using it and not the thumb to access the phone. I watch videos on YouTube daily and the notch isn’t and issue at all. I honestly thought it would be when I first saw it on the X, and then using it when I bought the the Xs Max.
Nope, I just don’t like the look of the notch, it’s aesthetically displeasing, period. I don’t see that changing if I used the phone. If the notch and FaceTime went bye-bye this year I’d consider upgrading even though my current phone still works like a charm.
Oh dear God! I am so sorry for you. If this really bothers you as aesthetically displeasing then your life must be so sad.
The notch isn’t silly or nonsense. It’s no more bothersome in real usage than a rear-view mirror is on a windscreen. Yeah it takes up some space, but it really doesn’t matter.
Of course they will work to shrink and eliminate it tho.
It’s both to me, and along with FaceID is the major reason I haven’t upgraded yet (that and my current phone still works so great, that fabulous extra gig of RAM really set it apart from the 6). I figured they’d get rid of both eventually, and it looks like I might be right.
You have never used Face ID or the OLED screen with notch. So your post is basically silly nonsense. You like what you like, but to judge a product like you have is just ridiculous.
Honestly your post sounds like your are justifying not upgrading your phone by trashing the newer models.
My Xs Max is gorgeous and runs smooth and crisp with Face ID. It took me about a day to truly get used to using it and not the thumb to access the phone. I watch videos on YouTube daily and the notch isn’t and issue at all. I honestly thought it would be when I first saw it on the X, and then using it when I bought the the Xs Max.
Nope, I just don’t like the look of the notch, it’s aesthetically displeasing, period. I don’t see that changing if I used the phone. If the notch and FaceTime went bye-bye this year I’d consider upgrading even though my current phone still works like a charm.
Oh dear God! I am so sorry for you. If this really bothers you as aesthetically displeasing then your life must be so sad.
Don’t be sorry sweetie, my life is great; I’d just rather wait out the notch and FaceID. Cheers!
The notch isn’t silly or nonsense. It’s no more bothersome in real usage than a rear-view mirror is on a windscreen. Yeah it takes up some space, but it really doesn’t matter.
Of course they will work to shrink and eliminate it tho.
It’s both to me, and along with FaceID is the major reason I haven’t upgraded yet (that and my current phone still works so great, that fabulous extra gig of RAM really set it apart from the 6). I figured they’d get rid of both eventually, and it looks like I might be right.
You have never used Face ID or the OLED screen with notch. So your post is basically silly nonsense. You like what you like, but to judge a product like you have is just ridiculous.
Honestly your post sounds like your are justifying not upgrading your phone by trashing the newer models.
My Xs Max is gorgeous and runs smooth and crisp with Face ID. It took me about a day to truly get used to using it and not the thumb to access the phone. I watch videos on YouTube daily and the notch isn’t and issue at all. I honestly thought it would be when I first saw it on the X, and then using it when I bought the the Xs Max.
Nope, I just don’t like the look of the notch, it’s aesthetically displeasing, period. I don’t see that changing if I used the phone. If the notch and FaceTime went bye-bye this year I’d consider upgrading even though my current phone still works like a charm.
Oh dear God! I am so sorry for you. If this really bothers you as aesthetically displeasing then your life must be so sad.
The notch isn't a dealbreaker for me with my X, but I'll definitely be happy to see it go, there are a couple of apps where it gets in the way. I'd have preferred they'd had a solid forehead to the phone and kept a rectangular screen.
How does it get in the way? If so, it's a badly designed app, not Apple's fault. It shouldn't interfere with anything.
Certain games and apps expect a rectangular screen and the notch blocks interface elements that occupy the side of the screen.
Blaming the app designer doesn't really get me anywhere, it's still a problem that would be solved by having a rectangular screen. And I think accommodating a screen that is a silly shape is preferably something that developers of apps and games (especially cross-platform ones) shouldn't have to be concerned with, it's fiddly nonsense.
Don’t games have to opt in to go full full screen on the iPhone X? so like video should be not be notch effected unless someone ticked a box but didn’t then fix the interface to suit.
The notch isn't a dealbreaker for me with my X, but I'll definitely be happy to see it go, there are a couple of apps where it gets in the way. I'd have preferred they'd had a solid forehead to the phone and kept a rectangular screen.
How does it get in the way? If so, it's a badly designed app, not Apple's fault. It shouldn't interfere with anything.
Certain games and apps expect a rectangular screen and the notch blocks interface elements that occupy the side of the screen.
Blaming the app designer doesn't really get me anywhere, it's still a problem that would be solved by having a rectangular screen. And I think accommodating a screen that is a silly shape is preferably something that developers of apps and games (especially cross-platform ones) shouldn't have to be concerned with, it's fiddly nonsense.
Don’t games have to opt in to go full full screen on the iPhone X? so like video should be not be notch effected unless someone ticked a box but didn’t then fix the interface to suit.
No idea. I don't have any games that don't fill the screen, and some of them are quite old, so maybe it's opt out?
The notch isn't a dealbreaker for me with my X, but I'll definitely be happy to see it go, there are a couple of apps where it gets in the way. I'd have preferred they'd had a solid forehead to the phone and kept a rectangular screen.
How does it get in the way? If so, it's a badly designed app, not Apple's fault. It shouldn't interfere with anything.
Certain games and apps expect a rectangular screen and the notch blocks interface elements that occupy the side of the screen.
Blaming the app designer doesn't really get me anywhere, it's still a problem that would be solved by having a rectangular screen. And I think accommodating a screen that is a silly shape is preferably something that developers of apps and games (especially cross-platform ones) shouldn't have to be concerned with, it's fiddly nonsense.
Right, because all screen sizes on Android devices are the same size and aspect ratio.
The notch isn't a dealbreaker for me with my X, but I'll definitely be happy to see it go, there are a couple of apps where it gets in the way. I'd have preferred they'd had a solid forehead to the phone and kept a rectangular screen.
How does it get in the way? If so, it's a badly designed app, not Apple's fault. It shouldn't interfere with anything.
Certain games and apps expect a rectangular screen and the notch blocks interface elements that occupy the side of the screen.
Blaming the app designer doesn't really get me anywhere, it's still a problem that would be solved by having a rectangular screen. And I think accommodating a screen that is a silly shape is preferably something that developers of apps and games (especially cross-platform ones) shouldn't have to be concerned with, it's fiddly nonsense.
Right, because all screen sizes on Android devices are the same size and aspect ratio.
The notch isn't a dealbreaker for me with my X, but I'll definitely be happy to see it go, there are a couple of apps where it gets in the way. I'd have preferred they'd had a solid forehead to the phone and kept a rectangular screen.
How does it get in the way? If so, it's a badly designed app, not Apple's fault. It shouldn't interfere with anything.
Certain games and apps expect a rectangular screen and the notch blocks interface elements that occupy the side of the screen.
Blaming the app designer doesn't really get me anywhere, it's still a problem that would be solved by having a rectangular screen. And I think accommodating a screen that is a silly shape is preferably something that developers of apps and games (especially cross-platform ones) shouldn't have to be concerned with, it's fiddly nonsense.
Right, because all screen sizes on Android devices are the same size and aspect ratio.
What has Android got to do with anything?
"especially cross-platform ones"
If they're cross platform, then they're already designing for a wide variety of screen sizes, adding one more for the X/X Max sizes isn't going to move the needle.
The notch isn't a dealbreaker for me with my X, but I'll definitely be happy to see it go, there are a couple of apps where it gets in the way. I'd have preferred they'd had a solid forehead to the phone and kept a rectangular screen.
How does it get in the way? If so, it's a badly designed app, not Apple's fault. It shouldn't interfere with anything.
Certain games and apps expect a rectangular screen and the notch blocks interface elements that occupy the side of the screen.
Blaming the app designer doesn't really get me anywhere, it's still a problem that would be solved by having a rectangular screen. And I think accommodating a screen that is a silly shape is preferably something that developers of apps and games (especially cross-platform ones) shouldn't have to be concerned with, it's fiddly nonsense.
Right, because all screen sizes on Android devices are the same size and aspect ratio.
What has Android got to do with anything?
"especially cross-platform ones"
If they're cross platform, then they're already designing for a wide variety of screen sizes, adding one more for the X/X Max sizes isn't going to move the needle.
The majority of those screens are rectangular, and size and ratio have by-and-large been accommodated into development processes. Those that aren't rectangular I would certainly tar with the same brush, though if Apple wants to claim the mantle of innovator then they're going to carry the blame for the negative consequences of those innovations.
The notch isn't a dealbreaker for me with my X, but I'll definitely be happy to see it go, there are a couple of apps where it gets in the way. I'd have preferred they'd had a solid forehead to the phone and kept a rectangular screen.
How does it get in the way? If so, it's a badly designed app, not Apple's fault. It shouldn't interfere with anything.
Certain games and apps expect a rectangular screen and the notch blocks interface elements that occupy the side of the screen.
Blaming the app designer doesn't really get me anywhere, it's still a problem that would be solved by having a rectangular screen. And I think accommodating a screen that is a silly shape is preferably something that developers of apps and games (especially cross-platform ones) shouldn't have to be concerned with, it's fiddly nonsense.
Right, because all screen sizes on Android devices are the same size and aspect ratio.
What has Android got to do with anything?
"especially cross-platform ones"
If they're cross platform, then they're already designing for a wide variety of screen sizes, adding one more for the X/X Max sizes isn't going to move the needle.
The majority of those screens are rectangular, and size and ratio have by-and-large been accommodated into development processes. Those that aren't rectangular I would certainly tar with the same brush, though if Apple wants to claim the mantle of innovator then they're going to carry the blame for the negative consequences of those innovations.
Outside better security with FaceID, TouchID is vastly superior:
- you don’t need to look at the phone to unlock it. There are situations where this is preferred, e.g in a car or in bed. - it works both in landscape/portrait on the phone - it has a better and more logical user experience when used in conjunction with Apple Pay - it has a better user experience when unlocking - no obnoxious animation on-screen to cover the authentication delay.
Good thing about FaceID: - you can use gloves and authenticate just fine
Personally I hope both technologies get so cheap to produce that they are incorporate both. FaceID has other purposes such as meshing your face for augmented reality experiences, so I can imagine that a future phone with full screen TouchID and FaceID will aim to use both to authenticate you (first one that ‘wins’ is used).
On this forum I saw someone say TouchID is better than FaceID and vice versa. At least you clarified certain reasons for such claims. Thanks. But I think the most important comparison is the chance for false positives and false negatives. Those are different kinds of errors. Someone quoted an Apple document that says the chance for a false positive with FaceID was 1 in a million for most situations. How does that compare to TouchID with false positives? And what about false negatives? I have normal fingerprints and I get the feeling that maybe one in ten times it doesn't accept my finger. (It's partly my fault because my finger isn't always lined up accurately but that's part of the design of the product since I'm not Superman.) That's a huge false negative rate.
In my personal experience, FaceID fails me much more than TouchID. So that would be a ‘false negative’. It’s not always clear why it failed when my face isn’t covered. It could be the camera getting too much light, facial hair differences...hard to tell because the reason for failure isn’t exposed to the user. Funny you mentioned TouchID is failing you a lot - that hasn’t been the case with me, but I have to say wet fingers (living in a wet country) isn’t helping. I don’t have experiences with false positives - I can imagine twins might have that issue, but for me not a single time someone was able to authenticate on my phone through FaceID (that said - nor is TouchID).
You have never used Face ID or the OLED screen with notch. So your post is basically silly nonsense.
Well, I have, since I had both an iPhone XR and iPhone XS, and ended up returning both and ‘upgrading’ my experience to an iPhone 8, which actually has a reliable and functional user interface (ie is an iPhone) instead of the Android clone that the Jony Ive created ‘X’ series iPhones are.
The notch serves a purpose, sure, but it’s the consequence of a set of decisions that would never have been made had the product been managed by an individual with some sense of functionality.
The loss of the Home Button because they dropped TouchID was far more disastrous, though, than the notch. The notch was just a very poorly implemented design decision, when it could have been rendered invisible by simply making it part of a black menu bar - but since they eliminated the iconic visual branding of the Home Button, some idiot at Apple (who has now been fired) felt that by creating a visually noticeable ‘notch’, that it would replace the iconic visual branding — except that since it wasn’t patented, every Android maker had a notch on their device — making it nearly impossible to distinguish iPhone from Android devices, at a glance.
Idiocy, pure idiocy. Glad that guy got fired.
It took me about a day to truly get used to using it and not the thumb to access the phone.
The ONE qualifier / comment that I *never* should have to hear about an Apple Product, ever - “You’ll get used to it”. Anyone who says that really just shows that they don’t understand Apple product philosophy at all, sorry to say.
You have never used Face ID or the OLED screen with notch. So your post is basically silly nonsense.
Well, I have, since I had both an iPhone XR and iPhone XS, and ended up returning both and ‘upgrading’ my experience to an iPhone 8, which actually has a reliable and functional user interface (ie is an iPhone) instead of the Android clone that the Jony Ive created ‘X’ series iPhones are.
The notch serves a purpose, sure, but it’s the consequence of a set of decisions that would never have been made had the product been managed by an individual with some sense of functionality.
The loss of the Home Button because they dropped TouchID was far more disastrous, though, than the notch. The notch was just a very poorly implemented design decision, when it could have been rendered invisible by simply making it part of a black menu bar - but since they eliminated the iconic visual branding of the Home Button, some idiot at Apple (who has now been fired) felt that by creating a visually noticeable ‘notch’, that it would replace the iconic visual branding — except that since it wasn’t patented, every Android maker had a notch on their device — making it nearly impossible to distinguish iPhone from Android devices, at a glance.
Idiocy, pure idiocy. Glad that guy got fired.
It took me about a day to truly get used to using it and not the thumb to access the phone.
The ONE qualifier / comment that I *never* should have to hear about an Apple Product, ever - “You’ll get used to it”. Anyone who says that really just shows that they don’t understand Apple product philosophy at all, sorry to say.
That’s the (hopefully ultimately true) news I’ve been waiting to hear! My nearly four-year-old 128GB iPhone 6S Plus is running better than ever before on iOS 12.3, better than when it was brand-new even, so I’ll easily be able to skip the 2019 models and hold out for a hopefully notchless 2020 model, or maybe even a notchless-with-fullscreen-TouchID 2021 model. So glad I’ll have completely skipped the silly notch and FaceID nonsense. Maybe by then I’ll even be able to get black AirPods and my life will be complete at last.
The only time I notice the notch is when people whine about it.
And as far as FaceID, if you're waiting for that to go away, you should start stocking up on iPhone 6 batteries. Going to be a long wait.
That is so true about not noticing the notch until others comment or complain about it. I’ve owned every iPhone since the beginning (2007), and while upgrading annually isn’t cheap, I’ve never enjoyed and appreciated a piece of technology as much as I do the iPhone.
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As for the lack of a physical home button. There are times I do miss having that as I could more easily navigate the phone by feel but the extra screen space makes up for not having it.
Finally, as for FaceID/TouchID. I would much rather have TouchID back. If I were to measure the success rate of the technologies based on either A.) failed login attempts, B.) unintentional logins, or C.) number of times having to enter my pin code instead... than I would say my TouchID iPhones were roughly 95% while FaceID is around 60% or less. I have even had several instances of pocket dialing or opening random apps because I inadvertently unlocked my phone with a glance while i was putting it in my pocket (never happened to me prior to FaceID). Ideally they would bring back TouchID and allow users to choose which technology they want to use (TouchID/FaceID/Pin Code only). Allow the user to decide which they prefer as each has pros / cons.
so like video should be not be notch effected unless someone ticked a box but didn’t then fix the interface to suit.
If they're cross platform, then they're already designing for a wide variety of screen sizes, adding one more for the X/X Max sizes isn't going to move the needle.
Funny you mentioned TouchID is failing you a lot - that hasn’t been the case with me, but I have to say wet fingers (living in a wet country) isn’t helping.
I don’t have experiences with false positives - I can imagine twins might have that issue, but for me not a single time someone was able to authenticate on my phone through FaceID (that said - nor is TouchID).