Apple stops shipments of iPhone SE, 6, 6 Plus, 6s Plus in India

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  • Reply 21 of 28
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,771member
    melgross said:
    melgross said:

    Rajka said:
    The average annual income in India is pegged at $1790. No doubt raising the price of the iPhone will lead to greater market share there. Maybe Indians can find a way to give up both kidneys.
    You forget Apple isn’t targeting ave. Indians with $1800 yearly income. They are targeting Tier 1 city folks & people in the upper middle class. For these people Apple should inprove the services of hardware with Apple Stores & services.Numbers don’t  matter much to Apple. Even though their market share is less their profits & revenue in India has increased. 
    The middle class in India is smaller than you think. It’s also poorer than the middle class in China, which is poorer than in the US. Phone sales have been contracting in India for several years. When you have very sales, which is the case for Apple, you have no profit either. It’s costing Apple a grr]eat deal to set up in India with no real payback so far.

    numbers do matter to Apple, and I’m tired of people saying otherwise.
    You are wrong. I said upper middle class & Tier 1 city folks.In the economic times article it clearly states that Apple’s profits & revenue are increasing in India. Plus the investments Foxconn is putting in India is for making it an export hub, with 80%-90% production capacity going to foreign iPhone markets.Domestic markets aren’t big in India. Plus Apple won’t lower its standard for India. And that’s excellent.
    I’d like to see that article, or a quote from it, since I no longer subscribe. Something recent, that is.
    It seems you are almost certainly correct and Racehomie wrong about Indian iPhone sales and revenues. Maybe he was looking at an old article? 
    https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/features/story/apple-iphone-sale-down-big-time-in-2019-data-shows-it-is-probably-too-expensive-for-indian-consumers-1561824-2019-07-04
    kestralmuthuk_vanalingam
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  • Reply 22 of 28
    JWSCjwsc Posts: 1,203member
    melgross said:

    Rajka said:
    The average annual income in India is pegged at $1790. No doubt raising the price of the iPhone will lead to greater market share there. Maybe Indians can find a way to give up both kidneys.
    You forget Apple isn’t targeting ave. Indians with $1800 yearly income. They are targeting Tier 1 city folks & people in the upper middle class. For these people Apple should inprove the services of hardware with Apple Stores & services.Numbers don’t  matter much to Apple. Even though their market share is less their profits & revenue in India has increased. 
    The middle class in India is smaller than you think. It’s also poorer than the middle class in China, which is poorer than in the US. ...
    It all depends on how you define the middle class in China.  The number of people in China that are as wealthy as, or more wealthy than, the 50th percentile in the US, is a larger number than in the US.
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  • Reply 23 of 28
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,717member
    JWSC said:
    melgross said:

    Rajka said:
    The average annual income in India is pegged at $1790. No doubt raising the price of the iPhone will lead to greater market share there. Maybe Indians can find a way to give up both kidneys.
    You forget Apple isn’t targeting ave. Indians with $1800 yearly income. They are targeting Tier 1 city folks & people in the upper middle class. For these people Apple should inprove the services of hardware with Apple Stores & services.Numbers don’t  matter much to Apple. Even though their market share is less their profits & revenue in India has increased. 
    The middle class in India is smaller than you think. It’s also poorer than the middle class in China, which is poorer than in the US. ...
    It all depends on how you define the middle class in China.  The number of people in China that are as wealthy as, or more wealthy than, the 50th percentile in the US, is a larger number than in the US.
    Depending on who you read, China’s middle class is anywhere between 400 to 700 million people.
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  • Reply 24 of 28
    racerhomie3racerhomie3 Posts: 1,266member
    gatorguy said:
    melgross said:
    melgross said:

    Rajka said:
    The average annual income in India is pegged at $1790. No doubt raising the price of the iPhone will lead to greater market share there. Maybe Indians can find a way to give up both kidneys.
    You forget Apple isn’t targeting ave. Indians with $1800 yearly income. They are targeting Tier 1 city folks & people in the upper middle class. For these people Apple should inprove the services of hardware with Apple Stores & services.Numbers don’t  matter much to Apple. Even though their market share is less their profits & revenue in India has increased. 
    The middle class in India is smaller than you think. It’s also poorer than the middle class in China, which is poorer than in the US. Phone sales have been contracting in India for several years. When you have very sales, which is the case for Apple, you have no profit either. It’s costing Apple a grr]eat deal to set up in India with no real payback so far.

    numbers do matter to Apple, and I’m tired of people saying otherwise.
    You are wrong. I said upper middle class & Tier 1 city folks.In the economic times article it clearly states that Apple’s profits & revenue are increasing in India. Plus the investments Foxconn is putting in India is for making it an export hub, with 80%-90% production capacity going to foreign iPhone markets.Domestic markets aren’t big in India. Plus Apple won’t lower its standard for India. And that’s excellent.
    I’d like to see that article, or a quote from it, since I no longer subscribe. Something recent, that is.
    It seems you are almost certainly correct and Racehomie wrong about Indian iPhone sales and revenues. Maybe he was looking at an old article? 
    https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/features/story/apple-iphone-sale-down-big-time-in-2019-data-shows-it-is-probably-too-expensive-for-indian-consumers-1561824-2019-07-04
    The Economic times article linked in the AI article says Apple’s India revenue & profits are up. Their marketshare has decreased from 2.6% to 1.3% but profits are up.
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  • Reply 25 of 28
    kenaustuskenaustus Posts: 924member
    I'm hoping that a new SE sized iPhone is announced in September. My wife owns an SE and refuses to  use anything larger,  The XR (the cheapest X Series iPhone) is a joke for those with smaller hands,  It's simply uncomfortable  to use.  The current design points in the X Series (or the XI Series) is where the SE point needs to one.

    The SE also opens the door to a traditional marketing program of upgrades used by the auto industry for generations.  GM would start you with a Chevy, move you to a Pontiac, then an Olds (or Buick) and maybe a Caddy.  Toyota has that. same approach, but starts you with a Corolla,

    Apple can take that same path with lower costs iPhones like the SE and base level Macs.  The difference between the Apple approach and the auto approach would be how  easily upgrading Apples would be compared to cars.
    leftoverbacon
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  • Reply 26 of 28
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,717member
    gatorguy said:
    melgross said:
    melgross said:

    Rajka said:
    The average annual income in India is pegged at $1790. No doubt raising the price of the iPhone will lead to greater market share there. Maybe Indians can find a way to give up both kidneys.
    You forget Apple isn’t targeting ave. Indians with $1800 yearly income. They are targeting Tier 1 city folks & people in the upper middle class. For these people Apple should inprove the services of hardware with Apple Stores & services.Numbers don’t  matter much to Apple. Even though their market share is less their profits & revenue in India has increased. 
    The middle class in India is smaller than you think. It’s also poorer than the middle class in China, which is poorer than in the US. Phone sales have been contracting in India for several years. When you have very sales, which is the case for Apple, you have no profit either. It’s costing Apple a grr]eat deal to set up in India with no real payback so far.

    numbers do matter to Apple, and I’m tired of people saying otherwise.
    You are wrong. I said upper middle class & Tier 1 city folks.In the economic times article it clearly states that Apple’s profits & revenue are increasing in India. Plus the investments Foxconn is putting in India is for making it an export hub, with 80%-90% production capacity going to foreign iPhone markets.Domestic markets aren’t big in India. Plus Apple won’t lower its standard for India. And that’s excellent.
    I’d like to see that article, or a quote from it, since I no longer subscribe. Something recent, that is.
    It seems you are almost certainly correct and Racehomie wrong about Indian iPhone sales and revenues. Maybe he was looking at an old article? 
    https://www.indiatoday.in/technology/features/story/apple-iphone-sale-down-big-time-in-2019-data-shows-it-is-probably-too-expensive-for-indian-consumers-1561824-2019-07-04
    The Economic times article linked in the AI article says Apple’s India revenue & profits are up. Their marketshare has decreased from 2.6% to 1.3% but profits are up.
    edited July 2019
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  • Reply 27 of 28
    melgrossmelgross Posts: 33,717member
    for some reason, I can’t seem to properly comment on the last post. When I try, the cursor ends up within his post.

    so, I’m commenting to it here.

    pretty simple. Apple has almost no sales in India. Is the absolutely tiny profit they may make, which is just a guess, because Apple isn’t reporting it, worth the almost nonexistent sales generated? The answer is a resounding NO!

    stop talking about profits. Profits aren’t everything.
    muthuk_vanalingam
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  • Reply 28 of 28
    Sad about the SE. It’s a smaller 6s, just with slower TouchID. 
    6/6+ need to go though, no OS updates. 
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