XP is a bit off hit or miss. it's actually a decent OS crash wise, and it is decent in regards to drivers.
what i've seen with XP more often than not, is that if it doesn't work right, it DOESN'T work, period.
if it works ok when you get it, it will likely keep working for you.
new hardware/software can give it fits though. then there are the problems that can arise going from XP home and Pro. Pro is necessary for some pretty simple things.
Sorry, this is off-topic, but what is that a reference to? Pardon my ignorance...</strong><hr></blockquote>
an old iMac commercial where there was 2 steps to the internet: 1 plug in 2 turn on 3 there is no step three... <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" /> pretty shitty commercial if you ask me.... jeff goldblum is retarded... how did he get that job?
<strong>Better stability, true plug & play (no drivers), </strong><hr></blockquote>
FALSE a BIG FALSE!
My Cannon Scanner had to have drivers to work on my iBook and it was a pain in the you know what. It worked on my Sony Vaio running Windows XP just fine with no help.
I have found that the PC is much easier to do just about everything aside from how well iTunes works on the mac.
[quote]Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook:
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FALSE a BIG FALSE!
My Cannon Scanner had to have drivers to work on my iBook and it was a pain in the you know what. It worked on my Sony Vaio running Windows XP just fine with no help.
I have found that the PC is much easier to do just about everything aside from how well iTunes works on the mac.
Fellowship</strong><hr></blockquote>
This is down to canon, they make good cameras but they are fookers for drivers.
As for the pc is easier bit, i tend to disagree. X86 is a lot slower than the PPC and windows will bite yer ass at everyturn.
I've taught many people to use windows and for them to be comfortable with it, web browsing, downloading, installing apps and uninstalling, on average it takes them about a month, and then they have to learn how to format a HD and reinstall windows(very common). whereas on a mac you can easily teach someone and they'll be very happy in a day.
Oh, by the way, try compiling source code on a windows machine and then on a mac, mac wins.
The thing that gets me, is people say PCs are cheaper, well they are, but PC people are constantly upgrading after upgrade, by the time there finished they could of bought 10 macs.
To me a computer is a tool and nothing more, I spend significantly less time managing my Mac than if I had a Windows machine. Simple as that, less than 1-2% of my time in front of my Mac is spent on non-work tasks. I can't remember the last time I had to maintain my electric drill.
[quote]Originally posted by FellowshipChurch iBook:
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FALSE a BIG FALSE!
My Cannon Scanner had to have drivers to work on my iBook and it was a pain in the you know what. It worked on my Sony Vaio running Windows XP just fine with no help.
I have found that the PC is much easier to do just about everything aside from how well iTunes works on the mac.
Fellowship</strong><hr></blockquote>
Wierd. My Canon Lide 30 works just fine on my iBook. Maybe your iBook or Scanner are a bit older than mine though.
XP works very well at instantly recognizing hardware and letting it work correctly, but it does tend to get int he way more than OSX.
It all depends on your intended use. Windows is quite reliable in fact, and if your needs are basic, no one can in good conscience recommend someone pay the obscene price premium a mac demands.
It is very hard to explain to someone in quantitative terms, why I (or any of us?) prefer using a Mac. PCs and Macs have both evolved into perfectly usable systems for nearly all tasks.
I suppose one just has to live with two systems to understand. I use a PC (Win2000) at work and a Mac at home. At work, I am not exaggerating when I say that I have to fight to get done what I need to. I just got a new machine here and, two days later, I still can't get Outlook to keep my preferences do to some permissions problem.
People like to say that Macs "just work." That may be true, but it doesn't tell the whole story. They "just work" because they are more intuitive to use. If you need to do something you don't immediately know how to do, you can generally figure it out just by using common sense (I believe Amorph put it best when he described OS X as "discoverable")
Another thing about Macs vs. PCs is a general difference in philosophy between Apple and Microsoft. MS, when faced with a design decision, tends to pass the decision off to the use by giving an option. Apple tends to make the decision for the user. This, at first, seems limiting, (and used to think so myself) but I have come to realize that Apple must spend a great deal of time debating details, all for the benefit of the user. You get a sense that Apple developers sit down and really work to make our lives easier and more productive.
Doing similar tasks, I am *far* more productive on my Mac. I don't think that I could explain why easily though; my Mac works with me, while my PC is just a tool. That sounds so lame, but I expect that many here have similiar opinions?
OSes aside, I also feel that the bundled software (iLife, etc.) is far superior on a Mac. The integration and power, balanced with ease of use, are second to none. I also find that the quality of Mac shareware is generally higher than that available for the PC.
Point being: both machines can do the job, but the Mac, in my experience, does the job with less headache for me.
<strong>XP works very well at instantly recognizing hardware and letting it work correctly, but it does tend to get int he way more than OSX.
It all depends on your intended use. Windows is quite reliable in fact, and if your needs are basic, no one can in good conscience recommend someone pay the obscene price premium a mac demands.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I would add to this that I have had XP since Dec 2001 and It has never crashed. NEVER not even once. No Blue screen. No nothing. When I had Windows 98 on an older machine I thought I would go to mac for good I was fed up with windows. Windows 98 crashed all the time on me and it locked up doing simple things. It was awful. I took a chance on a new Sony Vaio XP home edition and I will say that since Dec of 2001 it has never crashed. I do not have applications crash nor the OS. It is by FAR the most stable OS I have ever used. I bought my iBook later after that and it was my first mac purchase. I thought Why not I could be a dual platform user. I needed a laptop and I thought it would be cool to have the new iBook with the new OSX. While it was my first mac purchase I had used macs in school. In school I used older OS's on the mac not OSX. So in a nutshell I get the iBook and I love it and I hate it. Right off the bat everything was harder to get to work on my iBook and some things just did not work on my iBook. I had bought a $1,000 Sony Digital Camera and it burnes the files on small CD's. The CD's can be put directly in my PC and I can read the folder of JPEGS etc. NOT MY iBOOK. It will NOT do it. PERIOD. I went to the apple store and called apple. Looked at the website FAQ. I went to CompUSA. No way to do it. For those who say all things are easier on a mac. Not if you use other hardware with it.
All I could do after finding out my $1,000 Camera was not so workable with my iBook was to transfer files via a USB cable and it is a slow process. It wastes my cameras battery life to do it that way and it pisses me off to this day.
Not only was I upset at this reality of the mac I had another thing that pissed me off.
I had XP and was so used to viewing tons of pics in a folder with thumbnail view. Thumbnail view lets you see a preview of all the pic files rather than icons that say JPG dsc2031. If you are looking for a specific photo it allowes you to locate the photo in an instant rather than one by one doing a preview in the pane. One by one is SLOW and worthless if you ask me. I need thumbnail view for all the icons in the folder. XP does it and quite well I might add. When I got my iBook which was a date after I had my XP Vaio it did NOT HAVE THUMBNAIL VIEW IN FOLDERS OF PICTURE FILES. Just stupid folders of generic icons that all say JPG with the file name below such as DSC0236 I don't know DSC0236 from the man in the moon. If I am looking for a specific picture out of a folder of 50 files do you know how long it will take me to find it with one at a time preview in a pane. You have to take your mouse pointer and click each file wait for the preview in the pane to render then move on to the next. BULL CRAP. I thought Mac was ahead of the game. In Fact Mac is BEHIND. Well.. I was pissed at this as well. Another reason to hate my iBook. UNTIL Jaguar came out a few months later and I threw away $130 to get features I should have had in the first place. I felt that was the biggest screwing Apple had done to date. Charge me for an upgrade that gets their new flagship OSX up to speed with XP. What a rip off! and they say Bill Gates is Greedy BULL CRAP. Apple is the most expensive excuse for an upgrade to Jaguar I have ever seen. So after getting screwed I install Jaguar and what do you know. My iBook still can not read my small disks from my Sony digital camera. I was hoping it would It DOES NOT! What they did get right $130 later and months and months after Windows XP already did it was to get thumbnail view options in folders. I was so happy when that happened. BUT it should have already been part of OSX.
I have both XP and OSX and while OSX is cute and pretty. It is slow as a dog. Watching the spinning beach ball is something to get used to not to mention on my iBook I get application crashes on a regular occasion.
OSX or XP?
XP is clearly more stable with more devices and applications. It simply works with my Camera, Printer, Scanner, Software.
I left out the most important difference in my XP Vaio and my iBook.
SPEED. Pentium 4 chips are FAST I don't care what any clown says.
My PC only has 256 meg of memory while my ibook has 640 meg and my iBook gets slowed down like a lawnmower trying to cut grass that is too much for the lawnmower. My PC is Instant.
One other BIG problem on the mac.
Browsing the internet. I have Safari, OmniWeb, Netscape 7, IE for mac, as well as chimera and do you know they all screw up common webpages? Yes on my iBook I never can browse the net without something screwing up. None of the browsers for the mac can properly render webpages. None of them. Don't ask me how I know this. I know it from experiance and it Sucks. On my PC running IE I NEVER have a problem with websites. They ALL render correctly.
To list a few I have problems with on the mac:
BBC news
MSNBC
Ameritrade
TD Waterhouse
many others.
I hope I gave clear and honest feedback to this question.
I again am a dual platform user. By NO means a switcher.
Call me crazy, but I actually think the fact that there is less software available for the mac is a good thing. If there is something I want to do on my iBook (that doesn't come with the already built-in suite of fabulous software Apple provides) then I don't have to trawl through a million garbage, buggy applications to find something that works.
There may be less software available for the mac but it seems, on the whole, to be easier to use, more elegant, and of a higher quality.
I can't think of a single piece of software available for the PC that is not available for the Mac that I would consider purchasing a PC to use. (Can you tell I'm not a gamer? )
besides all the other reasons the key for me was the residual vale. 3 or 4 year old macs sell at a much higher prices than pc's of that are. With a mac you can cut your monetary loss on purchasing a new one by selling the old.
I'm a developer and finishing up my PhD in Computer Science.
Simply, there is no better OS out there for what I do. The machine just works, it works well, it works quickly, it makes sense. My advisor has three PCs in his office that he is *constantly* fighting with, one as a server, one as a main workstation, and another for 'fiddling with' (which generally means trying out cameras, drivers, etc, so he can blast the installation all the hades without affecting his main work machine.)
Ex: we're working on a project involving live transparent video. He spent three weeks trying out four FireWire cameras trying to get them to work without kernel panicking his machine. As I was in office, and he was ranting about this, I downloaded BTV's video viewer, then asked him casually "Can I see that camera?". I plugged it into the back of my Pismo laptop, and video came up immediately. I flipped it around and said "Like this?" His jaw dropped.
Later, he was trying to get the transparency working. Turns out that the video architecture on Windows fundamentally prevents him from doing what he wants. (It's not a case of not being able to do it easily, it's a case of not being able to do it *period* without diving into bypassing the internal Windows window management calls.) I was able to whip up a full-screen transparent live video app in 45 minutes that night on my Pismo using Cocoa. Including learning the APIs.
Bottom line: we have a dual G4 on its way for the project. He's not a switcher, but he's *damned* impressed.
I doubt she's doing cutting edge CS research, but I for one appreciate a system, from hardware through the OS, APIs, and up to the UI level, that lends a hand instead of a barrier.
SPEED. Pentium 4 chips are FAST I don't care what any clown says.
My PC only has 256 meg of memory while my ibook has 640 meg and my iBook gets slowed down like a lawnmower trying to cut grass that is too much for the lawnmower. My PC is Instant.
One other BIG problem on the mac.
Browsing the internet. I have Safari, OmniWeb, Netscape 7, IE for mac, as well as chimera and do you know they all screw up common webpages? Yes on my iBook I never can browse the net without something screwing up. None of the browsers for the mac can properly render webpages. None of them. Don't ask me how I know this. I know it from experiance and it Sucks. On my PC running IE I NEVER have a problem with websites. They ALL render
Pc's are fast but there not super computers like the G4 is,
X86 32 bit chip IE 4's are not multitasking chips, run hotter, uses more power and CANNOT do 1 billion calculations a second. P4's may have a higher MHZ, but in reality they dont even compare with a PPC RISC G4 chip. In short they arent faster. I have a athlon 1800 which i have a basic linux install on, X11 and a lightweight wiondow manager, Fluxbox. I only use this to play counter-Strike on and even this minimal system cant keep the pace with my Dual 867 g4. You also mention you like to view pics, you can view thumbnails of pic inside a folder in OSX.
As for the internet, the reason why some browsers dont render certain webpages proberly, has absolutely nothing to do with OSX or macs but rather its down to the people who design the sites you browse as they are designed solely for windows and IE. A proper educated web designer will design a site for all the common browsers and platforms.
Ive been using XP since it came out and every other version since DOS and for you to say XP is more stable is just a load of shite. XP will corrupt itself eventually solely because it uses the registry. You dont get blue screens but you fail to mention that you get crash reports and a lot of them in its place.
and for what its worth im a qualified MS engineer, webdesigner and perl programmer.
<strong>...and for what its worth im a qualified MS engineer, webdesigner and perl programmer....</strong><hr></blockquote>
i think thats worth alot...now if u only were a hardware engineer you'd be set
seriously though thats cool that ur all that and think windows sucks...alot of peole that have invested time and money into windows make themselves belive its good
Windows machines have their place. Right now, I'm assembling a Windows box which will eventually be a pretty nice system with an Athlon XP 1700+, large hard drive, a fast CD-RW drive, and a good graphics card. I'll use it as my workhorse computer so I can get real work done on my 800 MHz iBook
My iBook burns CDs slowly... so if I want to burn a CD, I use the PC. The iBook has a small hard drive... so I can just store stuff on the PC. I could even move all my music over to the PC and then just use that for playing music, and save tons of room on the iBook. Now I want to figure out how to network a PC and a Mac through FireWire. I have an extra FireWire cable and a friend of mine has a FireWire PCI card he'd be willing to sell for fairly cheap. I've heard of IP over FireWire for OS X but I've never tried it. Is it as easy as Windows? A friend of mine showed me FireWire file transferring in Windows and it was very easy I almost couldn't believe it was Windows. He just plugged his laptop into his desktop and it immediately showed up.
There is a lot of stuff in this thread so i'm not going to bother reading it all...so if I say something which has already been said please excuse me.
The reason why I am planning on making the switch is simply because it is so much easier. It never crashes, it does everything I would want it to, it is true plug and play, and it is the easiest computer ever to use. You really need to just let the person play on yours for a little while. That's what got me to want to switch. I used my friends for a day and was able to edit 3d animation in Maya, listen to music, burn a CD, upload pictures from the digital camera, and surf the net without it even slowing down. My PC would crash doing just the first of those tasks...that's when I decided top make the switch. So I can only suggest that you let the person play with it and see how easy it is to do what they need to do.
i think thats worth alot...now if u only were a hardware engineer you'd be set
seriously though thats cool that ur all that and think windows sucks...alot of peole that have invested time and money into windows make themselves belive its good</strong><hr></blockquote>
Your right in saying a lot of people FOOL themselves simply because its all they know. As for myself, i only invested time in windows because it was invested for me. My job at the time was in the IT department for a packaging firm who paid for my education. On a personal level, i am interested in all aspects of computers (not just one platform).
as for the webdesign and perl programming goes, that aint windows only and should never be.
P.S i dont think, i know. Im my own boss now and im currently working with apple script.
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what i've seen with XP more often than not, is that if it doesn't work right, it DOESN'T work, period.
if it works ok when you get it, it will likely keep working for you.
new hardware/software can give it fits though. then there are the problems that can arise going from XP home and Pro. Pro is necessary for some pretty simple things.
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3) There is no step three... haahha...oh sorry bad pun...
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Sorry, this is off-topic, but what is that a reference to? Pardon my ignorance...
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Sorry, this is off-topic, but what is that a reference to? Pardon my ignorance...</strong><hr></blockquote>
an old iMac commercial where there was 2 steps to the internet: 1 plug in 2 turn on 3 there is no step three... <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[oyvey]" /> pretty shitty commercial if you ask me.... jeff goldblum is retarded... how did he get that job?
<strong>Better stability, true plug & play (no drivers), </strong><hr></blockquote>
FALSE a BIG FALSE!
My Cannon Scanner had to have drivers to work on my iBook and it was a pain in the you know what. It worked on my Sony Vaio running Windows XP just fine with no help.
I have found that the PC is much easier to do just about everything aside from how well iTunes works on the mac.
Fellowship
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FALSE a BIG FALSE!
My Cannon Scanner had to have drivers to work on my iBook and it was a pain in the you know what. It worked on my Sony Vaio running Windows XP just fine with no help.
I have found that the PC is much easier to do just about everything aside from how well iTunes works on the mac.
Fellowship</strong><hr></blockquote>
This is down to canon, they make good cameras but they are fookers for drivers.
As for the pc is easier bit, i tend to disagree. X86 is a lot slower than the PPC and windows will bite yer ass at everyturn.
I've taught many people to use windows and for them to be comfortable with it, web browsing, downloading, installing apps and uninstalling, on average it takes them about a month, and then they have to learn how to format a HD and reinstall windows(very common). whereas on a mac you can easily teach someone and they'll be very happy in a day.
Oh, by the way, try compiling source code on a windows machine and then on a mac, mac wins.
The thing that gets me, is people say PCs are cheaper, well they are, but PC people are constantly upgrading after upgrade, by the time there finished they could of bought 10 macs.
has the Mac truly lost its edge? has Windows XP caught up enough to make the differences negligible?
:-(
I just got a new PC and you could go crazy installing the drivers alone.
The Mac is truly plug & play.
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FALSE a BIG FALSE!
My Cannon Scanner had to have drivers to work on my iBook and it was a pain in the you know what. It worked on my Sony Vaio running Windows XP just fine with no help.
I have found that the PC is much easier to do just about everything aside from how well iTunes works on the mac.
Fellowship</strong><hr></blockquote>
Wierd. My Canon Lide 30 works just fine on my iBook. Maybe your iBook or Scanner are a bit older than mine though.
It all depends on your intended use. Windows is quite reliable in fact, and if your needs are basic, no one can in good conscience recommend someone pay the obscene price premium a mac demands.
I suppose one just has to live with two systems to understand. I use a PC (Win2000) at work and a Mac at home. At work, I am not exaggerating when I say that I have to fight to get done what I need to. I just got a new machine here and, two days later, I still can't get Outlook to keep my preferences do to some permissions problem.
People like to say that Macs "just work." That may be true, but it doesn't tell the whole story. They "just work" because they are more intuitive to use. If you need to do something you don't immediately know how to do, you can generally figure it out just by using common sense (I believe Amorph put it best when he described OS X as "discoverable")
Another thing about Macs vs. PCs is a general difference in philosophy between Apple and Microsoft. MS, when faced with a design decision, tends to pass the decision off to the use by giving an option. Apple tends to make the decision for the user. This, at first, seems limiting, (and used to think so myself) but I have come to realize that Apple must spend a great deal of time debating details, all for the benefit of the user. You get a sense that Apple developers sit down and really work to make our lives easier and more productive.
Doing similar tasks, I am *far* more productive on my Mac. I don't think that I could explain why easily though; my Mac works with me, while my PC is just a tool. That sounds so lame, but I expect that many here have similiar opinions?
OSes aside, I also feel that the bundled software (iLife, etc.) is far superior on a Mac. The integration and power, balanced with ease of use, are second to none. I also find that the quality of Mac shareware is generally higher than that available for the PC.
Point being: both machines can do the job, but the Mac, in my experience, does the job with less headache for me.
<strong>XP works very well at instantly recognizing hardware and letting it work correctly, but it does tend to get int he way more than OSX.
It all depends on your intended use. Windows is quite reliable in fact, and if your needs are basic, no one can in good conscience recommend someone pay the obscene price premium a mac demands.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I would add to this that I have had XP since Dec 2001 and It has never crashed. NEVER not even once. No Blue screen. No nothing. When I had Windows 98 on an older machine I thought I would go to mac for good I was fed up with windows. Windows 98 crashed all the time on me and it locked up doing simple things. It was awful. I took a chance on a new Sony Vaio XP home edition and I will say that since Dec of 2001 it has never crashed. I do not have applications crash nor the OS. It is by FAR the most stable OS I have ever used. I bought my iBook later after that and it was my first mac purchase. I thought Why not I could be a dual platform user. I needed a laptop and I thought it would be cool to have the new iBook with the new OSX. While it was my first mac purchase I had used macs in school. In school I used older OS's on the mac not OSX. So in a nutshell I get the iBook and I love it and I hate it. Right off the bat everything was harder to get to work on my iBook and some things just did not work on my iBook. I had bought a $1,000 Sony Digital Camera and it burnes the files on small CD's. The CD's can be put directly in my PC and I can read the folder of JPEGS etc. NOT MY iBOOK. It will NOT do it. PERIOD. I went to the apple store and called apple. Looked at the website FAQ. I went to CompUSA. No way to do it. For those who say all things are easier on a mac. Not if you use other hardware with it.
All I could do after finding out my $1,000 Camera was not so workable with my iBook was to transfer files via a USB cable and it is a slow process. It wastes my cameras battery life to do it that way and it pisses me off to this day.
Not only was I upset at this reality of the mac I had another thing that pissed me off.
I had XP and was so used to viewing tons of pics in a folder with thumbnail view. Thumbnail view lets you see a preview of all the pic files rather than icons that say JPG dsc2031. If you are looking for a specific photo it allowes you to locate the photo in an instant rather than one by one doing a preview in the pane. One by one is SLOW and worthless if you ask me. I need thumbnail view for all the icons in the folder. XP does it and quite well I might add. When I got my iBook which was a date after I had my XP Vaio it did NOT HAVE THUMBNAIL VIEW IN FOLDERS OF PICTURE FILES. Just stupid folders of generic icons that all say JPG with the file name below such as DSC0236 I don't know DSC0236 from the man in the moon. If I am looking for a specific picture out of a folder of 50 files do you know how long it will take me to find it with one at a time preview in a pane. You have to take your mouse pointer and click each file wait for the preview in the pane to render then move on to the next. BULL CRAP. I thought Mac was ahead of the game. In Fact Mac is BEHIND. Well.. I was pissed at this as well. Another reason to hate my iBook. UNTIL Jaguar came out a few months later and I threw away $130 to get features I should have had in the first place. I felt that was the biggest screwing Apple had done to date. Charge me for an upgrade that gets their new flagship OSX up to speed with XP. What a rip off! and they say Bill Gates is Greedy BULL CRAP. Apple is the most expensive excuse for an upgrade to Jaguar I have ever seen. So after getting screwed I install Jaguar and what do you know. My iBook still can not read my small disks from my Sony digital camera. I was hoping it would It DOES NOT! What they did get right $130 later and months and months after Windows XP already did it was to get thumbnail view options in folders. I was so happy when that happened. BUT it should have already been part of OSX.
I have both XP and OSX and while OSX is cute and pretty. It is slow as a dog. Watching the spinning beach ball is something to get used to not to mention on my iBook I get application crashes on a regular occasion.
OSX or XP?
XP is clearly more stable with more devices and applications. It simply works with my Camera, Printer, Scanner, Software.
I left out the most important difference in my XP Vaio and my iBook.
SPEED. Pentium 4 chips are FAST I don't care what any clown says.
My PC only has 256 meg of memory while my ibook has 640 meg and my iBook gets slowed down like a lawnmower trying to cut grass that is too much for the lawnmower. My PC is Instant.
One other BIG problem on the mac.
Browsing the internet. I have Safari, OmniWeb, Netscape 7, IE for mac, as well as chimera and do you know they all screw up common webpages? Yes on my iBook I never can browse the net without something screwing up. None of the browsers for the mac can properly render webpages. None of them. Don't ask me how I know this. I know it from experiance and it Sucks. On my PC running IE I NEVER have a problem with websites. They ALL render correctly.
To list a few I have problems with on the mac:
BBC news
MSNBC
Ameritrade
TD Waterhouse
many others.
I hope I gave clear and honest feedback to this question.
I again am a dual platform user. By NO means a switcher.
Fellowship
[ 03-10-2003: Message edited by: FellowshipChurch iBook ]</p>
There may be less software available for the mac but it seems, on the whole, to be easier to use, more elegant, and of a higher quality.
I can't think of a single piece of software available for the PC that is not available for the Mac that I would consider purchasing a PC to use. (Can you tell I'm not a gamer?
Simply, there is no better OS out there for what I do. The machine just works, it works well, it works quickly, it makes sense. My advisor has three PCs in his office that he is *constantly* fighting with, one as a server, one as a main workstation, and another for 'fiddling with' (which generally means trying out cameras, drivers, etc, so he can blast the installation all the hades without affecting his main work machine.)
Ex: we're working on a project involving live transparent video. He spent three weeks trying out four FireWire cameras trying to get them to work without kernel panicking his machine. As I was in office, and he was ranting about this, I downloaded BTV's video viewer, then asked him casually "Can I see that camera?". I plugged it into the back of my Pismo laptop, and video came up immediately. I flipped it around and said "Like this?" His jaw dropped.
Later, he was trying to get the transparency working. Turns out that the video architecture on Windows fundamentally prevents him from doing what he wants. (It's not a case of not being able to do it easily, it's a case of not being able to do it *period* without diving into bypassing the internal Windows window management calls.) I was able to whip up a full-screen transparent live video app in 45 minutes that night on my Pismo using Cocoa. Including learning the APIs.
Bottom line: we have a dual G4 on its way for the project. He's not a switcher, but he's *damned* impressed.
I doubt she's doing cutting edge CS research, but I for one appreciate a system, from hardware through the OS, APIs, and up to the UI level, that lends a hand instead of a barrier.
My PC only has 256 meg of memory while my ibook has 640 meg and my iBook gets slowed down like a lawnmower trying to cut grass that is too much for the lawnmower. My PC is Instant.
One other BIG problem on the mac.
Browsing the internet. I have Safari, OmniWeb, Netscape 7, IE for mac, as well as chimera and do you know they all screw up common webpages? Yes on my iBook I never can browse the net without something screwing up. None of the browsers for the mac can properly render webpages. None of them. Don't ask me how I know this. I know it from experiance and it Sucks. On my PC running IE I NEVER have a problem with websites. They ALL render
Pc's are fast but there not super computers like the G4 is,
X86 32 bit chip IE
As for the internet, the reason why some browsers dont render certain webpages proberly, has absolutely nothing to do with OSX or macs but rather its down to the people who design the sites you browse as they are designed solely for windows and IE. A proper educated web designer will design a site for all the common browsers and platforms.
Ive been using XP since it came out and every other version since DOS and for you to say XP is more stable is just a load of shite. XP will corrupt itself eventually solely because it uses the registry. You dont get blue screens but you fail to mention that you get crash reports and a lot of them in its place.
and for what its worth im a qualified MS engineer, webdesigner and perl programmer.
<strong>...and for what its worth im a qualified MS engineer, webdesigner and perl programmer....</strong><hr></blockquote>
i think thats worth alot...now if u only were a hardware engineer you'd be set
seriously though thats cool that ur all that and think windows sucks...alot of peole that have invested time and money into windows make themselves belive its good
My iBook burns CDs slowly... so if I want to burn a CD, I use the PC. The iBook has a small hard drive... so I can just store stuff on the PC. I could even move all my music over to the PC and then just use that for playing music, and save tons of room on the iBook. Now I want to figure out how to network a PC and a Mac through FireWire. I have an extra FireWire cable and a friend of mine has a FireWire PCI card he'd be willing to sell for fairly cheap. I've heard of IP over FireWire for OS X but I've never tried it. Is it as easy as Windows? A friend of mine showed me FireWire file transferring in Windows and it was very easy I almost couldn't believe it was Windows. He just plugged his laptop into his desktop and it immediately showed up.
The reason why I am planning on making the switch is simply because it is so much easier. It never crashes, it does everything I would want it to, it is true plug and play, and it is the easiest computer ever to use. You really need to just let the person play on yours for a little while. That's what got me to want to switch. I used my friends for a day and was able to edit 3d animation in Maya, listen to music, burn a CD, upload pictures from the digital camera, and surf the net without it even slowing down. My PC would crash doing just the first of those tasks...that's when I decided top make the switch. So I can only suggest that you let the person play with it and see how easy it is to do what they need to do.
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i think thats worth alot...now if u only were a hardware engineer you'd be set
seriously though thats cool that ur all that and think windows sucks...alot of peole that have invested time and money into windows make themselves belive its good</strong><hr></blockquote>
Your right in saying a lot of people FOOL themselves simply because its all they know. As for myself, i only invested time in windows because it was invested for me. My job at the time was in the IT department for a packaging firm who paid for my education. On a personal level, i am interested in all aspects of computers (not just one platform).
as for the webdesign and perl programming goes, that aint windows only and should never be.
P.S i dont think, i know. Im my own boss now and im currently working with apple script.