Apple predicted to launch a 5G MacBook Pro in 2020

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  • Reply 21 of 31
    AppleExposedappleexposed Posts: 1,805unconfirmed, member
    tht said:
    Hmm, maybe the Apple and Qualcomm settlement is bearing some fruit here. One of the big reasons cellular never made it into Apple laptops in the past was surely licensing issues with Qualcomm. It was just too much for just too few customers and wasn’t worth addressing. Now, perhaps the market is finally there.

    LTE on my iPad is one of my favorite things about it. It will surely be one of the favorite features for prospective Mac customers.

    Apple will most likely wait until they can integrate their own modems.
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  • Reply 22 of 31
    Japheyjaphey Posts: 1,773member
    Nice. I was just talking about this very thing on here last week. Clearly there is a demand for cellular connectivity, especially in places where WiFi hotspots aren’t abundant. Now, can we please get FaceID on our MacBooks already?
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  • Reply 23 of 31
    thttht Posts: 6,018member
    tht said:
    Hmm, maybe the Apple and Qualcomm settlement is bearing some fruit here. One of the big reasons cellular never made it into Apple laptops in the past was surely licensing issues with Qualcomm. It was just too much for just too few customers and wasn’t worth addressing. Now, perhaps the market is finally there.

    LTE on my iPad is one of my favorite things about it. It will surely be one of the favorite features for prospective Mac customers.

    Apple will most likely wait until they can integrate their own modems.
    They really don’t have to wait. They always had the option to put in an LTE modem in their laptops since about 2013. They have an LTE modem inside their wrist worn computer!

    So, it begs the question what’s changed. Why now? It’s not because of 5G. 
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  • Reply 24 of 31
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    tht said:
    tht said:
    Hmm, maybe the Apple and Qualcomm settlement is bearing some fruit here. One of the big reasons cellular never made it into Apple laptops in the past was surely licensing issues with Qualcomm. It was just too much for just too few customers and wasn’t worth addressing. Now, perhaps the market is finally there.

    LTE on my iPad is one of my favorite things about it. It will surely be one of the favorite features for prospective Mac customers.

    Apple will most likely wait until they can integrate their own modems.
    They really don’t have to wait. They always had the option to put in an LTE modem in their laptops since about 2013. They have an LTE modem inside their wrist worn computer!

    So, it begs the question what’s changed. Why now? It’s not because of 5G. 
    Why would you say/assume that when 5G has the potential to turn mobile communications upside down and inside out by ultimately replacing both cable and WiFi.
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  • Reply 25 of 31
    Solisoli Posts: 10,038member
    tht said:
    tht said:
    Hmm, maybe the Apple and Qualcomm settlement is bearing some fruit here. One of the big reasons cellular never made it into Apple laptops in the past was surely licensing issues with Qualcomm. It was just too much for just too few customers and wasn’t worth addressing. Now, perhaps the market is finally there.

    LTE on my iPad is one of my favorite things about it. It will surely be one of the favorite features for prospective Mac customers.

    Apple will most likely wait until they can integrate their own modems.
    They really don’t have to wait. They always had the option to put in an LTE modem in their laptops since about 2013. They have an LTE modem inside their wrist worn computer!

    So, it begs the question what’s changed. Why now? It’s not because of 5G. 
    Why would you say/assume that when 5G has the potential to turn mobile communications upside down and inside out by ultimately replacing both cable and WiFi.
    How exactly will it replace cable and WiFI?
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  • Reply 26 of 31
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    Soli said:
    tht said:
    tht said:
    Hmm, maybe the Apple and Qualcomm settlement is bearing some fruit here. One of the big reasons cellular never made it into Apple laptops in the past was surely licensing issues with Qualcomm. It was just too much for just too few customers and wasn’t worth addressing. Now, perhaps the market is finally there.

    LTE on my iPad is one of my favorite things about it. It will surely be one of the favorite features for prospective Mac customers.

    Apple will most likely wait until they can integrate their own modems.
    They really don’t have to wait. They always had the option to put in an LTE modem in their laptops since about 2013. They have an LTE modem inside their wrist worn computer!

    So, it begs the question what’s changed. Why now? It’s not because of 5G. 
    Why would you say/assume that when 5G has the potential to turn mobile communications upside down and inside out by ultimately replacing both cable and WiFi.
    How exactly will it replace cable and WiFI?
    Why would you need or want 3 forms of communications (cable, Wireless and WiFi) -- 2 of which are obsolete dinosaurs at the end of their useful life -- when one would serve the purpose of all three?   Much better, much smoother to only have to deal with one.

    And, getting back to your original point:   Why would you want to pay thousands for a mobile computer that isn't very mobile because its chained to a WiFi router?   That's only marginally better than using an ethernet cable -- just slower. 

    So, for the same reasons we have seen WiFi largely replace ethernet, cables, we should expect to see 5G replace both of them.
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  • Reply 27 of 31
    Solisoli Posts: 10,038member
    Soli said:
    tht said:
    tht said:
    Hmm, maybe the Apple and Qualcomm settlement is bearing some fruit here. One of the big reasons cellular never made it into Apple laptops in the past was surely licensing issues with Qualcomm. It was just too much for just too few customers and wasn’t worth addressing. Now, perhaps the market is finally there.

    LTE on my iPad is one of my favorite things about it. It will surely be one of the favorite features for prospective Mac customers.

    Apple will most likely wait until they can integrate their own modems.
    They really don’t have to wait. They always had the option to put in an LTE modem in their laptops since about 2013. They have an LTE modem inside their wrist worn computer!

    So, it begs the question what’s changed. Why now? It’s not because of 5G. 
    Why would you say/assume that when 5G has the potential to turn mobile communications upside down and inside out by ultimately replacing both cable and WiFi.
    How exactly will it replace cable and WiFI?
    Why would you need or want 3 forms of communications (cable, Wireless and WiFi) -- 2 of which are obsolete dinosaurs at the end of their useful life -- when one would serve the purpose of all three?   Much better, much smoother to only have to deal with one.

    And, getting back to your original point:   Why would you want to pay thousands for a mobile computer that isn't very mobile because its chained to a WiFi router?   That's only marginally better than using an ethernet cable -- just slower. 

    So, for the same reasons we have seen WiFi largely replace ethernet, cables, we should expect to see 5G replace both of them.
    But how does 5G solve. Poor penetration and low range, but even if it had none of those drawbacks I’m not sure I’d want to give up control of my private home network to Verizon.
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  • Reply 28 of 31
    Solisoli Posts: 10,038member
    Soli said:
    tht said:
    tht said:
    Hmm, maybe the Apple and Qualcomm settlement is bearing some fruit here. One of the big reasons cellular never made it into Apple laptops in the past was surely licensing issues with Qualcomm. It was just too much for just too few customers and wasn’t worth addressing. Now, perhaps the market is finally there.

    LTE on my iPad is one of my favorite things about it. It will surely be one of the favorite features for prospective Mac customers.

    Apple will most likely wait until they can integrate their own modems.
    They really don’t have to wait. They always had the option to put in an LTE modem in their laptops since about 2013. They have an LTE modem inside their wrist worn computer!

    So, it begs the question what’s changed. Why now? It’s not because of 5G. 
    Why would you say/assume that when 5G has the potential to turn mobile communications upside down and inside out by ultimately replacing both cable and WiFi.
    How exactly will it replace cable and WiFI?
    Why would you need or want 3 forms of communications (cable, Wireless and WiFi) -- 2 of which are obsolete dinosaurs at the end of their useful life -- when one would serve the purpose of all three?   Much better, much smoother to only have to deal with one.

    And, getting back to your original point:   Why would you want to pay thousands for a mobile computer that isn't very mobile because its chained to a WiFi router?   That's only marginally better than using an ethernet cable -- just slower. 

    So, for the same reasons we have seen WiFi largely replace ethernet, cables, we should expect to see 5G replace both of them.
    But how does 5G solve that? Poor penetration and low range, but even if it had none of those drawbacks I’m not sure I’d want to give up control of my private home network to Verizon.

    I also wouldn’t consider multiple Gibps over cable and fiber or WiFi6 as obsolete technologies.
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  • Reply 29 of 31
    thttht Posts: 6,018member
    tht said:
    tht said:
    Hmm, maybe the Apple and Qualcomm settlement is bearing some fruit here. One of the big reasons cellular never made it into Apple laptops in the past was surely licensing issues with Qualcomm. It was just too much for just too few customers and wasn’t worth addressing. Now, perhaps the market is finally there.

    LTE on my iPad is one of my favorite things about it. It will surely be one of the favorite features for prospective Mac customers.

    Apple will most likely wait until they can integrate their own modems.
    They really don’t have to wait. They always had the option to put in an LTE modem in their laptops since about 2013. They have an LTE modem inside their wrist worn computer!

    So, it begs the question what’s changed. Why now? It’s not because of 5G. 
    Why would you say/assume that when 5G has the potential to turn mobile communications upside down and inside out by ultimately replacing both cable and WiFi.
    Let me know when a 5G provider has >1 TB data plans (not the unlimited but throttled after 20 GB business). Otherwise, my future home Internet access is likely going to be going from cable to fiber.

    Snark aside, the situation isn’t materially different from LTE. LTE is good enough to replace broadband for 90% of customers out there. It actually has replaced a lot of landline subscriptions, along with phones eliminating a lot of consumer PC sales too. Apple still didn’t even offer the option of LTE on Macs. They do on on iPads and Watches. They are seeing usage and buying patterns that we aren’t.
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  • Reply 30 of 31
    By the way, 6GHz is not in the mmWave part of the spectrum. That starts around 24-30GHz and goes up to 100GHz, and is very short line-of-site.

    There is discussion as to what can be done with 6GHz; right now there is a lot of protected microwave backhaul on that band.
    edited August 2019
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  • Reply 31 of 31
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    Soli said:
    Soli said:
    tht said:
    tht said:
    Hmm, maybe the Apple and Qualcomm settlement is bearing some fruit here. One of the big reasons cellular never made it into Apple laptops in the past was surely licensing issues with Qualcomm. It was just too much for just too few customers and wasn’t worth addressing. Now, perhaps the market is finally there.

    LTE on my iPad is one of my favorite things about it. It will surely be one of the favorite features for prospective Mac customers.

    Apple will most likely wait until they can integrate their own modems.
    They really don’t have to wait. They always had the option to put in an LTE modem in their laptops since about 2013. They have an LTE modem inside their wrist worn computer!

    So, it begs the question what’s changed. Why now? It’s not because of 5G. 
    Why would you say/assume that when 5G has the potential to turn mobile communications upside down and inside out by ultimately replacing both cable and WiFi.
    How exactly will it replace cable and WiFI?
    Why would you need or want 3 forms of communications (cable, Wireless and WiFi) -- 2 of which are obsolete dinosaurs at the end of their useful life -- when one would serve the purpose of all three?   Much better, much smoother to only have to deal with one.

    And, getting back to your original point:   Why would you want to pay thousands for a mobile computer that isn't very mobile because its chained to a WiFi router?   That's only marginally better than using an ethernet cable -- just slower. 

    So, for the same reasons we have seen WiFi largely replace ethernet, cables, we should expect to see 5G replace both of them.
    But how does 5G solve that? Poor penetration and low range, but even if it had none of those drawbacks I’m not sure I’d want to give up control of my private home network to Verizon.

    I also wouldn’t consider multiple Gibps over cable and fiber or WiFi6 as obsolete technologies.
    WiFi has "poor penetration and low range" as well.   And cable / ethernet has neither penetration nor range. 

    I would envision 5G being supplied to the house just as cable is today and, eventually, from there you would use a router broadcasting a low power 5G signal instead of WiFi.

    While I think the first step (to the house) is in progress today, the second step, replacing ethernet and WiFi, will be years -- maybe decades in the making.  But the idea of loading a phone or any other device up with multiple, largely redundant radios (3g, 4G, 5G, WiFi, Bluetooth, NFC, etc...) is getting to the point of ridiculousness.   I think 5G has the potential to replace at least the cable and WiFi portions of that monster -- and I wouldn't mind seeing Bluetooth being pushed out of the equation as well.
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    edited August 2019
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