US FTC reportedly looking into Apple & Amazon sales deal

in General Discussion edited August 2019
A new report claims that the US Federal Trade Commission is in the early steps of examining the 2018 deal that led to a wide array of Apple products being officially sold on Amazon.

Apple's deal with Amazon, which applies to the United States, United Kingdom, France, Germany, India, Italy, Japan, and Spain, means the regional Amazon stores sell Apple's latest hardware, as well as Beats headphones. Products sold via Amazon's marketplace are only through Apple-authorized resellers.

The Verge believes that this deal is coming under antitrust scrutiny by the US FTC. It is not yet clear if a report my Mlex about subpoenas issued for third party sales data is related to the inquiry.

Reportedly, one ex-Amazon seller was contacted by the FTC and a cadre of lawyers.

"They wanted to know how Amazon works, how eBay works. I went into describing how a listing works on Amazon. Amazon is interesting in that you don't necessarily create a listing. You just sort of tag on to an existing listing," seller John Bumstead told The Verge. "If that listing gets deleted, chances are you're not allowed to sell that product. That's how Amazon did this. They created a bunch of renewed listings from the people who were certified, and they let those people sell on those listings, and they abandoned everyone else."

At present, there is no public record of any inquiries regarding this specific matter being made by the US FTC. AppleInsider has reached out to the FTC, Apple, and Amazon for comment.

The Amazon and Apple agreement fundamentally changed how Amazon offers Apple products. Prior to the deal, products were either not available or are only sold through the third-party marketplace. At the time, the process led to products being offered to Amazon customers at varying price points, and not necessarily in perfect condition.

Listings by third parties started coming down on January 4, 2019. Only firms that received authorization from Apple were allowed to continue selling -- which turned out to be only a scant few. It does not, however, affect Amazon's Renewed program, one which sells certified refurbished electronics through the store.

Terms of the Apple-Amazon agreement declare that resellers must either be authorized by Apple, or buy at least $2.5 million in refurbished inventory every 90 days for resale. The latter must come directly from Apple or through a third party with over $5 billion in annual sales, typically meaning carriers and national retailers.

A report in May found refurbishing companies increasingly squeezed off the platform. Vendors that previously sold on Amazon are turning to eBay, Etsy, and Wal-mart's platforms for resale in lower quantities than Amazon allows, or for older gear that no longer has an Amazon listing.


  • Reply 1 of 7
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,390member
    That arrangement raised eyebrows when it was first announced. I'm not at all surprised that the FTC might be interested in the details of it. 
  • Reply 2 of 7
    AppleExposedAppleExposed Posts: 1,805unconfirmed, member
    Damn can't sell your own sh** without getting punished.
  • Reply 3 of 7
    SpamSandwichSpamSandwich Posts: 33,407member
    More “much ado about nothing.”
  • Reply 4 of 7
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    Damn can't sell your own sh** without getting punished.
    No punishment yet.
  • Reply 5 of 7
    pujones1pujones1 Posts: 222member
    Damn can't sell your own sh** without getting punished.
    I was thinking the same lol. The government needs some money to pay for that wall (DOD funds aren’t enough) and the trade war. Lol.

    Apple’s got deep pockets. Let’s all put our hands in. 
  • Reply 6 of 7
    rossb2rossb2 Posts: 89member
    More “much ado about nothing.”
    Amazon shutting down all but the very largest Apple resellers is anti competitive, and drives up prices. We are fortunate Apple did not convince eBay to do the same. I have bought Apple hardware from eBay sellers multiple times with decent savings.

    While we may both love Apple products, I certainly do not support anti competitive moves by the company and would not make posts  suggesting  they are “much ado about nothing”
  • Reply 7 of 7
    badmonkbadmonk Posts: 1,320member
    So I don’t get this “tree level investigation” of the FTC, when you have a company that started as an online bookstore that has now grown to encompass so much more.  It pays little to no taxes, books little to no profit for its shareholders and has been progressively cannibalizing huge swaths of online and real world retailing.

    How can anyone compete successfully with them? And if you are a third party seller using their service, you are being perpetually screwed over.

    From where I stand, Amazon is the tech company that needs to chopped down to size (a cloud company, a company that makes its own products, a company for third party sellers ala eBay, a company that is an online store, a streaming service, etc).

    The time to act is now.  Or we all end up stuffing merchandise in cardboard boxes in some massive sweltering dispatch center like some Soviet era centralization plan.

    I for one don’t understand the attention on the other companies-like Alphabet, Microsoft, Apple and even the dreaded Facebook (which needs its own solution, like more regulation) when we have this out of control behemoth.
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