The indications from Huawei, from what they said about the delay, was that they were relieved that Samsung delayed theirs for technical reasons. That gave Huawei the excuse to delay theirs as well. Nodoubt, bothhaveseriousproblems. If Huawei is waiting until after Samsung releases theirs, then it appears that they still have some problems, don’tfeelconfident in the product and they want to see how much Samsung’s fixes worked. if it’s still not really working as well as it should (and reports say that it seems better, butnotgood) then that could give Huawei cover for their own, not quite ready for prime time, product.
a problem for Huawei’s product is that design decisions made to overcome the tight bend have resulted in a product that is eventhicker than Samsung’s, and with a totally unprotectable screen. Even if all other problems get solved, such as screen fold lifetime, that, in itself, is going to result in a device that will be easily damaged.
the problem of trying to be first when there are competitors knowing what you’re doing, and the approximate delivery date, means that products are usually inferior. When people wonder why Apple is so secretive about new designs, this is why. Samsung heard that Apple was interested in watches, from an interview Cook gave at a RECODE conference, and rushed one out, to be first. They then claimed that they sold more than 5 million, though it turned out they sold less than 800,000 of the poorly reviewed product. They would have been better off waiting.
I don't know where you got that from. Huawei executives have been very open on the reasons for the delays.
There is another folding phone coming from Huawei in early 2019. If we are going to speculate, it is far more likely that, given the delays to the original version and the now shorter gap between the two releases, that the hinge tweaks from the second iteration are being implemented in the original version.
Either way it is obviously a technical challenge to produce such a device but Richard Yu already made it clear months ago that the phone could 'ship tomorrow' if needed but that they were finalising the tuning to different 5G networks (which hadn't even gone live at that time) and taking the extra time to polish the software. EMUI 10 will probably ship in September and could be the default system to run on the Mate X (instead of EMUI 9.1).
Huawei wasn't 'trying to be first'. It had planned to show at MWC2019 with a summer release. According to Huawei, it looked like it was Samsung that tried to be first and rushed their product. Huawei was on its own roadmap but had other constraining factors to deal with such as 5G carrier availability which is entirely out of its hands.
"The other ones? I don’t know. It’s because they’re not ready for commercial [use]. Because they heard that we are launching, so they hurried to launch ahead of us. I heard that they got the information that we were launching foldable phones, and they wanted to do it earlier than us. But I think they are not ready.
But we are not ready. Currently, with 4G, we can sell it, and allow everyone to use it. But with 5G, we need more time to guarantee the 5G networks are in calibration. This is a 4G phone today, and everyone I deal with in the media, each one of you, is fortunate, you can use that. But this is 5G, so we need more testing to guarantee there are no issues."
It also had geopolitical issues to deal with which are also beyond its control. Being on your own roadmap in no way means products are usually inferior. They are simply first generation and will be improved upon in later generations. In this particular case there is a whole lot more to be considered that goes well beyond the typical release of the phone. All of it out of the hands of Huawei. To the point that they still aren't clear if Android will even be the system or not.
As for screen durability. It's clear that was one of the very first considerations and it is therefore patently evident that protecting it is going to be a major consideration to whoever buys one. This shouldn't be a surprise or a negative. If you aren't in a position to treat it adequately you definitely won't be getting one. This makes it a non-issue. Just like when you buy a glass fronted and backed device and know that if you drop it it could end up far worse than scratched.
It is also worth noting that the Mate X has been the daily driver for Huawei executives and various employees for some time now and without cases. The most recent sighting was precisely of Richard Yu at an airport.
Yes, the design makes it more susceptible to scratching but purchasers won't have an issue with that any more than purchasers of glass sandwiched phones have with the risk of shattered screens.
The real question on durability is only if the hinge, screen fold and resistance of the design is enough to get it through the normal lifespan of a phone but to evaluate that, it has to be released and monitored closely. We can be sure that this phone will be scrutinised exactly for that reason.
Where did you get the idea that the Mate X is even thicker than the Galaxy Fold?
Oh, it’s very funny watching you try so hard to come up with excuses for things that are obvious—but not to you.
I am definitely not making excuses for anything.
Can you please answer my last question?
The fold I’d thick at the hinge, but thinner at the edges. The Huawei is thicker overall. Either way, both are way too thick. People aren’t go8ng to want to keep them in their favorite spot—their pocket. The Huawei will get scratched to death anyway, as multiple writers have also noted.
The indications from Huawei, from what they said about the delay, was that they were relieved that Samsung delayed theirs for technical reasons. That gave Huawei the excuse to delay theirs as well. Nodoubt, bothhaveseriousproblems. If Huawei is waiting until after Samsung releases theirs, then it appears that they still have some problems, don’tfeelconfident in the product and they want to see how much Samsung’s fixes worked. if it’s still not really working as well as it should (and reports say that it seems better, butnotgood) then that could give Huawei cover for their own, not quite ready for prime time, product.
a problem for Huawei’s product is that design decisions made to overcome the tight bend have resulted in a product that is eventhicker than Samsung’s, and with a totally unprotectable screen. Even if all other problems get solved, such as screen fold lifetime, that, in itself, is going to result in a device that will be easily damaged.
the problem of trying to be first when there are competitors knowing what you’re doing, and the approximate delivery date, means that products are usually inferior. When people wonder why Apple is so secretive about new designs, this is why. Samsung heard that Apple was interested in watches, from an interview Cook gave at a RECODE conference, and rushed one out, to be first. They then claimed that they sold more than 5 million, though it turned out they sold less than 800,000 of the poorly reviewed product. They would have been better off waiting.
Either way it is obviously a technical challenge to produce such a device but Richard Yu already made it clear months ago that the phone could 'ship tomorrow' if needed but that they were finalising the tuning to different 5G networks (which hadn't even gone live at that time) and taking the extra time to polish the software. EMUI 10 will probably ship in September and could be the default system to run on the Mate X (instead of EMUI 9.1).
Oh, what happened to your other story where you claimed it was 100% ready (without explaining how you know, since you’re just a dude on a rumors site right?) and they were merely waiting for the right marketing timing? Now it’s 5G “tuning”. Riiight.
You didn't even bother to read the quote I put into this very thread, did you? Much less the article that the link points to!
The phone was ready. The networks weren't.
The quote I provided says:
"Currently with 4G, wecansellit, and alloweveryonetouseit. But with 5G, we need more time to guarantee the 5G networks are in calibration."
That's because the Mate X is a folding phone - but - it is also a 5G phone.
While they dealt with carriers and calibration, they took advantage to double down on other aspects (mainly software related). Then the geopolitical stuff blew up and as of today we still don't know for sure if it will ship with Android.
At every step if the way they have provided details on their moves. They have even confirmed plans for the second generation of the Mate X. The hope is that within two years prices will come down to premium levels but that can only happen after a few generations of ridiculously high priced iterations.
Nope, just moving the goal posts again. The other month when Samsung delayed, and then your knockoff followed, you said it was actually ready but that there was good marketing reasons to not release it right now. You didn’t say jack about 5G, instead you just pretended to know something you didn’t.
Now you’ve changed your tune, to this network tuning crap. Either you were wrong then, or wrong now. It’s pretty clear you are full of horse puckey and will claim whatever you like in order to continue cheerleading for your crummy chinese knockoff brand.
The indications from Huawei, from what they said about the delay, was that they were relieved that Samsung delayed theirs for technical reasons. That gave Huawei the excuse to delay theirs as well. Nodoubt, bothhaveseriousproblems. If Huawei is waiting until after Samsung releases theirs, then it appears that they still have some problems, don’tfeelconfident in the product and they want to see how much Samsung’s fixes worked. if it’s still not really working as well as it should (and reports say that it seems better, butnotgood) then that could give Huawei cover for their own, not quite ready for prime time, product.
a problem for Huawei’s product is that design decisions made to overcome the tight bend have resulted in a product that is eventhicker than Samsung’s, and with a totally unprotectable screen. Even if all other problems get solved, such as screen fold lifetime, that, in itself, is going to result in a device that will be easily damaged.
the problem of trying to be first when there are competitors knowing what you’re doing, and the approximate delivery date, means that products are usually inferior. When people wonder why Apple is so secretive about new designs, this is why. Samsung heard that Apple was interested in watches, from an interview Cook gave at a RECODE conference, and rushed one out, to be first. They then claimed that they sold more than 5 million, though it turned out they sold less than 800,000 of the poorly reviewed product. They would have been better off waiting.
I don't know where you got that from. Huawei executives have been very open on the reasons for the delays.
There is another folding phone coming from Huawei in early 2019. If we are going to speculate, it is far more likely that, given the delays to the original version and the now shorter gap between the two releases, that the hinge tweaks from the second iteration are being implemented in the original version.
Either way it is obviously a technical challenge to produce such a device but Richard Yu already made it clear months ago that the phone could 'ship tomorrow' if needed but that they were finalising the tuning to different 5G networks (which hadn't even gone live at that time) and taking the extra time to polish the software. EMUI 10 will probably ship in September and could be the default system to run on the Mate X (instead of EMUI 9.1).
Huawei wasn't 'trying to be first'. It had planned to show at MWC2019 with a summer release. According to Huawei, it looked like it was Samsung that tried to be first and rushed their product. Huawei was on its own roadmap but had other constraining factors to deal with such as 5G carrier availability which is entirely out of its hands.
"The other ones? I don’t know. It’s because they’re not ready for commercial [use]. Because they heard that we are launching, so they hurried to launch ahead of us. I heard that they got the information that we were launching foldable phones, and they wanted to do it earlier than us. But I think they are not ready.
But we are not ready. Currently, with 4G, we can sell it, and allow everyone to use it. But with 5G, we need more time to guarantee the 5G networks are in calibration. This is a 4G phone today, and everyone I deal with in the media, each one of you, is fortunate, you can use that. But this is 5G, so we need more testing to guarantee there are no issues."
It also had geopolitical issues to deal with which are also beyond its control. Being on your own roadmap in no way means products are usually inferior. They are simply first generation and will be improved upon in later generations. In this particular case there is a whole lot more to be considered that goes well beyond the typical release of the phone. All of it out of the hands of Huawei. To the point that they still aren't clear if Android will even be the system or not.
As for screen durability. It's clear that was one of the very first considerations and it is therefore patently evident that protecting it is going to be a major consideration to whoever buys one. This shouldn't be a surprise or a negative. If you aren't in a position to treat it adequately you definitely won't be getting one. This makes it a non-issue. Just like when you buy a glass fronted and backed device and know that if you drop it it could end up far worse than scratched.
It is also worth noting that the Mate X has been the daily driver for Huawei executives and various employees for some time now and without cases. The most recent sighting was precisely of Richard Yu at an airport.
Yes, the design makes it more susceptible to scratching but purchasers won't have an issue with that any more than purchasers of glass sandwiched phones have with the risk of shattered screens.
The real question on durability is only if the hinge, screen fold and resistance of the design is enough to get it through the normal lifespan of a phone but to evaluate that, it has to be released and monitored closely. We can be sure that this phone will be scrutinised exactly for that reason.
Where did you get the idea that the Mate X is even thicker than the Galaxy Fold?
Oh, it’s very funny watching you try so hard to come up with excuses for things that are obvious—but not to you.
I am definitely not making excuses for anything.
Can you please answer my last question?
The fold I’d thick at the hinge, but thinner at the edges. The Huawei is thicker overall. Either way, both are way too thick. People aren’t go8ng to want to keep them in their favorite spot—their pocket. The Huawei will get scratched to death anyway, as multiple writers have also noted.
There is a huge difference between the two. Where did you pick up your numbers from?
At 11mm it is by no means thick. Not in the slightest. My Honor 10 + case is exactly 11mm 'thick' and is actually thin!
My wife's iPhone XR + case is also 11mm thick and of course feels equally 'thin'. I have big hands. She has small hands.
Not a single mention of thickness from her and iPhones have got progressively thicker over the years.
Many people will opt for a slip on case for the Mate X (just as many opt for slip on cases for regular phones). 11mm is definitely not going to be an issue when folded and when unfolded it will be so thin that the 11mm 'grip' will actually serve as a stabilizer (like on an SLR). This has been commented on by everyone who has actually held one.
"Huawei's Mate X -- that's pronounced "ex," not "ten" -- has three ways to use on 8-inch screen, four cameras (three you can see, one that's temporarily hidden) and an interesting design that gives you a grippable base for one-handed use."
The indications from Huawei, from what they said about the delay, was that they were relieved that Samsung delayed theirs for technical reasons. That gave Huawei the excuse to delay theirs as well. Nodoubt, bothhaveseriousproblems. If Huawei is waiting until after Samsung releases theirs, then it appears that they still have some problems, don’tfeelconfident in the product and they want to see how much Samsung’s fixes worked. if it’s still not really working as well as it should (and reports say that it seems better, butnotgood) then that could give Huawei cover for their own, not quite ready for prime time, product.
a problem for Huawei’s product is that design decisions made to overcome the tight bend have resulted in a product that is eventhicker than Samsung’s, and with a totally unprotectable screen. Even if all other problems get solved, such as screen fold lifetime, that, in itself, is going to result in a device that will be easily damaged.
the problem of trying to be first when there are competitors knowing what you’re doing, and the approximate delivery date, means that products are usually inferior. When people wonder why Apple is so secretive about new designs, this is why. Samsung heard that Apple was interested in watches, from an interview Cook gave at a RECODE conference, and rushed one out, to be first. They then claimed that they sold more than 5 million, though it turned out they sold less than 800,000 of the poorly reviewed product. They would have been better off waiting.
I don't know where you got that from. Huawei executives have been very open on the reasons for the delays.
There is another folding phone coming from Huawei in early 2019. If we are going to speculate, it is far more likely that, given the delays to the original version and the now shorter gap between the two releases, that the hinge tweaks from the second iteration are being implemented in the original version.
Either way it is obviously a technical challenge to produce such a device but Richard Yu already made it clear months ago that the phone could 'ship tomorrow' if needed but that they were finalising the tuning to different 5G networks (which hadn't even gone live at that time) and taking the extra time to polish the software. EMUI 10 will probably ship in September and could be the default system to run on the Mate X (instead of EMUI 9.1).
Huawei wasn't 'trying to be first'. It had planned to show at MWC2019 with a summer release. According to Huawei, it looked like it was Samsung that tried to be first and rushed their product. Huawei was on its own roadmap but had other constraining factors to deal with such as 5G carrier availability which is entirely out of its hands.
"The other ones? I don’t know. It’s because they’re not ready for commercial [use]. Because they heard that we are launching, so they hurried to launch ahead of us. I heard that they got the information that we were launching foldable phones, and they wanted to do it earlier than us. But I think they are not ready.
But we are not ready. Currently, with 4G, we can sell it, and allow everyone to use it. But with 5G, we need more time to guarantee the 5G networks are in calibration. This is a 4G phone today, and everyone I deal with in the media, each one of you, is fortunate, you can use that. But this is 5G, so we need more testing to guarantee there are no issues."
It also had geopolitical issues to deal with which are also beyond its control. Being on your own roadmap in no way means products are usually inferior. They are simply first generation and will be improved upon in later generations. In this particular case there is a whole lot more to be considered that goes well beyond the typical release of the phone. All of it out of the hands of Huawei. To the point that they still aren't clear if Android will even be the system or not.
As for screen durability. It's clear that was one of the very first considerations and it is therefore patently evident that protecting it is going to be a major consideration to whoever buys one. This shouldn't be a surprise or a negative. If you aren't in a position to treat it adequately you definitely won't be getting one. This makes it a non-issue. Just like when you buy a glass fronted and backed device and know that if you drop it it could end up far worse than scratched.
It is also worth noting that the Mate X has been the daily driver for Huawei executives and various employees for some time now and without cases. The most recent sighting was precisely of Richard Yu at an airport.
Yes, the design makes it more susceptible to scratching but purchasers won't have an issue with that any more than purchasers of glass sandwiched phones have with the risk of shattered screens.
The real question on durability is only if the hinge, screen fold and resistance of the design is enough to get it through the normal lifespan of a phone but to evaluate that, it has to be released and monitored closely. We can be sure that this phone will be scrutinised exactly for that reason.
Where did you get the idea that the Mate X is even thicker than the Galaxy Fold?
Oh, it’s very funny watching you try so hard to come up with excuses for things that are obvious—but not to you.
I am definitely not making excuses for anything.
Can you please answer my last question?
The fold I’d thick at the hinge, but thinner at the edges. The Huawei is thicker overall. Either way, both are way too thick. People aren’t go8ng to want to keep them in their favorite spot—their pocket. The Huawei will get scratched to death anyway, as multiple writers have also noted.
There is a huge difference between the two. Where did you pick up your numbers from?
At 11mm it is by no means thick. Not in the slightest. My Honor 10 + case is exactly 11mm 'thick' and is actually thin!
My wife's iPhone XR + case is also 11mm thick and of course feels equally 'thin'. I have big hands. She has small hands.
Not a single mention of thickness from her and iPhones have got progressively thicker over the years.
Many people will opt for a slip on case for the Mate X (just as many opt for slip on cases for regular phones). 11mm is definitely not going to be an issue when folded and when unfolded it will be so thin that the 11mm 'grip' will actually serve as a stabilizer (like on an SLR). This has been commented on by everyone who has actually held one.
"Huawei's Mate X -- that's pronounced "ex," not "ten" -- has three ways to use on 8-inch screen, four cameras (three you can see, one that's temporarily hidden) and an interesting design that gives you a grippable base for one-handed use."
The average is thicker. It’s amazing that of all the problems both phones have, that you would make such a big deal about that onecrh9ng. At any rate, users on tour Uber hat were able to hold both were saying that the Huawei felt thicker. Impressions are the more important metric.
The indications from Huawei, from what they said about the delay, was that they were relieved that Samsung delayed theirs for technical reasons. That gave Huawei the excuse to delay theirs as well. Nodoubt, bothhaveseriousproblems. If Huawei is waiting until after Samsung releases theirs, then it appears that they still have some problems, don’tfeelconfident in the product and they want to see how much Samsung’s fixes worked. if it’s still not really working as well as it should (and reports say that it seems better, butnotgood) then that could give Huawei cover for their own, not quite ready for prime time, product.
a problem for Huawei’s product is that design decisions made to overcome the tight bend have resulted in a product that is eventhicker than Samsung’s, and with a totally unprotectable screen. Even if all other problems get solved, such as screen fold lifetime, that, in itself, is going to result in a device that will be easily damaged.
the problem of trying to be first when there are competitors knowing what you’re doing, and the approximate delivery date, means that products are usually inferior. When people wonder why Apple is so secretive about new designs, this is why. Samsung heard that Apple was interested in watches, from an interview Cook gave at a RECODE conference, and rushed one out, to be first. They then claimed that they sold more than 5 million, though it turned out they sold less than 800,000 of the poorly reviewed product. They would have been better off waiting.
I don't know where you got that from. Huawei executives have been very open on the reasons for the delays.
There is another folding phone coming from Huawei in early 2019. If we are going to speculate, it is far more likely that, given the delays to the original version and the now shorter gap between the two releases, that the hinge tweaks from the second iteration are being implemented in the original version.
Either way it is obviously a technical challenge to produce such a device but Richard Yu already made it clear months ago that the phone could 'ship tomorrow' if needed but that they were finalising the tuning to different 5G networks (which hadn't even gone live at that time) and taking the extra time to polish the software. EMUI 10 will probably ship in September and could be the default system to run on the Mate X (instead of EMUI 9.1).
Huawei wasn't 'trying to be first'. It had planned to show at MWC2019 with a summer release. According to Huawei, it looked like it was Samsung that tried to be first and rushed their product. Huawei was on its own roadmap but had other constraining factors to deal with such as 5G carrier availability which is entirely out of its hands.
"The other ones? I don’t know. It’s because they’re not ready for commercial [use]. Because they heard that we are launching, so they hurried to launch ahead of us. I heard that they got the information that we were launching foldable phones, and they wanted to do it earlier than us. But I think they are not ready.
But we are not ready. Currently, with 4G, we can sell it, and allow everyone to use it. But with 5G, we need more time to guarantee the 5G networks are in calibration. This is a 4G phone today, and everyone I deal with in the media, each one of you, is fortunate, you can use that. But this is 5G, so we need more testing to guarantee there are no issues."
It also had geopolitical issues to deal with which are also beyond its control. Being on your own roadmap in no way means products are usually inferior. They are simply first generation and will be improved upon in later generations. In this particular case there is a whole lot more to be considered that goes well beyond the typical release of the phone. All of it out of the hands of Huawei. To the point that they still aren't clear if Android will even be the system or not.
As for screen durability. It's clear that was one of the very first considerations and it is therefore patently evident that protecting it is going to be a major consideration to whoever buys one. This shouldn't be a surprise or a negative. If you aren't in a position to treat it adequately you definitely won't be getting one. This makes it a non-issue. Just like when you buy a glass fronted and backed device and know that if you drop it it could end up far worse than scratched.
It is also worth noting that the Mate X has been the daily driver for Huawei executives and various employees for some time now and without cases. The most recent sighting was precisely of Richard Yu at an airport.
Yes, the design makes it more susceptible to scratching but purchasers won't have an issue with that any more than purchasers of glass sandwiched phones have with the risk of shattered screens.
The real question on durability is only if the hinge, screen fold and resistance of the design is enough to get it through the normal lifespan of a phone but to evaluate that, it has to be released and monitored closely. We can be sure that this phone will be scrutinised exactly for that reason.
Where did you get the idea that the Mate X is even thicker than the Galaxy Fold?
Oh, it’s very funny watching you try so hard to come up with excuses for things that are obvious—but not to you.
I am definitely not making excuses for anything.
Can you please answer my last question?
The fold I’d thick at the hinge, but thinner at the edges. The Huawei is thicker overall. Either way, both are way too thick. People aren’t go8ng to want to keep them in their favorite spot—their pocket. The Huawei will get scratched to death anyway, as multiple writers have also noted.
There is a huge difference between the two. Where did you pick up your numbers from?
At 11mm it is by no means thick. Not in the slightest. My Honor 10 + case is exactly 11mm 'thick' and is actually thin!
My wife's iPhone XR + case is also 11mm thick and of course feels equally 'thin'. I have big hands. She has small hands.
Not a single mention of thickness from her and iPhones have got progressively thicker over the years.
Many people will opt for a slip on case for the Mate X (just as many opt for slip on cases for regular phones). 11mm is definitely not going to be an issue when folded and when unfolded it will be so thin that the 11mm 'grip' will actually serve as a stabilizer (like on an SLR). This has been commented on by everyone who has actually held one.
"Huawei's Mate X -- that's pronounced "ex," not "ten" -- has three ways to use on 8-inch screen, four cameras (three you can see, one that's temporarily hidden) and an interesting design that gives you a grippable base for one-handed use."
The average is thicker. It’s amazing that of all the problems both phones have, that you would make such a big deal about that onecrh9ng. At any rate, users on tour Uber hat were able to hold both were saying that the Huawei felt thicker. Impressions are the more important metric.
Impressions are very personal things and nobody, and I mean nobody is going to look at averages when it comes to thickness of a phone. That doesn't make any sense at all. Neither does your 'it's amazing that of all the problems both phones have that you would make such a big deal about that one thing'.
No. What is amazing is that you even tried to slip in the 'even thicker' comment when it clearly isn't.
As for 'all' the problems of the Mate X you will have to enlighten me because I haven't heard of ONE single problem relating to the phone itself.
That is why I bolded much of your original comment as the 'disaster' tone you used had nothing to do with any known reality.
Absolutes are the order of the day (not averages) and those absolutes translate into the feel in your hand. That is where impressions come from and I have yet to see any impression that says it feels thicker than a Fold.
I would like to see a link if you have one. I don't know what 'tour Uber' is.
Here is another extended hands on. Thickness (as a negative) isn't even mentioned when it comes to how it feels. Logical when I gave you measurements of two different phones in cases that are also 11mm and are still considered 'thin'. So thin that it isn't even a consideration at 11mm.
The indications from Huawei, from what they said about the delay, was that they were relieved that Samsung delayed theirs for technical reasons. That gave Huawei the excuse to delay theirs as well. Nodoubt, bothhaveseriousproblems. If Huawei is waiting until after Samsung releases theirs, then it appears that they still have some problems, don’tfeelconfident in the product and they want to see how much Samsung’s fixes worked. if it’s still not really working as well as it should (and reports say that it seems better, butnotgood) then that could give Huawei cover for their own, not quite ready for prime time, product.
a problem for Huawei’s product is that design decisions made to overcome the tight bend have resulted in a product that is eventhicker than Samsung’s, and with a totally unprotectable screen. Even if all other problems get solved, such as screen fold lifetime, that, in itself, is going to result in a device that will be easily damaged.
the problem of trying to be first when there are competitors knowing what you’re doing, and the approximate delivery date, means that products are usually inferior. When people wonder why Apple is so secretive about new designs, this is why. Samsung heard that Apple was interested in watches, from an interview Cook gave at a RECODE conference, and rushed one out, to be first. They then claimed that they sold more than 5 million, though it turned out they sold less than 800,000 of the poorly reviewed product. They would have been better off waiting.
I don't know where you got that from. Huawei executives have been very open on the reasons for the delays.
There is another folding phone coming from Huawei in early 2019. If we are going to speculate, it is far more likely that, given the delays to the original version and the now shorter gap between the two releases, that the hinge tweaks from the second iteration are being implemented in the original version.
Either way it is obviously a technical challenge to produce such a device but Richard Yu already made it clear months ago that the phone could 'ship tomorrow' if needed but that they were finalising the tuning to different 5G networks (which hadn't even gone live at that time) and taking the extra time to polish the software. EMUI 10 will probably ship in September and could be the default system to run on the Mate X (instead of EMUI 9.1).
Huawei wasn't 'trying to be first'. It had planned to show at MWC2019 with a summer release. According to Huawei, it looked like it was Samsung that tried to be first and rushed their product. Huawei was on its own roadmap but had other constraining factors to deal with such as 5G carrier availability which is entirely out of its hands.
"The other ones? I don’t know. It’s because they’re not ready for commercial [use]. Because they heard that we are launching, so they hurried to launch ahead of us. I heard that they got the information that we were launching foldable phones, and they wanted to do it earlier than us. But I think they are not ready.
But we are not ready. Currently, with 4G, we can sell it, and allow everyone to use it. But with 5G, we need more time to guarantee the 5G networks are in calibration. This is a 4G phone today, and everyone I deal with in the media, each one of you, is fortunate, you can use that. But this is 5G, so we need more testing to guarantee there are no issues."
It also had geopolitical issues to deal with which are also beyond its control. Being on your own roadmap in no way means products are usually inferior. They are simply first generation and will be improved upon in later generations. In this particular case there is a whole lot more to be considered that goes well beyond the typical release of the phone. All of it out of the hands of Huawei. To the point that they still aren't clear if Android will even be the system or not.
As for screen durability. It's clear that was one of the very first considerations and it is therefore patently evident that protecting it is going to be a major consideration to whoever buys one. This shouldn't be a surprise or a negative. If you aren't in a position to treat it adequately you definitely won't be getting one. This makes it a non-issue. Just like when you buy a glass fronted and backed device and know that if you drop it it could end up far worse than scratched.
It is also worth noting that the Mate X has been the daily driver for Huawei executives and various employees for some time now and without cases. The most recent sighting was precisely of Richard Yu at an airport.
Yes, the design makes it more susceptible to scratching but purchasers won't have an issue with that any more than purchasers of glass sandwiched phones have with the risk of shattered screens.
The real question on durability is only if the hinge, screen fold and resistance of the design is enough to get it through the normal lifespan of a phone but to evaluate that, it has to be released and monitored closely. We can be sure that this phone will be scrutinised exactly for that reason.
Where did you get the idea that the Mate X is even thicker than the Galaxy Fold?
Oh, it’s very funny watching you try so hard to come up with excuses for things that are obvious—but not to you.
I am definitely not making excuses for anything.
Can you please answer my last question?
The fold I’d thick at the hinge, but thinner at the edges. The Huawei is thicker overall. Either way, both are way too thick. People aren’t go8ng to want to keep them in their favorite spot—their pocket. The Huawei will get scratched to death anyway, as multiple writers have also noted.
There is a huge difference between the two. Where did you pick up your numbers from?
At 11mm it is by no means thick. Not in the slightest. My Honor 10 + case is exactly 11mm 'thick' and is actually thin!
My wife's iPhone XR + case is also 11mm thick and of course feels equally 'thin'. I have big hands. She has small hands.
Not a single mention of thickness from her and iPhones have got progressively thicker over the years.
Many people will opt for a slip on case for the Mate X (just as many opt for slip on cases for regular phones). 11mm is definitely not going to be an issue when folded and when unfolded it will be so thin that the 11mm 'grip' will actually serve as a stabilizer (like on an SLR). This has been commented on by everyone who has actually held one.
"Huawei's Mate X -- that's pronounced "ex," not "ten" -- has three ways to use on 8-inch screen, four cameras (three you can see, one that's temporarily hidden) and an interesting design that gives you a grippable base for one-handed use."
The average is thicker. It’s amazing that of all the problems both phones have, that you would make such a big deal about that onecrh9ng. At any rate, users on tour Uber hat were able to hold both were saying that the Huawei felt thicker. Impressions are the more important metric.
Impressions are very personal things and nobody, and I mean nobody is going to look at averages when it comes to thickness of a phone. That doesn't make any sense at all. Neither does your 'it's amazing that of all the problems both phones have that you would make such a big deal about that one thing'.
No. What is amazing is that you even tried to slip in the 'even thicker' comment when it clearly isn't.
As for 'all' the problems of the Mate X you will have to enlighten me because I haven't heard of ONE single problem relating to the phone itself.
That is why I bolded much of your original comment as the 'disaster' tone you used had nothing to do with any known reality.
Absolutes are the order of the day (not averages) and those absolutes translate into the feel in your hand. That is where impressions come from and I have yet to see any impression that says it feels thicker than a Fold.
I would like to see a link if you have one. I don't know what 'tour Uber' is.
Here is another extended hands on. Thickness (as a negative) isn't even mentioned when it comes to how it feels. Logical when I gave you measurements of two different phones in cases that are also 11mm and are still considered 'thin'. So thin that it isn't even a consideration at 11mm.
They even use the term 'ultra slim' for the open phone.
And for a video hands on I am simply not seeing the thickness either. Remember, folded, it is the same thickness as the setup I am posting this from:
Oh please, your “nobody” is actually almost everybody. And of course it’s slim when open. When open, it’s about the thickness of an average phone. When closed, it’s a lot thicker.
The indications from Huawei, from what they said about the delay, was that they were relieved that Samsung delayed theirs for technical reasons. That gave Huawei the excuse to delay theirs as well. Nodoubt, bothhaveseriousproblems. If Huawei is waiting until after Samsung releases theirs, then it appears that they still have some problems, don’tfeelconfident in the product and they want to see how much Samsung’s fixes worked. if it’s still not really working as well as it should (and reports say that it seems better, butnotgood) then that could give Huawei cover for their own, not quite ready for prime time, product.
a problem for Huawei’s product is that design decisions made to overcome the tight bend have resulted in a product that is eventhicker than Samsung’s, and with a totally unprotectable screen. Even if all other problems get solved, such as screen fold lifetime, that, in itself, is going to result in a device that will be easily damaged.
the problem of trying to be first when there are competitors knowing what you’re doing, and the approximate delivery date, means that products are usually inferior. When people wonder why Apple is so secretive about new designs, this is why. Samsung heard that Apple was interested in watches, from an interview Cook gave at a RECODE conference, and rushed one out, to be first. They then claimed that they sold more than 5 million, though it turned out they sold less than 800,000 of the poorly reviewed product. They would have been better off waiting.
I don't know where you got that from. Huawei executives have been very open on the reasons for the delays.
There is another folding phone coming from Huawei in early 2019. If we are going to speculate, it is far more likely that, given the delays to the original version and the now shorter gap between the two releases, that the hinge tweaks from the second iteration are being implemented in the original version.
Either way it is obviously a technical challenge to produce such a device but Richard Yu already made it clear months ago that the phone could 'ship tomorrow' if needed but that they were finalising the tuning to different 5G networks (which hadn't even gone live at that time) and taking the extra time to polish the software. EMUI 10 will probably ship in September and could be the default system to run on the Mate X (instead of EMUI 9.1).
Huawei wasn't 'trying to be first'. It had planned to show at MWC2019 with a summer release. According to Huawei, it looked like it was Samsung that tried to be first and rushed their product. Huawei was on its own roadmap but had other constraining factors to deal with such as 5G carrier availability which is entirely out of its hands.
"The other ones? I don’t know. It’s because they’re not ready for commercial [use]. Because they heard that we are launching, so they hurried to launch ahead of us. I heard that they got the information that we were launching foldable phones, and they wanted to do it earlier than us. But I think they are not ready.
But we are not ready. Currently, with 4G, we can sell it, and allow everyone to use it. But with 5G, we need more time to guarantee the 5G networks are in calibration. This is a 4G phone today, and everyone I deal with in the media, each one of you, is fortunate, you can use that. But this is 5G, so we need more testing to guarantee there are no issues."
It also had geopolitical issues to deal with which are also beyond its control. Being on your own roadmap in no way means products are usually inferior. They are simply first generation and will be improved upon in later generations. In this particular case there is a whole lot more to be considered that goes well beyond the typical release of the phone. All of it out of the hands of Huawei. To the point that they still aren't clear if Android will even be the system or not.
As for screen durability. It's clear that was one of the very first considerations and it is therefore patently evident that protecting it is going to be a major consideration to whoever buys one. This shouldn't be a surprise or a negative. If you aren't in a position to treat it adequately you definitely won't be getting one. This makes it a non-issue. Just like when you buy a glass fronted and backed device and know that if you drop it it could end up far worse than scratched.
It is also worth noting that the Mate X has been the daily driver for Huawei executives and various employees for some time now and without cases. The most recent sighting was precisely of Richard Yu at an airport.
Yes, the design makes it more susceptible to scratching but purchasers won't have an issue with that any more than purchasers of glass sandwiched phones have with the risk of shattered screens.
The real question on durability is only if the hinge, screen fold and resistance of the design is enough to get it through the normal lifespan of a phone but to evaluate that, it has to be released and monitored closely. We can be sure that this phone will be scrutinised exactly for that reason.
Where did you get the idea that the Mate X is even thicker than the Galaxy Fold?
Oh, it’s very funny watching you try so hard to come up with excuses for things that are obvious—but not to you.
I am definitely not making excuses for anything.
Can you please answer my last question?
The fold I’d thick at the hinge, but thinner at the edges. The Huawei is thicker overall. Either way, both are way too thick. People aren’t go8ng to want to keep them in their favorite spot—their pocket. The Huawei will get scratched to death anyway, as multiple writers have also noted.
There is a huge difference between the two. Where did you pick up your numbers from?
At 11mm it is by no means thick. Not in the slightest. My Honor 10 + case is exactly 11mm 'thick' and is actually thin!
My wife's iPhone XR + case is also 11mm thick and of course feels equally 'thin'. I have big hands. She has small hands.
Not a single mention of thickness from her and iPhones have got progressively thicker over the years.
Many people will opt for a slip on case for the Mate X (just as many opt for slip on cases for regular phones). 11mm is definitely not going to be an issue when folded and when unfolded it will be so thin that the 11mm 'grip' will actually serve as a stabilizer (like on an SLR). This has been commented on by everyone who has actually held one.
"Huawei's Mate X -- that's pronounced "ex," not "ten" -- has three ways to use on 8-inch screen, four cameras (three you can see, one that's temporarily hidden) and an interesting design that gives you a grippable base for one-handed use."
The average is thicker. It’s amazing that of all the problems both phones have, that you would make such a big deal about that onecrh9ng. At any rate, users on tour Uber hat were able to hold both were saying that the Huawei felt thicker. Impressions are the more important metric.
Impressions are very personal things and nobody, and I mean nobody is going to look at averages when it comes to thickness of a phone. That doesn't make any sense at all. Neither does your 'it's amazing that of all the problems both phones have that you would make such a big deal about that one thing'.
No. What is amazing is that you even tried to slip in the 'even thicker' comment when it clearly isn't.
As for 'all' the problems of the Mate X you will have to enlighten me because I haven't heard of ONE single problem relating to the phone itself.
That is why I bolded much of your original comment as the 'disaster' tone you used had nothing to do with any known reality.
Absolutes are the order of the day (not averages) and those absolutes translate into the feel in your hand. That is where impressions come from and I have yet to see any impression that says it feels thicker than a Fold.
I would like to see a link if you have one. I don't know what 'tour Uber' is.
Here is another extended hands on. Thickness (as a negative) isn't even mentioned when it comes to how it feels. Logical when I gave you measurements of two different phones in cases that are also 11mm and are still considered 'thin'. So thin that it isn't even a consideration at 11mm.
They even use the term 'ultra slim' for the open phone.
And for a video hands on I am simply not seeing the thickness either. Remember, folded, it is the same thickness as the setup I am posting this from:
Oh please, your “nobody” is actually almost everybody. And of course it’s slim when open. When open, it’s about the thickness of an average phone. When closed, it’s a lot thicker.
You are making more unfounded claims.
When unfolded it isn't 'about the thickness of an average phone'. It is actually quite a bit thinner than your average phone. I mentioned this further up and explained how one media outlet called it 'ultra slim'. There is a thin (no pun intended) bar that houses everything except the screen and the battery which is 11mm deep (also explained above). Trying to 'average' these measurements out just doesn't make any sense.
You have provided not one single link to support anything you have said so I will put it down to your personal impression of the device based on your own personal speculation.
I have countered with alternative speculation based on actual events (hands ons included) such as official executive commentary and provided you with all the supporting links.
Now, and perhaps adding more fuel to support my speculation on the November delay, we actually have a new claim that has supposedly been confirmed by Huawei.
I mentioned further up that a second gen folding phone was due from the company early next year and that with the delay to the original being pushed back so far, it was possible that the rumoured hinge tweaks had come from that future model.
Now it is being claimed that the entire SoC and camera array have been upgraded for the Mate X. If true, it means the device will have the P30 Pro sensors (as opposed to the Mate 20 Pro sensors) and the unannounced Kirin 990 (as opposed to the Kirin 980).
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Now you’ve changed your tune, to this network tuning crap. Either you were wrong then, or wrong now. It’s pretty clear you are full of horse puckey and will claim whatever you like in order to continue cheerleading for your crummy chinese knockoff brand.
Thickest Point: 17mm
Thinnest Point: 6.9mm
https://www.afr.com/technology/its-official-samsungs-galaxy-fold-foldable-phone-will-be-here-in-months-20190220-h1bh6h
For the Mate X:
Thickest Point: 11mm
Thinnest Point: 5.4mm
https://www.gizmochina.com/2019/02/25/samsung-galaxy-fold-vs-huawei-mate-x-specs-comparison/
There is a huge difference between the two. Where did you pick up your numbers from?
At 11mm it is by no means thick. Not in the slightest. My Honor 10 + case is exactly 11mm 'thick' and is actually thin!
My wife's iPhone XR + case is also 11mm thick and of course feels equally 'thin'. I have big hands. She has small hands.
Not a single mention of thickness from her and iPhones have got progressively thicker over the years.
Many people will opt for a slip on case for the Mate X (just as many opt for slip on cases for regular phones). 11mm is definitely not going to be an issue when folded and when unfolded it will be so thin that the 11mm 'grip' will actually serve as a stabilizer (like on an SLR). This has been commented on by everyone who has actually held one.
"Huawei's Mate X -- that's pronounced "ex," not "ten" -- has three ways to use on 8-inch screen, four cameras (three you can see, one that's temporarily hidden) and an interesting design that gives you a grippable base for one-handed use."
https://www.cnet.com/news/using-the-mate-x-made-me-a-foldable-phone-believer/
No. What is amazing is that you even tried to slip in the 'even thicker' comment when it clearly isn't.
As for 'all' the problems of the Mate X you will have to enlighten me because I haven't heard of ONE single problem relating to the phone itself.
That is why I bolded much of your original comment as the 'disaster' tone you used had nothing to do with any known reality.
Absolutes are the order of the day (not averages) and those absolutes translate into the feel in your hand. That is where impressions come from and I have yet to see any impression that says it feels thicker than a Fold.
I would like to see a link if you have one. I don't know what 'tour Uber' is.
Here is another extended hands on. Thickness (as a negative) isn't even mentioned when it comes to how it feels. Logical when I gave you measurements of two different phones in cases that are also 11mm and are still considered 'thin'. So thin that it isn't even a consideration at 11mm.
https://www.techradar.com/reviews/huawei-mate-x
They even use the term 'ultra slim' for the open phone.
And for a video hands on I am simply not seeing the thickness either. Remember, folded, it is the same thickness as the setup I am posting this from:
When unfolded it isn't 'about the thickness of an average phone'. It is actually quite a bit thinner than your average phone. I mentioned this further up and explained how one media outlet called it 'ultra slim'. There is a thin (no pun intended) bar that houses everything except the screen and the battery which is 11mm deep (also explained above). Trying to 'average' these measurements out just doesn't make any sense.
You have provided not one single link to support anything you have said so I will put it down to your personal impression of the device based on your own personal speculation.
I have countered with alternative speculation based on actual events (hands ons included) such as official executive commentary and provided you with all the supporting links.
Now, and perhaps adding more fuel to support my speculation on the November delay, we actually have a new claim that has supposedly been confirmed by Huawei.
I mentioned further up that a second gen folding phone was due from the company early next year and that with the delay to the original being pushed back so far, it was possible that the rumoured hinge tweaks had come from that future model.
Now it is being claimed that the entire SoC and camera array have been upgraded for the Mate X. If true, it means the device will have the P30 Pro sensors (as opposed to the Mate 20 Pro sensors) and the unannounced Kirin 990 (as opposed to the Kirin 980).
https://www.neowin.net/news/hands-on-with-huaweis-foldable-with-a-kirin-990-and-p30-equivalent-cameras-the-mate-x
It is all still speculation, as it was from the start but if correct it more than justifies the September to November delay.
Kirin 990 will be announced on 6.09.2019 at IFA 2019.