Apple moves launch of macOS Catalina iCloud folder sharing to spring 2020

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  • Reply 21 of 41
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,958member

    ITGUYINSD said:
    dewme said:
    ITGUYINSD said:
    dewme said:
    I suspect the delay is all about security and privacy concerns. The past decade has taught us that there’s a huge difference between getting something to work and getting something to work securely. The consequences of getting it wrong can be devastating to a company like Apple which prides itself on maintaining security and privacy as an utmost concern. Lesser companies, and especially ones that don’t give a rat’s ass about privacy, would ship it now and patch it later. 
    You did read that Apple already shares files, just not folders?  Is there some difference in security and privacy between sharing folders and sharing files?
    Yes there is a big difference. Marking an existing file for sharing, one that has clear ownership and permissions, is much different than marking a container/folder for sharing. A shared container can contain files from multiple owners with different permissions. Not to mention, iCloud storage has capacity limitations linked to the account holder. I suppose someone could intentionally edit a shared file to make it consume a lot more of your storage capacity, up to whatever limits are placed on individual files. With a shared folder someone could fill your folder with files and consume all of your capacity.  So there are obvious differences between sharing files vs sharing folders.  Sure, you could treat it as a free-for-all with no ownership and simply hope for the best.
    iCloud...it's MY STUFF.  Want to share a folder of files with a colleague or a friend.  Can already do with Dropbox.  Can already do with OneDrive.  Maybe with Google Drive (I don't use it).

    Again, not rocket science.
    geeze you must be trolling. It doesn't matter whatsoever that other products from other companies can already do it. Apple has to complete their own product's implementation, which yes, will be different in its design based on the fact that no two orgs have the same exact architecture. You simply don't get it, which makes your being an "IT guy" suspect at worst, and cringe-inducing for your customers at best. Things are always more complicated than they seem in IT.

    If secure software engineering were so as easy you make it out to be, you'd be a software engineer and not an IT guy, wouldn't you? But it's not. 

    (enterprise software engineer here)
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 22 of 41
    jimh2 said:
    ITGUYINSD said:
    Is it really rocket science to figure out how to share a cloud-based folder?  You have to wonder about Apple sometimes...
    Ignorance is bliss. You, I, and others have no idea what the issue is. I’m happy to wait for Apple to get it perfect and not deliver a half-baked solution that is just pushed out the door. 
    I have no idea what the issue is and I'm not a programmer. But it still surprises me when they can't get this done. I share files and folders in OneDrive, Box, and Dropbox without any issues so what can the problem be if you had to guess?
  • Reply 23 of 41
    dewme said:
    Lesser companies, and especially ones that don’t give a rat’s ass about privacy, would ship it now and patch it later. 
    They just released iOS 13 and Catalina and boy does it need some patching. /s
    edited October 2019
  • Reply 24 of 41
    fastasleepfastasleep Posts: 6,447member
    mistergsf said:
    jimh2 said:
    ITGUYINSD said:
    Is it really rocket science to figure out how to share a cloud-based folder?  You have to wonder about Apple sometimes...
    Ignorance is bliss. You, I, and others have no idea what the issue is. I’m happy to wait for Apple to get it perfect and not deliver a half-baked solution that is just pushed out the door. 
    I have no idea what the issue is and I'm not a programmer. But it still surprises me when they can't get this done. I share files and folders in OneDrive, Box, and Dropbox without any issues so what can the problem be if you had to guess?
    The “problem” is that it’s not finished yet. Why is that hard to understand? Because another product that’s been around for years has already done it, Apple should be able to do it instantly? 
    StrangeDayswatto_cobra
  • Reply 25 of 41
    mistergsf said:
    jimh2 said:
    ITGUYINSD said:
    Is it really rocket science to figure out how to share a cloud-based folder?  You have to wonder about Apple sometimes...
    Ignorance is bliss. You, I, and others have no idea what the issue is. I’m happy to wait for Apple to get it perfect and not deliver a half-baked solution that is just pushed out the door. 
    I have no idea what the issue is and I'm not a programmer. But it still surprises me when they can't get this done. I share files and folders in OneDrive, Box, and Dropbox without any issues so what can the problem be if you had to guess?
    The “problem” is that it’s not finished yet. Why is that hard to understand? Because another product that’s been around for years has already done it, Apple should be able to do it instantly? 
    Man, get off your high horse. I said nothing about not understanding it wasn't finished. And there is nothing unreasonable about questioning or asking questions.  And yes, not unreasonable to think Apple should be able to do something like sharing folders instantly.  For Chrissakes, we don't even have crossfade in Apple Music when TIDAL and Spotify have it.  Can't say anything negative around Apple sheep!

    Edited to be a bit more polite and less angry.

    edited October 2019
  • Reply 26 of 41
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,958member
    mistergsf said:
    mistergsf said:
    jimh2 said:
    ITGUYINSD said:
    Is it really rocket science to figure out how to share a cloud-based folder?  You have to wonder about Apple sometimes...
    Ignorance is bliss. You, I, and others have no idea what the issue is. I’m happy to wait for Apple to get it perfect and not deliver a half-baked solution that is just pushed out the door. 
    I have no idea what the issue is and I'm not a programmer. But it still surprises me when they can't get this done. I share files and folders in OneDrive, Box, and Dropbox without any issues so what can the problem be if you had to guess?
    The “problem” is that it’s not finished yet. Why is that hard to understand? Because another product that’s been around for years has already done it, Apple should be able to do it instantly? 
    Man, get off your high horse. I said nothing about not understanding it wasn't finished. And there is nothing unreasonable about questioning or asking questions.  And yes, not unreasonable to think Apple should be able to do something like sharing folders instantly.  For Chrissakes, we don't even have crossfade in Apple Music when TIDAL and Spotify have it.  Can't say anything negative around Apple sheep!

    Edited to be a bit more polite and less angry.

    He’s not on a high horse. You asked a question (“what can the problem be?”) and Fastasleep answered it matter of factly — it’s not finished yet. It doesn’t matter that other products who have had this feature already have it today. It’s complete nonsense to expect Apple to have it “instantly”. I’m an enterprise software engineer and nothing is simple or instant. 

    So indeed, what is so hard to understand?

    Also, it is idiotic to call people trying to explain reality to you “Apple sheep”. Get a fucking clue. 
    edited October 2019 fastasleepwatto_cobra
  • Reply 27 of 41
    mistergsf said:
    jimh2 said:
    ITGUYINSD said:
    Is it really rocket science to figure out how to share a cloud-based folder?  You have to wonder about Apple sometimes...
    Ignorance is bliss. You, I, and others have no idea what the issue is. I’m happy to wait for Apple to get it perfect and not deliver a half-baked solution that is just pushed out the door. 
    I have no idea what the issue is and I'm not a programmer. But it still surprises me when they can't get this done. I share files and folders in OneDrive, Box, and Dropbox without any issues so what can the problem be if you had to guess?
    The “problem” is that it’s not finished yet. Why is that hard to understand? Because another product that’s been around for years has already done it, Apple should be able to do it instantly? 
    Apple obviously thought it WOULD be finished by now or they wouldn’t have announced a delivery date then postponed it twice. Ipso facto it seems perfectly reasonable to wonder what’s up.
  • Reply 28 of 41
    fastasleepfastasleep Posts: 6,447member
    mistergsf said:

    Man, get off your high horse. I said nothing about not understanding it wasn't finished.
    Sure you did. "I have no idea what the issue is and I'm not a programmer." and "so what can the problem be if you had to guess", followed by your incredulous "not unreasonable to think Apple should be able to do something like sharing folders instantly" which is ridiculous on its face. Obviously you don't understand how software is developed, which is fine given you're not a programmer, but to assume something can be done instantly by company B because company A did something similar already is some magical thinking. That's not how anything works.

    "Apple sheep" my ass, I'm just telling you how software development schedules work, since you admittedly don't understand it. You asked.

    mistergsf said:
    jimh2 said:
    ITGUYINSD said:
    Is it really rocket science to figure out how to share a cloud-based folder?  You have to wonder about Apple sometimes...
    Ignorance is bliss. You, I, and others have no idea what the issue is. I’m happy to wait for Apple to get it perfect and not deliver a half-baked solution that is just pushed out the door. 
    I have no idea what the issue is and I'm not a programmer. But it still surprises me when they can't get this done. I share files and folders in OneDrive, Box, and Dropbox without any issues so what can the problem be if you had to guess?
    The “problem” is that it’s not finished yet. Why is that hard to understand? Because another product that’s been around for years has already done it, Apple should be able to do it instantly? 
    Apple obviously thought it WOULD be finished by now or they wouldn’t have announced a delivery date then postponed it twice. Ipso facto it seems perfectly reasonable to wonder what’s up.

    Every single year certain features get pushed out later than the X.0 release. Don't think we saw anywhere that this was expected to be out in 13.0, much less 13.1. Maybe they thought they could potentially get it into 13.2 and had the "later in 2019" language on the site for that reason, but if that no longer aligns with their development schedule, then so be it. The "what's up" is that it's simply not finished yet. 

    watto_cobra
  • Reply 29 of 41
    mistergsf said:
    mistergsf said:
    jimh2 said:
    ITGUYINSD said:
    Is it really rocket science to figure out how to share a cloud-based folder?  You have to wonder about Apple sometimes...
    Ignorance is bliss. You, I, and others have no idea what the issue is. I’m happy to wait for Apple to get it perfect and not deliver a half-baked solution that is just pushed out the door. 
    I have no idea what the issue is and I'm not a programmer. But it still surprises me when they can't get this done. I share files and folders in OneDrive, Box, and Dropbox without any issues so what can the problem be if you had to guess?
    The “problem” is that it’s not finished yet. Why is that hard to understand? Because another product that’s been around for years has already done it, Apple should be able to do it instantly? 
    Man, get off your high horse. I said nothing about not understanding it wasn't finished. And there is nothing unreasonable about questioning or asking questions.  And yes, not unreasonable to think Apple should be able to do something like sharing folders instantly.  For Chrissakes, we don't even have crossfade in Apple Music when TIDAL and Spotify have it.  Can't say anything negative around Apple sheep!

    Edited to be a bit more polite and less angry.

    He’s not on a high horse. You asked a question (“what can the problem be?”) and Fastasleep answered it matter of factly — it’s not finished yet. It doesn’t matter that other products who have had this feature already have it today. It’s complete nonsense to expect Apple to have it “instantly”. I’m an enterprise software engineer and nothing is simple or instant. 

    So indeed, what is so hard to understand?

    Also, it is idiotic to call people trying to explain reality to you “Apple sheep”. Get a fucking clue. 
    OMFG! If I ask what could be causing it to be delayed and someone answers, "cause it's delayed, why can't you understand that?" that's not "matter of factly" it's just another way of saying shut up already. No amount of explanation from you is gonna change that.  This is a forum for discussion and if you have matter of factly answers that are condescending to the discussion then just shut the fcuk up. The feature was announced earlier this year and delayed twice so it's not "instantly".  We can ask questions if we want. That's the reality, idiot.  Is THAT so hard to understand? Maybe you should get a fucking clue.

    Edited: 
    edited October 2019
  • Reply 30 of 41
    kevin keekevin kee Posts: 1,289member
    We can share iCloud folders already: https://www.idownloadblog.com/2019/08/13/share-icloud-folders-tutorial/

    Not sure what is the issue.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 31 of 41
    fastasleepfastasleep Posts: 6,447member
    mistergsf said:
    mistergsf said:
    mistergsf said:
    jimh2 said:
    ITGUYINSD said:
    Is it really rocket science to figure out how to share a cloud-based folder?  You have to wonder about Apple sometimes...
    Ignorance is bliss. You, I, and others have no idea what the issue is. I’m happy to wait for Apple to get it perfect and not deliver a half-baked solution that is just pushed out the door. 
    I have no idea what the issue is and I'm not a programmer. But it still surprises me when they can't get this done. I share files and folders in OneDrive, Box, and Dropbox without any issues so what can the problem be if you had to guess?
    The “problem” is that it’s not finished yet. Why is that hard to understand? Because another product that’s been around for years has already done it, Apple should be able to do it instantly? 
    Man, get off your high horse. I said nothing about not understanding it wasn't finished. And there is nothing unreasonable about questioning or asking questions.  And yes, not unreasonable to think Apple should be able to do something like sharing folders instantly.  For Chrissakes, we don't even have crossfade in Apple Music when TIDAL and Spotify have it.  Can't say anything negative around Apple sheep!

    Edited to be a bit more polite and less angry.

    He’s not on a high horse. You asked a question (“what can the problem be?”) and Fastasleep answered it matter of factly — it’s not finished yet. It doesn’t matter that other products who have had this feature already have it today. It’s complete nonsense to expect Apple to have it “instantly”. I’m an enterprise software engineer and nothing is simple or instant. 

    So indeed, what is so hard to understand?

    Also, it is idiotic to call people trying to explain reality to you “Apple sheep”. Get a fucking clue. 
    OMFG! If I ask what could be causing it to be delayed and someone answers, "cause it's delayed, why can't you understand that?" that's not "matter of factly" it's just another way of saying shut up already. No amount of explanation from you is gonna change that.  This is a forum for discussion and if you have matter of factly answers that are condescending to the discussion then just shut the fcuk up. The feature was announced earlier this year and delayed twice so it's not "instantly".  We can ask questions if we want. That's the reality, idiot.  Is THAT so hard to understand? Maybe you should get a fucking clue.

    Edited: 
    Okay, here's another answer if you didn't like my first one: Nobody knows which aspects are unfinished except for the software engineers working on it and their bosses. Apple releases OS features that were announced at WWDC periodically throughout the year as point releases get finished, and no sooner. The fact that you are able to use other software with similar features is irrelevant. Better?
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 32 of 41
    fastasleepfastasleep Posts: 6,447member

    kevin kee said:
    We can share iCloud folders already: https://www.idownloadblog.com/2019/08/13/share-icloud-folders-tutorial/

    Not sure what is the issue.
    That was in an early beta and has long since been removed.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 33 of 41
    kevin keekevin kee Posts: 1,289member

    kevin kee said:
    We can share iCloud folders already: https://www.idownloadblog.com/2019/08/13/share-icloud-folders-tutorial/

    Not sure what is the issue.
    That was in an early beta and has long since been removed.
    It seems to work fine before. The only thing I can think of why Apple delayed it because they encountered major issues that has nothing to do with coding and server, most likely legal or security hole.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 34 of 41
    Disappointed but not surprised that this feature has been delayed.  It was enabled in early betas, but iCloud was very buggy, with a lot of people complaining about losing data during syncs between devices and such.

    Apple definitely seemed a little overwhelmed this year with getting their OS updates ready for release.  In what has become a tick-tock cycle for OS updates, this year definitely seems like a “tick”.  Better for Apple to delay a new feature that isn’t ready for prime time than to release it with a lot of critical bugs that would cause people to lose files.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 35 of 41
    kevin keekevin kee Posts: 1,289member
    with a lot of people complaining about losing data during syncs between devices and such.
    I never had such issues.
  • Reply 36 of 41
    jimh2 said:
    ITGUYINSD said:
    Is it really rocket science to figure out how to share a cloud-based folder?  You have to wonder about Apple sometimes...
    Ignorance is bliss. You, I, and others have no idea what the issue is. I’m happy to wait for Apple to get it perfect and not deliver a half-baked solution that is just pushed out the door. 
    Dropbox has been doing it for many many years.  Not that hard to do.  Catalina itself is half-baked and just pushed out the door when Apple can’t deliver promised features.  
  • Reply 37 of 41

    cincytee said:
    ITGUYINSD said:
    Is it really rocket science to figure out how to share a cloud-based folder?  You have to wonder about Apple sometimes...
    No, but it might be rocket science to figure how to do it in a way that doesn't get them sued by Dropbox or Microsoft or Google.
    I doubt if there are any patents on folder sharing, considering people have been sharing folders since as early as System 7.  
  • Reply 38 of 41

    cincytee said:
    ITGUYINSD said:
    Is it really rocket science to figure out how to share a cloud-based folder?  You have to wonder about Apple sometimes...
    No, but it might be rocket science to figure how to do it in a way that doesn't get them sued by Dropbox or Microsoft or Google.
    I doubt if there are any patents on folder sharing, considering people have been sharing folders since as early as System 7.  
  • Reply 39 of 41
    dewme said:
    Lesser companies, and especially ones that don’t give a rat’s ass about privacy, would ship it now and patch it later. 
    That’s funny considering Apple has issued THREE patches to iOS 13 in just a few weeks.  So yeah, they shipped it now and decided to fix it later.  You must live in a hole or something.  
  • Reply 40 of 41


    I wish all of Catalina had been delayed until the Spring of 2020.  This release really feels half baked.
    I'm experiencing no problems on my machine, so I wouldn't have wanted to wait. What issues specifically are causing down time for you? Must be something pretty major, right?
    How about the stripped down baby versions of Music, Podcasts, and TV?   All missing features that iTunes offered.  Features that were supposed to be in Catalina, but stripped and delayed.  
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