It's a logical (and correct) move and better late than never.
At this rate they could end up around three years late to market
Love the cute little anti-Apple jabs. Remember Apple was 20 years late to the cell phone market and analysts claimed there was no way they would dethrone Motorola, Nokia and Blackberry.
Where are they now?
When Apple innovates they do it RIGHT. They can release a half-assed modem tomorrow just to make make morons think they're "first" or something stupid (think Samsung) but they have a bigger picture in mind.
You are confused. Companies or technologies? In this case, whatever Apple does will still use the same technology as competitors. In other words there is no disruption of any sort. Just catching up to competitors.
And to be honest they couldn't release a half assed modem tomorrow either. It has to go through long certification. That's how far behind they are and why an on SoC effort seems to be so far off.
Apple released, yet again, the most performant mobile ARM SOC in the world, the A13, and lacking a 5G modem isn't having much of an impact on sales, based on actual data. On the other hand, consumers that initially loathed the triple camera configuration of the iPhone 11 Pro, powered by the A13, have now become enthusiastic about it, and that design feature has become branding for Apple's iPhone 11 Pro.
Expect the Xerox machines to work overtime in China to copy Apple, yet again.
That's actually what innovation looks like.
A11, A12, A13.
Nothing changed. People didn't see the performance when everything was already fast.
One camera, two cameras, three cameras. People won't see the difference because the features are already available and have been available for years.
Almost two years ago (and even one month ago!) when the the iPhone was producing black images against the competition's night modes, the difference was dramatic.
Apple is catching up, and not having a 5G phone is just another example.
History will repeat itself. Not long ago people here were saying night mode wasn't of real note. It was 'meh!'. Now they rave about it. Now people say 5G only offers a speed increase over a system that already gives then enough speed. Mark my words. When Apple gets on the 5G train, people will rave about it too.
By then 5G will be on most new phones and outsiders will scratch their heads asking what the fuss is about when their mid range phones have had it for months and Apple's affordable phones chug along without 5G.
The same thing happened with battery life and charging.
As for looks. The design is ugly and no amount of spin and squinting (or alcohol!) will change that.
Where are 5G rave reviews? I haven’t seen anything informing me the joys people are experiencing with their 5G devices. If you can point me to the stories I would greatly appreciate it.
It's a logical (and correct) move and better late than never.
At this rate they could end up around three years late to market and going up against competing third or fourth generation integrated modems, but from a consumer perspective, performance isn't really that big of an issue (borne out by the intel experience) as long as the core technology is in the phone. Be it an on SoC Apple designed 5G multimode modem or a QC part which isn't on the SoC.
They will also have to make sure that the corresponding antennas do a great job too because antenna performance is important the user experience although most don't give it a second thought when buying a phone.
That's why the Mate 30 Pro 5G has 21 bleeding edge antennas in it. 14 alone for 5G, and antennas will be increasingly important as the industry moves to 5G.
A 5G Antenna white paper was officially released just two days ago at the Global Antenna Technology & Industry Forum held in Amsterdam.
It won't be easy in the time frame suggested here but I think designing an in-house modem makes sense in the long run.
Being three years late to market might benefit Apple since the current crop of 5G cell phone modems are a hot mess right now. Kinda like being late to the folding cell phone market.
The problem is that 5G cell modems aren't a 'hot mess'. The second gen Balong 5000 is already shipping - onSoC - and both Huawei and Qualcomm will be shifting huge numbers of 5G phones in the middle tiers within months:
I already said before after Qualcomm deal that 2020 iPhone uses Qualcomm
5G modem, 2021 Apple designed 5G modem and 2022 Apple 5G integrated on
SOC.
My experience is that the intel modem in the iphone 8 is worse than the modem in the iphone 7. I'm wait for an iPhone with the QualComm modem and will by the first one available. The current iPhone 11Pro/Pro Max phones sound like they have a great camera but I'm not wasting my money on another suckie Intel modem. Hope springs eternal that Apple returns to make great products. Sounds like we will have a MBP next year with a decent keyboard for a change. Till then I'll continue using my 2015 model.
It's a logical (and correct) move and better late than never.
At this rate they could end up around three years late to market and going up against competing third or fourth generation integrated modems, but from a consumer perspective, performance isn't really that big of an issue (borne out by the intel experience) as long as the core technology is in the phone. Be it an on SoC Apple designed 5G multimode modem or a QC part which isn't on the SoC.
They will also have to make sure that the corresponding antennas do a great job too because antenna performance is important the user experience although most don't give it a second thought when buying a phone.
That's why the Mate 30 Pro 5G has 21 bleeding edge antennas in it. 14 alone for 5G, and antennas will be increasingly important as the industry moves to 5G.
A 5G Antenna white paper was officially released just two days ago at the Global Antenna Technology & Industry Forum held in Amsterdam.
It won't be easy in the time frame suggested here but I think designing an in-house modem makes sense in the long run.
Being three years late to market might benefit Apple since the current crop of 5G cell phone modems are a hot mess right now. Kinda like being late to the folding cell phone market.
The problem is that 5G cell modems aren't a 'hot mess'. The second gen Balong 5000 is already shipping - onSoC - and both Huawei and Qualcomm will be shifting huge numbers of 5G phones in the middle tiers within months:
Long before Apple gets its 5G QC modem onto the market, competitors will be flooding it with non flagship 5G products.
Rumours claim Huawei already has its 5nm Kirin 1000 in trial production and it is probable that a third generation Balong 5G chip will be on it.
Samsung and Mediatek also have their own efforts rolling out.
With so much 5G rolling out where are all the rave reviews from millions of people about 5G? I’m reading many stories about Apple not having 5G and zero stories about the 5G rewards people are experiencing.
Many people on this forum mistakenly assume that just because American carriers are slow and crappy about rolling out 5G that that is the case in every country in the rest of the world. I would not be surprised that Huawei is the equipment provider for many Chinese telecos and they have been encouraging a fast rollout of 5G Networking equipment to be able to give their phones a real advantage over Apple. I'm sure Huawei is aiming to get as many Chinese iPhone users to switch. With the way Apple caves to Beijing on the Hong Kong app front I doubt Apple phones enjoy much of a Privacy advantage over Android. Apple appears to be stuck in China.
The problem is that 5G cell modems aren't a 'hot mess'. The second gen Balong 5000 is already shipping - onSoC - and both Huawei and Qualcomm will be shifting huge numbers of 5G phones in the middle tiers within months:
Long before Apple gets its 5G QC modem onto the market, competitors will be flooding it with non flagship 5G products.
I'm not sure it matters much, at least for the Americas market. The US companies have made a lot of noise about 5G testing, but the super-fast, microwave-based "5G" isn't coming to anytime soon. What most of us are going to get except in isolated test pockets is really better referred to as "LTE Plus," a more efficient and pleasantly but not blazingly faster "5G." AI wrote a very good article explaining the difference, but the bottom line was that super-fast "5G" has serious limitations and won't see wide rollouts (and will be very expensive to use); "LTE Plus" type 5G will be coming much sooner, and may bring with it some smaller price hikes.
Further, I don't think most users (by this I mean 95+ percent) will care if the "5G" modem in the next iPhone is made by Qualcomm or Apple. They will only care if the 2020 iPhone doesn't have "5G."
The problem is that 5G cell modems aren't a 'hot mess'. The second gen Balong 5000 is already shipping - onSoC - and both Huawei and Qualcomm will be shifting huge numbers of 5G phones in the middle tiers within months:
Long before Apple gets its 5G QC modem onto the market, competitors will be flooding it with non flagship 5G products.
Rumours claim Huawei already has its 5nm Kirin 1000 in trial production and it is probable that a third generation Balong 5G chip will be on it.
Samsung and Mediatek also have their own efforts rolling out.
I'm not sure it matters much, at least for the Americas market. The US companies have made a lot of noise about 5G testing, but the super-fast, microwave-based "5G" isn't coming to <insert name of your town> anytime soon. What most of us are going to get except in isolated test pockets is really better referred to as "LTE Plus," a more efficient and pleasantly but not blazingly faster "5G." AI wrote a very good article explaining the difference, but the bottom line was that super-fast "5G" has serious limitations and won't see wide rollouts (and will be very expensive to use); "LTE Plus" type 5G will be coming much sooner, and may bring with it some smaller price hikes.
Further, I don't think most users (by this I mean 95+ percent) will care if the "5G" modem in the next iPhone is made by Qualcomm or Apple. They will only care if the 2020 iPhone doesn't have "5G."
It's a logical (and correct) move and better late than never.
At this rate they could end up around three years late to market
Love the cute little anti-Apple jabs. Remember Apple was 20 years late to the cell phone market and analysts claimed there was no way they would dethrone Motorola, Nokia and Blackberry.
Where are they now?
When Apple innovates they do it RIGHT. They can release a half-assed modem tomorrow just to make make morons think they're "first" or something stupid (think Samsung) but they have a bigger picture in mind.
You are confused. Companies or technologies? In this case, whatever Apple does will still use the same technology as competitors. In other words there is no disruption of any sort. Just catching up to competitors.
And to be honest they couldn't release a half assed modem tomorrow either. It has to go through long certification. That's how far behind they are and why an on SoC effort seems to be so far off.
Apple released, yet again, the most performant mobile ARM SOC in the world, the A13, and lacking a 5G modem isn't having much of an impact on sales, based on actual data. On the other hand, consumers that initially loathed the triple camera configuration of the iPhone 11 Pro, powered by the A13, have now become enthusiastic about it, and that design feature has become branding for Apple's iPhone 11 Pro.
Expect the Xerox machines to work overtime in China to copy Apple, yet again.
That's actually what innovation looks like.
A11, A12, A13.
Nothing changed. People didn't see the performance when everything was already fast.
One camera, two cameras, three cameras. People won't see the difference because the features are already available and have been available for years.
Almost two years ago (and even one month ago!) when the the iPhone was producing black images against the competition's night modes, the difference was dramatic.
Apple is catching up, and not having a 5G phone is just another example.
History will repeat itself. Not long ago people here were saying night mode wasn't of real note. It was 'meh!'. Now they rave about it. Now people say 5G only offers a speed increase over a system that already gives then enough speed. Mark my words. When Apple gets on the 5G train, people will rave about it too.
By then 5G will be on most new phones and outsiders will scratch their heads asking what the fuss is about when their mid range phones have had it for months and Apple's affordable phones chug along without 5G.
The same thing happened with battery life and charging.
As for looks. The design is ugly and no amount of spin and squinting (or alcohol!) will change that.
Where are 5G rave reviews? I haven’t seen anything informing me the joys people are experiencing with their 5G devices. If you can point me to the stories I would greatly appreciate it.
There don't have to be rave reviews. That is part of the whole point.
When the A11 was released, did the vast majority of iPhone users really notice the big gains over previous generations? Were there apps in their daily lives that took things to another level? Was the power truly realised in the eyes of the user?
It seems there are a huge amount of users happily sitting things out on iPhone 6s phones. Clearly, the A11, A12 and A13, while providing performance gains, haven't really done much for the company. That hasn't stopped the benchmarks appearing even though people already have phones that are more than fast enough on both platforms.
Early reports suggest things might be picking up for Apple but the reasons aren't pure performance. That has been there with every generation so why the possible change?
What people want are things that they can notice. Camera versatility, battery capacities and charging. Things that are tangible in users' lives. Things that have been sorely missing. Those things are at least beginning to appear and prices have come down where it matters.
In photography, everyone has focused on low light performance for the last couple of years and Apple just hasn't been in the game. Ditto batteries and charging etc.
Not having something that others do have (and use in marketing) leaves your product not competing in key areas.
That is one of the issues with not having a 5G option. Marketing.
The simple fact of not having what others are perceived to have (just like tri-cameras, low light performance, fast charging, long battery life etc) is damaging.
Then you have to factor in that people will think 'ok, I might not need 5G now, but what about next year?' That is a reasonable doubt.
5G, as with every other generation, will hit the cities with higher populations first and the roll out will be far quicker than with any previous generation. How long it took 4G to hit your town or city won't act as a valid guide to the 5G roll out due to massive changes in the deployment situation so unless you live somewhere where you already know there are no plans for 5G, your new candidate phone not having it will be a consideration.
This Christmas there will be a marketing blitz around 5G to generate interest and convince people that they need it. There is no need for rave reviews.
It's a logical (and correct) move and better late than never.
At this rate they could end up around three years late to market
Love the cute little anti-Apple jabs. Remember Apple was 20 years late to the cell phone market and analysts claimed there was no way they would dethrone Motorola, Nokia and Blackberry.
Where are they now?
When Apple innovates they do it RIGHT. They can release a half-assed modem tomorrow just to make make morons think they're "first" or something stupid (think Samsung) but they have a bigger picture in mind.
You are confused. Companies or technologies? In this case, whatever Apple does will still use the same technology as competitors. In other words there is no disruption of any sort. Just catching up to competitors.
And to be honest they couldn't release a half assed modem tomorrow either. It has to go through long certification. That's how far behind they are and why an on SoC effort seems to be so far off.
Apple released, yet again, the most performant mobile ARM SOC in the world, the A13, and lacking a 5G modem isn't having much of an impact on sales, based on actual data. On the other hand, consumers that initially loathed the triple camera configuration of the iPhone 11 Pro, powered by the A13, have now become enthusiastic about it, and that design feature has become branding for Apple's iPhone 11 Pro.
Expect the Xerox machines to work overtime in China to copy Apple, yet again.
That's actually what innovation looks like.
A11, A12, A13.
Nothing changed. People didn't see the performance when everything was already fast.
One camera, two cameras, three cameras. People won't see the difference because the features are already available and have been available for years.
Almost two years ago (and even one month ago!) when the the iPhone was producing black images against the competition's night modes, the difference was dramatic.
Apple is catching up, and not having a 5G phone is just another example.
History will repeat itself. Not long ago people here were saying night mode wasn't of real note. It was 'meh!'. Now they rave about it. Now people say 5G only offers a speed increase over a system that already gives then enough speed. Mark my words. When Apple gets on the 5G train, people will rave about it too.
By then 5G will be on most new phones and outsiders will scratch their heads asking what the fuss is about when their mid range phones have had it for months and Apple's affordable phones chug along without 5G.
The same thing happened with battery life and charging.
As for looks. The design is ugly and no amount of spin and squinting (or alcohol!) will change that.
Where are 5G rave reviews? I haven’t seen anything informing me the joys people are experiencing with their 5G devices. If you can point me to the stories I would greatly appreciate it.
There don't have to be rave reviews. That is part of the whole point.
When the A11 was released, did the vast majority of iPhone users really notice the big gains over previous generations? Were there apps in their daily lives that took things to another level? Was the power truly realised in the eyes of the user?
It seems there are a huge amount of users happily sitting things out on iPhone 6s phones. Clearly, the A11, A12 and A13, while providing performance gains, haven't really done much for the company. That hasn't stopped the benchmarks appearing even though people already have phones that are more than fast enough on both platforms.
Early reports suggest things might be picking up for Apple but the reasons aren't pure performance. That has been there with every generation so why the possible change?
What people want are things that they can notice. Camera versatility, battery capacities and charging. Things that are tangible in users' lives. Things that have been sorely missing. Those things are at least beginning to appear and prices have come down where it matters.
In photography, everyone has focused on low light performance for the last couple of years and Apple just hasn't been in the game. Ditto batteries and charging etc.
Not having something that others do have (and use in marketing) leaves your product not competing in key areas.
That is one of the issues with not having a 5G option. Marketing.
The simple fact of not having what others are perceived to have (just like tri-cameras, low light performance, fast charging, long battery life etc) is damaging.
Then you have to factor in that people will think 'ok, I might not need 5G now, but what about next year?' That is a reasonable doubt.
5G, as with every other generation, will hit the cities with higher populations first and the roll out will be far quicker than with any previous generation. How long it took 4G to hit your town or city won't act as a valid guide to the 5G roll out due to massive changes in the deployment situation so unless you live somewhere where you already know there are no plans for 5G, your new candidate phone not having it will be a consideration.
This Christmas there will be a marketing blitz around 5G to generate interest and convince people that they need it. There is no need for rave reviews.
That's true. But also, the value of 5G will grow over time -- meaning the 4, 5 or possibly 6 year life of an iPhone. It's not a case so much as using 5G as a sparkly object to get people to buy the phone. Rather, in a few years people not complaining "I just have a crappy old iPhone with 4G".
Here in Pittsburgh Verizon bought up many (all?) of the telephone poles and is testing, reinforcing and replacing any not strong enough. There can really be only one reason for that: Telephone poles are ideal 5G cell towers -- to replace the 40 year old coax most have running into their homes. It will kill 2 birds with one stone: replace overly expensive 40 year old communications technology (carriers don't like running cable anymore than homeowners do -- probably less so) and blanket an area with 5G coverage.
It's a logical (and correct) move and better late than never.
At this rate they could end up around three years late to market and going up against competing third or fourth generation integrated modems, but from a consumer perspective, performance isn't really that big of an issue (borne out by the intel experience) as long as the core technology is in the phone. Be it an on SoC Apple designed 5G multimode modem or a QC part which isn't on the SoC.
They will also have to make sure that the corresponding antennas do a great job too because antenna performance is important the user experience although most don't give it a second thought when buying a phone.
That's why the Mate 30 Pro 5G has 21 bleeding edge antennas in it. 14 alone for 5G, and antennas will be increasingly important as the industry moves to 5G.
A 5G Antenna white paper was officially released just two days ago at the Global Antenna Technology & Industry Forum held in Amsterdam.
It won't be easy in the time frame suggested here but I think designing an in-house modem makes sense in the long run.
Being three years late to market might benefit Apple since the current crop of 5G cell phone modems are a hot mess right now. Kinda like being late to the folding cell phone market.
The problem is that 5G cell modems aren't a 'hot mess'. The second gen Balong 5000 is already shipping - onSoC - and both Huawei and Qualcomm will be shifting huge numbers of 5G phones in the middle tiers within months:
We Tested 5G Across America. It’s Crazy Fast—and a Hot Mess
That's it?
One phone. One modem. One country? And even then, only above a certain temperature?
That's your case against 5G in its entirety?
You are struggling.
The X50 (in the phone in question) was QC's first gen offering. Now they have the X55 and a third generation in a couple of months.
Anyway, QC isn't 5G, is it?
If you want to criticise 5G, take a broader look. Why not try with what I wrote further up?
If the Kirin 990 has an on SoC multimode 5G modem, do you really think heat is an issue? If QC has already announced on SoC 5G offerings, do you think heat is an issue? If Huawei stacked 3GB of memory on top of the Balong 5000, was heat an issue? And even if it were, is pulling back to 4GLTE a huge problem when heat is too much. Would you rather NOT have 5G on your phone in spite of having access to a 5G network? I doubt it. I'm sure you would try to take advantage of it as much as possible. Is the phone shutting down? That's what first generation MacBook Airs did when they too overheated (and indepentently of the ambient temperature). First generation products tend to have these kinds of issues.
You tried to paint a picture using a very poor brush. Or were you deliberately trying to distort the general picture?
Heat is something to be dealt with. It's real and it's an issue. It's logical due to the speeds and technologies involved. Heat affects all phones (and while we're at it, cold too).
It doesn't matter how big the font. It still isn't relevant to 5G as a whole. In fact, even in case you present, it would be a non issue in many countries.
It's a logical (and correct) move and better late than never.
At this rate they could end up around three years late to market and going up against competing third or fourth generation integrated modems, but from a consumer perspective, performance isn't really that big of an issue (borne out by the intel experience) as long as the core technology is in the phone. Be it an on SoC Apple designed 5G multimode modem or a QC part which isn't on the SoC.
They will also have to make sure that the corresponding antennas do a great job too because antenna performance is important the user experience although most don't give it a second thought when buying a phone.
That's why the Mate 30 Pro 5G has 21 bleeding edge antennas in it. 14 alone for 5G, and antennas will be increasingly important as the industry moves to 5G.
A 5G Antenna white paper was officially released just two days ago at the Global Antenna Technology & Industry Forum held in Amsterdam.
It won't be easy in the time frame suggested here but I think designing an in-house modem makes sense in the long run.
Being three years late to market might benefit Apple since the current crop of 5G cell phone modems are a hot mess right now. Kinda like being late to the folding cell phone market.
The problem is that 5G cell modems aren't a 'hot mess'. The second gen Balong 5000 is already shipping - onSoC - and both Huawei and Qualcomm will be shifting huge numbers of 5G phones in the middle tiers within months:
We Tested 5G Across America. It’s Crazy Fast—and a Hot Mess
That's it?
One phone. One modem. One country? And even then, only above a certain temperature?
That's your case against 5G in its entirety?
You are struggling.
The X50 (in the phone in question) was QC's first gen offering. Now they have the X55 and a third generation in a couple of months.
Anyway, QC isn't 5G, is it?
If you want to criticise 5G, take a broader look. Why not try with what I wrote further up?
If the Kirin 990 has an on SoC multimode 5G modem, do you really think heat is an issue? If QC has already announced on SoC 5G offerings, do you think heat is an issue? If Huawei stacked 3GB of memory on top of the Balong 5000, was heat an issue? And even if it were, is pulling back to 4GLTE a huge problem when heat is too much. Would you rather NOT have 5G on your phone in spite of having access to a 5G network? I doubt it. I'm sure you would try to take advantage of it as much as possible. Is the phone shutting down? That's what first generation MacBook Airs did when they too overheated (and indepentently of the ambient temperature). First generation products tend to have these kinds of issues.
You tried to paint a picture using a very poor brush. Or were you deliberately trying to distort the general picture?
Heat is something to be dealt with. It's real and it's an issue. It's logical due to the speeds and technologies involved. Heat affects all phones (and while we're at it, cold too).
It doesn't matter how big the font. It still isn't relevant to 5G as a whole. In fact, even in case you present, it would be a non issue in many countries.
Weak sauce on your part. I posted the following to you earlier;
"5G phones get hot. Really hot. Probably not hot enough to ignite your battery (probably), but enough to generate a definite burning sensation in your pants pockets. At Mobile World Congress in February, we spoke with an engineer from Sony who was demo’ing a phone (behind glass) that was clocking 1 Gbps speeds. Wow, fast. We asked the engineer why it was not going faster and he said “It overheats.” A good solid answer, from a nuts-and-bolts-and-antenna person. We will wager any amount that at next year’s show, no one on the floor will be as open about this problem."
It's a logical (and correct) move and better late than never.
At this rate they could end up around three years late to market and going up against competing third or fourth generation integrated modems, but from a consumer perspective, performance isn't really that big of an issue (borne out by the intel experience) as long as the core technology is in the phone. Be it an on SoC Apple designed 5G multimode modem or a QC part which isn't on the SoC.
They will also have to make sure that the corresponding antennas do a great job too because antenna performance is important the user experience although most don't give it a second thought when buying a phone.
That's why the Mate 30 Pro 5G has 21 bleeding edge antennas in it. 14 alone for 5G, and antennas will be increasingly important as the industry moves to 5G.
A 5G Antenna white paper was officially released just two days ago at the Global Antenna Technology & Industry Forum held in Amsterdam.
It won't be easy in the time frame suggested here but I think designing an in-house modem makes sense in the long run.
Being three years late to market might benefit Apple since the current crop of 5G cell phone modems are a hot mess right now. Kinda like being late to the folding cell phone market.
The problem is that 5G cell modems aren't a 'hot mess'. The second gen Balong 5000 is already shipping - onSoC - and both Huawei and Qualcomm will be shifting huge numbers of 5G phones in the middle tiers within months:
We Tested 5G Across America. It’s Crazy Fast—and a Hot Mess
That's it?
One phone. One modem. One country? And even then, only above a certain temperature?
That's your case against 5G in its entirety?
You are struggling.
The X50 (in the phone in question) was QC's first gen offering. Now they have the X55 and a third generation in a couple of months.
Anyway, QC isn't 5G, is it?
If you want to criticise 5G, take a broader look. Why not try with what I wrote further up?
If the Kirin 990 has an on SoC multimode 5G modem, do you really think heat is an issue? If QC has already announced on SoC 5G offerings, do you think heat is an issue? If Huawei stacked 3GB of memory on top of the Balong 5000, was heat an issue? And even if it were, is pulling back to 4GLTE a huge problem when heat is too much. Would you rather NOT have 5G on your phone in spite of having access to a 5G network? I doubt it. I'm sure you would try to take advantage of it as much as possible. Is the phone shutting down? That's what first generation MacBook Airs did when they too overheated (and indepentently of the ambient temperature). First generation products tend to have these kinds of issues.
You tried to paint a picture using a very poor brush. Or were you deliberately trying to distort the general picture?
Heat is something to be dealt with. It's real and it's an issue. It's logical due to the speeds and technologies involved. Heat affects all phones (and while we're at it, cold too).
It doesn't matter how big the font. It still isn't relevant to 5G as a whole. In fact, even in case you present, it would be a non issue in many countries.
Weak sauce on your part. I posted the following to you earlier;
"5G phones get hot. Really hot. Probably not hot enough to ignite your battery (probably), but enough to generate a definite burning sensation in your pants pockets. At Mobile World Congress in February, we spoke with an engineer from Sony who was demo’ing a phone (behind glass) that was clocking 1 Gbps speeds. Wow, fast. We asked the engineer why it was not going faster and he said “It overheats.” A good solid answer, from a nuts-and-bolts-and-antenna person. We will wager any amount that at next year’s show, no one on the floor will be as open about this problem."
I was actually taking that into account.
As I said, heat is inevitable but has to be dealt with. Each subsequent generation will improve things.
Your own link actually says 3G was far worse. It also makes some pretty serious technical mistakes btw.
But that doesn't merit the 'hot mess' label.
The Balong 5000 can now be considered technically a third generation deployment and you can be sure that early next year there will be further optimisations and another generation (or two). Between now and then, every day will see further advances in coverage from carriers. The roll out will be far faster than 4G.
You can also be sure that the marketing push will be huge and that is the real point for Apple buyers. Should they hold off or buy into a new phone sans 5G as the marketing blitz swirls around them? Heat, coverage, battery life and the age old problem of real vs theoretical speed etc are non issues for marketing. Marketing only has to 'sell'.
Knowing that 5G isn't widespread now and could be a reason to not buy into it today, doesn't mean it won't be widespread in the life of the phone.
If you were in Switzerland now, how would you see things?
5G coverage will change radically and quickly. The same applies to China and South Korea and a lot of other places. Coverage in Spain, for example, will balloon early next year as all the major carriers go live. That all translates into a major issue if you are looking for an iPhone to take you through the next three years and you know 5G is coming to your area AND you know Apple itself will have a 5G phone (albeit with a QC modem) next September.
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Where are 5G rave reviews? I haven’t seen anything informing me the joys people are experiencing with their 5G devices. If you can point me to the stories I would greatly appreciate it.
We Tested 5G Across America. It’s Crazy Fast—and a Hot Mess
When the A11 was released, did the vast majority of iPhone users really notice the big gains over previous generations? Were there apps in their daily lives that took things to another level? Was the power truly realised in the eyes of the user?
It seems there are a huge amount of users happily sitting things out on iPhone 6s phones. Clearly, the A11, A12 and A13, while providing performance gains, haven't really done much for the company. That hasn't stopped the benchmarks appearing even though people already have phones that are more than fast enough on both platforms.
Early reports suggest things might be picking up for Apple but the reasons aren't pure performance. That has been there with every generation so why the possible change?
What people want are things that they can notice. Camera versatility, battery capacities and charging. Things that are tangible in users' lives. Things that have been sorely missing. Those things are at least beginning to appear and prices have come down where it matters.
In photography, everyone has focused on low light performance for the last couple of years and Apple just hasn't been in the game. Ditto batteries and charging etc.
Not having something that others do have (and use in marketing) leaves your product not competing in key areas.
That is one of the issues with not having a 5G option. Marketing.
The simple fact of not having what others are perceived to have (just like tri-cameras, low light performance, fast charging, long battery life etc) is damaging.
Then you have to factor in that people will think 'ok, I might not need 5G now, but what about next year?' That is a reasonable doubt.
5G, as with every other generation, will hit the cities with higher populations first and the roll out will be far quicker than with any previous generation. How long it took 4G to hit your town or city won't act as a valid guide to the 5G roll out due to massive changes in the deployment situation so unless you live somewhere where you already know there are no plans for 5G, your new candidate phone not having it will be a consideration.
This Christmas there will be a marketing blitz around 5G to generate interest and convince people that they need it. There is no need for rave reviews.
It's not a case so much as using 5G as a sparkly object to get people to buy the phone. Rather, in a few years people not complaining "I just have a crappy old iPhone with 4G".
Here in Pittsburgh Verizon bought up many (all?) of the telephone poles and is testing, reinforcing and replacing any not strong enough. There can really be only one reason for that: Telephone poles are ideal 5G cell towers -- to replace the 40 year old coax most have running into their homes. It will kill 2 birds with one stone: replace overly expensive 40 year old communications technology (carriers don't like running cable anymore than homeowners do -- probably less so) and blanket an area with 5G coverage.
One phone. One modem. One country? And even then, only above a certain temperature?
That's your case against 5G in its entirety?
You are struggling.
The X50 (in the phone in question) was QC's first gen offering. Now they have the X55 and a third generation in a couple of months.
Anyway, QC isn't 5G, is it?
If you want to criticise 5G, take a broader look. Why not try with what I wrote further up?
If the Kirin 990 has an on SoC multimode 5G modem, do you really think heat is an issue? If QC has already announced on SoC 5G offerings, do you think heat is an issue? If Huawei stacked 3GB of memory on top of the Balong 5000, was heat an issue? And even if it were, is pulling back to 4GLTE a huge problem when heat is too much. Would you rather NOT have 5G on your phone in spite of having access to a 5G network? I doubt it. I'm sure you would try to take advantage of it as much as possible. Is the phone shutting down? That's what first generation MacBook Airs did when they too overheated (and indepentently of the ambient temperature). First generation products tend to have these kinds of issues.
You tried to paint a picture using a very poor brush. Or were you deliberately trying to distort the general picture?
Heat is something to be dealt with. It's real and it's an issue. It's logical due to the speeds and technologies involved. Heat affects all phones (and while we're at it, cold too).
It doesn't matter how big the font. It still isn't relevant to 5G as a whole. In fact, even in case you present, it would be a non issue in many countries.
http://www.loosewireblog.com/2019/10/5gs-achilles-heel-heat.html?utm_source=Tech&utm_campaign=df736e4c71-EMAIL_CAMPAIGN_2019_10_11_08_25&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_485e9e3d67-df736e4c71-319002265
"5G phones get hot. Really hot. Probably not hot enough to ignite your battery (probably), but enough to generate a definite burning sensation in your pants pockets. At Mobile World Congress in February, we spoke with an engineer from Sony who was demo’ing a phone (behind glass) that was clocking 1 Gbps speeds. Wow, fast. We asked the engineer why it was not going faster and he said “It overheats.” A good solid answer, from a nuts-and-bolts-and-antenna person. We will wager any amount that at next year’s show, no one on the floor will be as open about this problem."
As I said, heat is inevitable but has to be dealt with. Each subsequent generation will improve things.
Your own link actually says 3G was far worse. It also makes some pretty serious technical mistakes btw.
But that doesn't merit the 'hot mess' label.
The Balong 5000 can now be considered technically a third generation deployment and you can be sure that early next year there will be further optimisations and another generation (or two). Between now and then, every day will see further advances in coverage from carriers. The roll out will be far faster than 4G.
You can also be sure that the marketing push will be huge and that is the real point for Apple buyers. Should they hold off or buy into a new phone sans 5G as the marketing blitz swirls around them? Heat, coverage, battery life and the age old problem of real vs theoretical speed etc are non issues for marketing. Marketing only has to 'sell'.
Knowing that 5G isn't widespread now and could be a reason to not buy into it today, doesn't mean it won't be widespread in the life of the phone.
If you were in Switzerland now, how would you see things?
5G coverage will change radically and quickly. The same applies to China and South Korea and a lot of other places. Coverage in Spain, for example, will balloon early next year as all the major carriers go live. That all translates into a major issue if you are looking for an iPhone to take you through the next three years and you know 5G is coming to your area AND you know Apple itself will have a 5G phone (albeit with a QC modem) next September.