How Apple survived the flawgic-filled 2010s, butterflies and all

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  • Reply 21 of 41
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    kevin kee said:
    Excellent piece of Apple fanboy propaganda.
    No reason for this overly long article to exist. Terrible headings, over-dramatizing facts, handpicking random ingredients just to prove a point nobody is asking for. 

    (Saying this, owning over 7 Apple devices and being a satisfied customer)
    Yes, the reason for this long article exist. The reason is people like you.
    And note the standard tactic of listing the number of Apple devices he allegedly owns, as if this adds legitimacy to his bulls*t. Why do folk think that telling folk they own seven pairs of Apple Socks means we're more likely to believe them?
    lkruppwatto_cobra
  • Reply 22 of 41
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member

    dysamoria said:
    Yay. Yet Another [overlong] free propaganda piece for Apple.

    I’m not even going to try to read the whole thing. These are so tiresome. They’re more annoying than all the advertising “articles”.

    What exactly is DED’s investment in Apple that he’s constantly making these long, defensive, rambling editorials to protect (actually, shape) Apple’s image? Is it just emotional, or does it go deeper?

    My investment in Apple is in how I’ve converted all my computer productivity to Apple’s platform. It’s a legit consumer investment in hardware and workflow (time and money), where Apple doing right with their products is more important to me than their wealth and public image, by far.

    The only suffering I’m seeing of Apple’s public image is a very subtle and slow (and still far behind the full reality) degradation of image. Only someone who is emotionally invested in Apple’s image, and who is extremely insecure about that investment, should be bothered by the actual media output, because Apple should be getting worse publicity than it gets.

    The actual and very small (and slow to grow) PR injury being sustained is entirely self-inflicted. Apple have been doing worse with their software stability/reliability, availability of consistent raw power (and thermal design), and even their much talked about ease of use, since around 2013. “The media”, like most tech people and most users, is convinced that bugs are inevitable and ever present in software. “The media”, again, like most people, doesn’t know enough about user interface design or how users OUGHT to be treated to comment in an informed manner about Apple’s failures since 2013 (at best, there was a tiny flare up of reports of GUI expert designers explaining why they thought iOS 7 was a horrible redesign, and this had a net zero effect on Apple’s image in 99% of the minds who care about Apple in some form or other).

    I’m NOT getting my impression of Apple from some “problematic media”; I’m getting it first hand from experience with the product in place as my primary (and CHOSEN) platform (as well as witnessing Apple’s prior unwillingness to maintain its foothold in the professional market, which they’ve suddenly made extremely unbalanced efforts in with the bulk-potential-customer-dumping new target price for Mac Pro machines).

    If you think that anything is going wrong with some mass perception of Apple, you need only look to Apple (and these pro-Apple forums) to explain it. There’s only a tiny segment of Apple users who are consciously aware of the actual problems, and they’re not being poisoned by any rogue media efforts. Apple are doing it all on their own.
    Like DED's piece, a lot of words.
    Unlike DED's piece, not worth finishing.
    bestkeptsecretchiawatto_cobra
  • Reply 23 of 41
    In just a few weeks, a new decade of the 2020s will begin

    Technically, the new decade begins January 1, 2021 since there was no Year 0. But any 10 year period is a decade, so you're covered.  B)


    beowulfschmidtwatto_cobra
  • Reply 24 of 41
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member

    sjworld said:
    kevin kee said:
    Excellent piece of Apple fanboy propaganda.
    No reason for this overly long article to exist. Terrible headings, over-dramatizing facts, handpicking random ingredients just to prove a point nobody is asking for. 

    (Saying this, owning over 7 Apple devices and being a satisfied customer)
    Yes, the reason for this long article exist. The reason is people like you.
    All my devices are 
    Whatever.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 25 of 41
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member

    rain22 said:
    So pent up demand for new iMac's are being touted as people love the MacBook Pro keyboard? 
    lol

    iMacs doesn't need an apostrophe here, and no one believes you laughed out loud.
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 26 of 41
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member

    Excellent piece of Apple fanboy propaganda.
    No reason for this overly long article to exist. Terrible headings, over-dramatizing facts, handpicking random ingredients just to prove a point nobody is asking for. 

    (Saying this, owning over 7 Apple devices and being a satisfied customer)
    Every DED “editorial” follows a similar format. It’s usually just a long screed complaining about media coverage of Apple. He should go work for Donald Trump.
    Don't like it? Don't read it.


    watto_cobra
  • Reply 27 of 41
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    Another great piece DED, and I loved the bit about the target over Apple products! I wonder if someone was thinking that when they put the lights in.

    As usual, you summed up the last ten years in an entertaining piece of writing.

    The only think missing? You could have added a few predictions for the next big Apple failure.

    Apple TV+ seems to be a popular choice around here. Why? Because Apple won't make television programmes where women are rogered over medieval banquet tables in every episode. (It's almost as if it's the only bits of Game Of Thrones they actually remember)

    Oh, and because people who watch one television series, never watch another one that's completely different. Nope. Never.
    edited November 2019 watto_cobra
  • Reply 28 of 41
    sjworld said:
    kevin kee said:
    Excellent piece of Apple fanboy propaganda.
    No reason for this overly long article to exist. Terrible headings, over-dramatizing facts, handpicking random ingredients just to prove a point nobody is asking for. 

    (Saying this, owning over 7 Apple devices and being a satisfied customer)
    Yes, the reason for this long article exist. The reason is people like you.
    All my devices are Apple (except for the one gaming rig that needs Windows)...and I think the this article was unnecessary. He's just ranting about everything we already know about the media and how it speaks of Apple. Whoop-de-doo!
    Your comment is equally unnecessary. You’re just ranting about not liking his editorial. Whoop-de-doo. The article was interesting, your registration of your disinterest was not. 
    chiawatto_cobrakudu
  • Reply 29 of 41

    Another nice read on AI. I think it's time DED considered writing a book about Apple.

    watto_cobragodofbiscuitskudu
  • Reply 30 of 41
    plype11 said:
    Sounds like our POTUS vs. the media. 
    In his analogy, Apple is POTUS, the fake news media is the media, and DED is Fox News
    dysamoriaentropys
  • Reply 31 of 41
    Excellent piece of Apple fanboy propaganda.
    No reason for this overly long article to exist. Terrible headings, over-dramatizing facts, handpicking random ingredients just to prove a point nobody is asking for. 

    (Saying this, owning over 7 Apple devices and being a satisfied customer)


    Hey, I enjoyed reading it, so there is some justification for the piece to exist.

    The thing is that if you can justify voicing your displeasure about this article existing, then DED has enough justification for the article to exist. It's kind of dumb to talk about some words existing if your words themselves are questionable.

    There is also the fact that the  Apple Derangement Syndrome is in full display on the AI forums.


    cat52watto_cobrakudu
  • Reply 32 of 41
    Thank you Daniel Eran Dilger for an excellent article! I've been wishing for someone, anyone in the media to point out, and call out all those bi-polar Bloggers and Apple Nags you mentioned, some of whom I've written Nasty Tweets and Emails to time after time when they spew their Fake News and Demented Opinions.

    Thank you also for backing up your editorial with so many facts and figures, like the $7 Billion dollar Lie. Some of your facts I hadn't known or realized myself. 

    Well done, well written, and am convinced this new decade is off to Bangin’ start with this new 16" MacBook Pro along with the new iPhone & iPad Lineups, and hopefully a  successful Mac Pro. While some lot of the criticisms Apple has received hasn't been fair, what hasn't killed them has only made them stronger!

    Thanks Again,
    Robert Patrick Hartle
    Syracuse, New York
    lkruppchiawatto_cobrakudu
  • Reply 33 of 41
    cat52 said: It's almost as if the press have an axe to grind and aren't the objective arbiters of truth which they claim they are...  But nah, couldn't be.
    News media involves both objective news reporting and subjective opinion. Subjective opinion is where the various pundits, talking heads, bloggers, and tweeters come in. This article is essentially providing a comparison/contrast between objective news reporting of Apple (the facts of how its products have performed during the decade) versus the subjective opinions that tried to predict what would happen. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 34 of 41
    Surely, if any customers were listening to these grave depictions of Apple's butterfly keyboards being terrible to the point of dysfunctional,

    From my point of view, the problem with the 2016-2019 MacBook Pro keyboard is not that it's defective.  Every key press on my keyboard has registered correctly.

    The problem with the keyboard is that it's incredibly unpleasant (and I would argue, inefficient) to type on.   This is especially a problem for people who need to type a lot on a given day:

    1. Programmers
    2. Journalists
    3. Bloggers
    4. Authors
    5. Transcriptionists
    6. Technical writers
    7. etc
    Edit:  Grammar fix
    edited November 2019 muthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 35 of 41
    The problem you are facing is the lack of solid information on the keyboard mess from the repair community. Your data point is not factual given what the independent repair community has seen. Was it doom and gloom, No! The failure was focused on given keys, both excessive hits and the temp of the keys was the root issue. So a heavy typist is more likely to hit this problem than someone who is a light typist.

    Clearly, Apple has a hit given the systems size of the 2016 > 2019 15" models. But, they still had a problem! The system was trying to be a solution to both the general use business & advanced amateur market and the high end amateur & heavy pro market. The heavy pro's pushed the system beyond what it could achieve! The thermals and battery were the systems weakness. Even with the new 16" model the CPU is still constrained thermally! Just a lot better headroom with the better cooling.

    The new keyboard is better from a design perspective given the butterflies failings with heavy typist and personally I prefer the quieter design.
    edited November 2019
  • Reply 36 of 41
    razorpit said:
    Still wish modern laptops had a MagSafe and Thunderbolt 3. Nothing does a better job of providing  “device safety” than MagSafe.
    I agree. I haven't come across a better charger connector than MagSafe, I still have the original charger for my 2012 MacBook Pro without frayed cables. I never experienced the problems that others did. Now if Apple started making all their cables with braiding on the outside.....
    The flimsiest cable I ever bought was one of those supposedly tough graded cables. It was nothing more than a gimmick. I read (here I think) that the TB/USB cables used on the MBP have less tension that Magpro connectors, so less likely to pull a laptop off the table. I travel all the time and got a Kensington MagSafe cable and don't even bother bringing it along (it sticks out way too far).
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 37 of 41
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,486member
    rcomeau said:
    razorpit said:
    Still wish modern laptops had a MagSafe and Thunderbolt 3. Nothing does a better job of providing  “device safety” than MagSafe.
    I agree. I haven't come across a better charger connector than MagSafe, I still have the original charger for my 2012 MacBook Pro without frayed cables. I never experienced the problems that others did. Now if Apple started making all their cables with braiding on the outside.....
    The flimsiest cable I ever bought was one of those supposedly tough graded cables. It was nothing more than a gimmick. I read (here I think) that the TB/USB cables used on the MBP have less tension that Magpro connectors, so less likely to pull a laptop off the table. I travel all the time and got a Kensington MagSafe cable and don't even bother bringing it along (it sticks out way too far).
    I totally agree. I’ve made high density (>30 pairs in a single connector) cables for military use and all of the stuff that matters is on the inside of the connector, not the jacket/sheath. It was common to have metal braided sheaths/shielding over top of the plastic cables for EMI reasons. I guess consumer grade cables try to emulate the same overall appearance to imply robustness. 

    It’s actually kind of funny because electrical cords on appliances, tools, televisions, and radios back in the old days often had braided cords. They would often fray and the conductors pop through the sheathing. Electrical equipment manufacturers moving to molded cords, ideally with some sort of strain relief, was a massive improvement.

    I’m not saying that braided sheathing on cables is a bad thing, I’m just saying that if it’s just there for cosmetic appeal I wouldn’t consider it to be a sign of superior construction. Stick with the brands that have a proven track record with building good quality cables and connectors. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 38 of 41
    1348513485 Posts: 357member
    dewme said:

    It’s actually kind of funny because electrical cords on appliances, tools, televisions, and radios back in the old days often had braided cords. They would often fray and the conductors pop through the sheathing. Electrical equipment manufacturers moving to molded cords, ideally with some sort of strain relief, was a massive improvement.

    True, and not only that, the "insulation" was often paper. 
    watto_cobra
  • Reply 39 of 41
    ‘How I Left Tabloids for AppleInsider: They Just Wouldn’t Give up Trying to B.S. me’
    edited November 2019
  • Reply 40 of 41
    The Owen Williams comment ALONE.  My god. Sublime. 
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