Tim Cook donates $2M to unnamed charity

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  • Reply 21 of 25
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,961member
    lkrupp said:
    I don’t see how this is my business... it’s a personal donation.
    It’s socialism's business because wealthy people never donate enough to suit them.  Jony Ive donated $100 grand to plant tress and was castigated for it by the internet. Elizabeth Warren’s “I hate billionaires” movement has many followers. 
    Holy strawman arguments. You have a lot of made-up stuff swirling in your head. Talk radio baaaad. 
    davgregOferfastasleep
  • Reply 22 of 25
    StrangeDaysStrangeDays Posts: 12,961member

    fastasleep said:
    mr lizard said:
    Perhaps it was to the children in the cobalt mines? 

    Apple investigated, stating that it has a zero-tolerance policy toward the use of child labor anywhere in its supply chain.

    When a supplier is found to be violating child labor laws, Apple forces it to perform the following tasks:

    • fund the worker’s safe return home
    • finance the worker’s education at a school chosen by the worker or his/her family
    • continue to pay the worker’s wages
    • offer him or her a job when he or she reaches legal age to work
    Get familiar with the concept of middlemen and its untraceable hierarchies around the Bangka Island mines.
    They are actively working on reducing these problems to the best of their abilities. Go read their 2019 environmental responsibility progress report, this is literally a priority. 

    So tell me how they beat the concept of staggered middlemen who hide misheap the world shouldn’t see.
    You can’t deplete the planet’s lithium, cobalt and tin resources and simultaneously have a “better planet” as a priority - which then is a lower priority, apparently
    Never mind, dupable followers will always believe the multinational companies‘ half-truths
    You have better technology to meet the goals of current computing paradigms that don't use any of these materials? You don't "beat the concept", you work with what you have and improve on it as you're able to do so, which by all indicators is what they're doing. For example, beginning to use recycled cobalt, increasing use of 100% recycled tin, using new recycled aluminum enclosures, partnering with experts and academia to expand these kinds of endeavors. 

    Have you read this?
    https://www.apple.com/environment/pdf/Apple_Material_Impact_Profiles_April2019.pdf

    "With a list of priority materials on which to focus first, we created material-specific working groups and have active projects in aluminum, cobalt, copper, glass, gold, lithium, paper, plastics, rare earth elements (neodymium, praseodymium, dysprosium), steel, tantalum, tin, tungsten, and zinc. Each working group consists of experts from our engineering, procurement, operations, supplier responsibility, and environmental teams, and is tasked with developing a deeper understanding of Apple’s specific materials supply chain and closing the loop for the particular material. And as we strive to source increasing amounts of recycled materials, we will continue to ensure that these materials are processed in a way that meets our requirements and protects the rights of all people in our supply chain."

    The whole report is fascinating. They're figuring it out as they go, as best they can. The whole parent report covers even more. Who else does this? 

    https://www.apple.com/environment/pdf/Apple_Environmental_Responsibility_Report_2019.pdf

    If you're just going to be like, "electronics bad because mining" then we can probably end this conversation here. 

    Agreed, who else is tackling these issues like Apple? None that I know of. And yet the anti-Apple brigade conveniently omits every single other brand which all use and buy the same exact materials.  
    fastasleep
  • Reply 23 of 25
    davgregdavgreg Posts: 1,039member
    lkrupp said:
    It’s socialism's business because wealthy people never donate enough to suit them.  Jony Ive donated $100 grand to plant tress and was castigated for it by the internet. Elizabeth Warren’s “I hate billionaires” movement has many followers. 
    Ms Warren is not a socialist and she does not head a movement that hates Billionaires. I suggest you break out your old college books and read up on socialism.

    I am not supporting Ms. Warren for President, but she wants a more equitable tax system - so does Warren Buffet who is by no means a socialist. Those who make their income via investment pay lower taxes than those who do so by salary or wages.

    Mr. Buffet, a large Apple shareholder, has said that he pays taxes at a lower rate than his secretary.
    Oferfastasleep
  • Reply 24 of 25
    If he didn't donate to Prem Rawat or the Prem Rawat Foundation, he blew it
  • Reply 25 of 25
    davgreg said:
    lkrupp said:
    It’s socialism's business because wealthy people never donate enough to suit them.  Jony Ive donated $100 grand to plant tress and was castigated for it by the internet. Elizabeth Warren’s “I hate billionaires” movement has many followers. 
    Ms Warren is not a socialist and she does not head a movement that hates Billionaires. I suggest you break out your old college books and read up on socialism.

    I am not supporting Ms. Warren for President, but she wants a more equitable tax system - so does Warren Buffet who is by no means a socialist. Those who make their income via investment pay lower taxes than those who do so by salary or wages.

    Mr. Buffet, a large Apple shareholder, has said that he pays taxes at a lower rate than his secretary.
    She may not head it, but she is certainly a member of the "I may not hate Billionaires, but I want you to, and want you to give me the power to (at least try to) take their money." movement.  Wealth is all relative.  The two Steves started in a garage, and through their hard work, providing a product that people wanted, became wealthy.  I graduated high school while living in a 225 sq ft cabin in East San Diego County, and worked to become an engineer and live quite nicely, but I make sure to make at least 10x my income in value to the company I work for, so I make it a foolish thing for them to consider firing me.

    Anyone that grouses that they pay a lower tax than someone else and thinks it is unfair can simply put their money where there mouth is and go here:

    Until they do that, I really don't listen to them or give credence to their opinion, because we all do the same thing:  Try to pay as little to the US government as possible.  What they're really saying is they want me to pay more taxes, and won't pay any more until everyone is forced to, which I read somewhere is what true leadership is all about..
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