TSMC denies short term plans for US-based chip production

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Apple chip fabricator TSMC has put a stop to speculation it will start manufacturing processors and other components within the United States in the short term, but leaves open the possibility for the future.




The US government is reportedly applying pressure on TSMC to produce some of its processors within the United States. The urging is in relation to its manufacturing of specific chips that are used by the US military, such as in F-35 fighter jets and satellites, with the US government wanting to bring the production of the sensitive parts within its borders.

The TSMC has responded by claiming it has no-such plans in the short term to shift production of the high-security chips and other components to the United States, reports DigiTimes. At the same time, TSMC is still leaving the door open to the idea, with its feasibility for the future under evaluation by the firm.

The urging stems from the US government's fear military secrets relating to the chips could leak from the Taiwan-based chip foundry, due to its close proximity to China, as well as its supplies of components to that country's firms and military. A senior Taiwanese government official brief on the affair told Nikkei Asian Review "The US government wants chips that go into military projects to be built on American soil. That's for national security concerns, and they don't plan to back off on that."

Taiwan's Institute for National Defense and Security Research Su Tze-yun revealed "We've noticed that many U.S tech executives and government officials are concerned about their country's dependence on TSMC, and the security of their defense industry supply chains. That's why the US constantly hopes that TSMC could stand with them to make chips somewhere else other than just Taiwan, which they think is not completely safe because China has not ruled out the possibility of taking control of the island by force."

While the reporting relates to high security chips, TSMC would have to establish a foundry within the United States to perform such production, if it were to give in to government demands. Doing so would be a high-cost affair, which could require TSMC to perform other types of manufacturing there, such as orders from its long list of consumer-oriented clients.

As a major client, this raises the prospect of Apple's A-series chips being made in the United States. Given earlier repeated calls by President Donald Trump for Apple to shift production of the iPhone to the United States, the production of chips would be one step in that direction.

However, due to the scale and geography of Apple's supply channels, it would in fact be one very small step.

Comments

  • Reply 1 of 12
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 7,668member
    Obviously there are parallels with the Huawei situation here but a different treatment is being applied.

    If a national security risk exists, the obvious solution is to get U.S companies to do the work on U.S soil or find a supplier without the associated risk. Samsung, intel?

    It could cost far more and take far longer but if the U.S government is easily spooked these days, it is the way to go.

    This isn't something that has come about overnight. If officials are worried to this extreme (it would take multi billion dollar investments to get TSMC up and running in the U.S) someone got their strategic planning wrong. Otherwise, this situation would never have existed in the first place.


    GeorgeBMac
  • Reply 2 of 12
    ivanhivanh Posts: 597member
    “T” in TSMC is Taiwan. Keeping chips manufactured in Taiwan is to keep the brand “Made in Taiwan”. Whichever nation refuses to recognise Taiwan as a nation will be banned from using chips from Taiwan is the best way to get Taiwan recognised back in the UN.  Thus, it’s not right to move TSMC to USA, or the brand will become USASMC, not TSMC and Taiwan will lose protection from USA.

    Every Taiwanese should have a clear vision now by learning from Hong Kong. Manu products “Made in Hong Kong” have become “Made in China”. 
  • Reply 3 of 12
    ronnronn Posts: 653member
    With so much bloat/waste/corruption in the Defense industries and budget, the US Government should 100% bankroll a foundry immediately. If there are true concerns, it should've happened yesterday.
    redgeminipawatto_cobra
  • Reply 4 of 12
    dewmedewme Posts: 5,362member
    ronn said:
    With so much bloat/waste/corruption in the Defense industries and budget, the US Government should 100% bankroll a foundry immediately. If there are true concerns, it should've happened yesterday.
    At some level you have a valid argument that the US is losing some core competencies that it would be very hard pressed to put into service if a major crisis developed that cut off the production capabilities that have been outsourced to other countries. However, I don't believe it is driven by the military-industrial complex, it's more related to the flavor of capitalism that's emerged in the US where capital is primarily reinvested in generating more capital rather than driving innovation. I believe that the current approach makes the US very vulnerable and leaves it with fewer options to take should a major crisis arise. When you look at countries like South Korea and Mexico you see that one country, South Korea, focused very heavily on building out its organic manufacturing capabilities before it became a global manufacturing supplier for other countries, while the other country, Mexico, settled into being a source of cheap manufacturing labor to serve the needs of other countries. Compare the standard of living that resulted from the different approaches. The US has been losing its organic manufacturing capabilities for decades, but it has so much clout from a wealth and military perspective that it can coerce emerging economies to serve its needs, but only for as long as there is no other global power that's offering a better arrangement.

    You can probably guess who that other global power is. 
    GeorgeBMacwatto_cobra
  • Reply 5 of 12
    wizard69wizard69 Posts: 13,377member
    The sad thing here is that this is the direct result of years of government policy that sent manufacturing to China.   Thus leading to the destruction of the working class in America.  

    It is good to see Trump trying to correct some of this madness!   However the best way has yet to be attempted and that is to attack the companies that jumped ship.    By that I mean focused taxes on the company and senior staff running the company.  

    Apple is just as guilty as many other companies as they went to cheap labor never attempting to pass on-the savings.    The move to China is all about greed and undermining the welfare of those the power elite don’t like.  
  • Reply 6 of 12
    China had threatened invading Taiwan for as long as I can remember.  I'm sure Taiwanese government is strategically using a company like TSMC to encourage U.S. protection.  According to Wikipedia, TSMC does own a US Foundry and employs 1100 people in the US.
    edited January 2020 watto_cobra
  • Reply 7 of 12
    As important as the chips are for national security, it’s insane that they’d ever be allowed to have their IP into some place directly by threat of an adversarial country, no matter how good the price: that’s strategic suicide to do that, even if they don’t capture the IP, because if things don’t remain peaceful, this works out badly.

    Let there be no mistake: the government of China is NOT a friend of the US, and they’ve made it clear that Taiwan is theirs and will be reclaimed by them in a manner they see fit.
    ronnwatto_cobra
  • Reply 8 of 12
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    avon b7 said:
    Obviously there are parallels with the Huawei situation here but a different treatment is being applied.

    If a national security risk exists, the obvious solution is to get U.S companies to do the work on U.S soil or find a supplier without the associated risk. Samsung, intel?

    It could cost far more and take far longer but if the U.S government is easily spooked these days, it is the way to go.

    This isn't something that has come about overnight. If officials are worried to this extreme (it would take multi billion dollar investments to get TSMC up and running in the U.S) someone got their strategic planning wrong. Otherwise, this situation would never have existed in the first place.



    From Huawei to TSMC the entire debacle is based on evidence free racism and xenophobic fear-mongering.  Essentially, it's a cold war mentality where there is no cold war except in the minds of certain paranoid crazies and extremists all fueled by far right media that lives off of hate and fear.

    What was a friend in one administration becomes an enemy of the next.
    And, what was an enemy in one administration becomes a friend in the next.

    Somewhere there is truth and fact based decision making.   But not here.
    redgeminipamuthuk_vanalingam
  • Reply 9 of 12
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    ivanh said:
    “T” in TSMC is Taiwan. Keeping chips manufactured in Taiwan is to keep the brand “Made in Taiwan”. Whichever nation refuses to recognise Taiwan as a nation will be banned from using chips from Taiwan is the best way to get Taiwan recognised back in the UN.  Thus, it’s not right to move TSMC to USA, or the brand will become USASMC, not TSMC and Taiwan will lose protection from USA.

    Every Taiwanese should have a clear vision now by learning from Hong Kong. Manu products “Made in Hong Kong” have become “Made in China”. 

    Taiwan is a renegade part of China.   They can reclaim it anytime they want.  Except for a few crazies and hardliners, the world has always recognized that. 
  • Reply 10 of 12
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    ronn said:
    With so much bloat/waste/corruption in the Defense industries and budget, the US Government should 100% bankroll a foundry immediately. If there are true concerns, it should've happened yesterday.

    That ship sailed decades ago -- both figuratively and physically.

    50 years ago we produced the steel to manufacture our tanks, ships, aircraft and the like.   We let Japan take that over in the 80's and 90's.   So why are we concerned about a few chips now?

    We won WW-II mostly based on our industrial capacity:  When Japan blew up most of our Pacific Fleet it was quickly rebuilt -- even while we supplied Europe in their fight with Nazis.   We could even begin to do that today.
  • Reply 11 of 12
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    wizard69 said:
    The sad thing here is that this is the direct result of years of government policy that sent manufacturing to China.   Thus leading to the destruction of the working class in America.  

    It is good to see Trump trying to correct some of this madness!   However the best way has yet to be attempted and that is to attack the companies that jumped ship.    By that I mean focused taxes on the company and senior staff running the company.  

    Apple is just as guilty as many other companies as they went to cheap labor never attempting to pass on-the savings.    The move to China is all about greed and undermining the welfare of those the power elite don’t like.  

    What government policy?   There was none that drove production off-shore.
    Instead American capitalists got beat at their own game by other countries who made the same product better, cheaper and faster.  American steel was running 100 year old factories and paying blue and white collar employees extravagant wages and benefits -- while American auto makers were producing high priced junk -- and American electronics simply got washed away by better, cheaper products from Japan.
    The result, the response, was globalization (not the cause as some right wingers try to claim).

    Trump has done zero to change that equation.   His chest thumping has been ineffective (actually destructive to many in the U.S.) while China simply stood their ground till he caved.

    We lost our industrial might because we lost our position as the lowest cost, highest quality producer.   That's how capitalism works:  to the winners go the spoils.   Until or unless we can return to being the lowest cost & highest quality producers nothing will change.
    muthuk_vanalingambadmonk
  • Reply 12 of 12
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    As important as the chips are for national security, it’s insane that they’d ever be allowed to have their IP into some place directly by threat of an adversarial country, no matter how good the price: that’s strategic suicide to do that, even if they don’t capture the IP, because if things don’t remain peaceful, this works out badly.

    Let there be no mistake: the government of China is NOT a friend of the US, and they’ve made it clear that Taiwan is theirs and will be reclaimed by them in a manner they see fit.

    We outsourced the industrial capacity we needed to maintain a military decades ago -- worrying about a few chips is silly.

    There is no evidence (just a lot of politically motivated rhetoric) that China is an enemy of the U.S. (Russia is -- and is even actively attacking us -- but we ignore that threat!).
    And, yes, Taiwan is theirs -- the world has recognized that for decades now.
    badmonk
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