Google developing all-in-one messaging app for businesses

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  • Reply 21 of 30
    dewmedewme Posts: 6,086member
    sree said:
    Slack is anyway dying, slowly being killed by microsoft teams. Microsoft has overtaken them in 2 yrs flat. 
    Sad but probably true. Corporations have a particular fondness for bloatware, more pounds of features per subscription dollar and one big PO to get approved from an already entrenched vendor, so current subscribers to the big Office 365 bundles will naturally gravitate to Microsoft’s Slack knock-off. 

    One thing I particularly liked about Slack is that it was typically one level removed from the company IT Police so teams could keep a lot more searchable archival data and information around for longer without fear of the Data Retention Policy Enforcers swooping in and culling out large and older content with impunity. If Slack was integrated in the Office 365 bloatware suite I’m sure the DRO Enforcers would treat its content no differently than other Office 365 generated content. 
    edited January 2020
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  • Reply 22 of 30
    mjtomlinmjtomlin Posts: 2,699member
    danvm said:
    MacPro said:
    And Google will parse all the information and monetize it somehow.  Leopards don't change their spots.  Who on earth in business with a brain would trust Google?
    Looks like Apple trust Google enough receive from them between $9B and $12B to make Google Search the default search engine in Safari.  Based in your post, you don't think Apple have brains, right?

    Not the same thing. Apple allowing Google to have the default search engine in Safari (that users can easily switch away from), is not the same thing as Apple using Google's services for corporate communications.

    The fact is, a majority of people would prefer and do choose to use Google's search. Apple is just being shrewd by taking Google's money and offering what would more than likely be a majority of their users preferred search engine anyway.



    danvm said:

    ...wouldn't be better if Apple made Duck Duck Go (and even invest or acquire them) their default search engine instead of making business with Google?

    It would be great if Apple bought Duck Duck Go and made sure they remained as they are, rather being bought out by one of the other search engines. And it would be great if Apple did decide to make it the default search engine. But again, most prefer Google search, for better or worse.
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  • Reply 23 of 30
    danvmdanvm Posts: 1,506member
    mjtomlin said:
    danvm said:
    MacPro said:
    And Google will parse all the information and monetize it somehow.  Leopards don't change their spots.  Who on earth in business with a brain would trust Google?
    Looks like Apple trust Google enough receive from them between $9B and $12B to make Google Search the default search engine in Safari.  Based in your post, you don't think Apple have brains, right?

    Not the same thing. Apple allowing Google to have the default search engine in Safari (that users can easily switch away from), is not the same thing as Apple using Google's services for corporate communications.

    The fact is, a majority of people would prefer and do choose to use Google's search. Apple is just being shrewd by taking Google's money and offering what would more than likely be a majority of their users preferred search engine anyway.



    danvm said:

    ...wouldn't be better if Apple made Duck Duck Go (and even invest or acquire them) their default search engine instead of making business with Google?

    It would be great if Apple bought Duck Duck Go and made sure they remained as they are, rather being bought out by one of the other search engines. And it would be great if Apple did decide to make it the default search engine. But again, most prefer Google search, for better or worse.
    My point is not about users changing the default search engine, but about Apple privacy stance.  Making a $9B - $12B deal to make Google Search the default search engine is not a strong move for company the takes pride of their privacy policy.  Again, why not support / invest /acquire the small, privacy-focused search engine?  I think it would be better.  

    And I agree with you, most people would still move to Google Search, considering it has better results (IMO).  But at least make a move that supports your privacy stance.
    GG1
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  • Reply 24 of 30
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    gatorguy said:
    MacPro said:
    And Google will parse all the information and monetize it somehow.  Leopards don't change their spots.  Who on earth in business with a brain would trust Google?
    It's most likely part of a PAID service. Therefor no ad monetizing.
    Most likely? And you think they’ll simply just ... refrain from doing the same usual thing that is their entire business model?

    ha ha ha ha ha
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  • Reply 25 of 30
    dysamoriadysamoria Posts: 3,430member
    How many “tools” has Google presented and then abandoned so far?

    Again: ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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  • Reply 26 of 30
    gatorguygatorguy Posts: 24,766member
    dysamoria said:
    gatorguy said:
    MacPro said:
    And Google will parse all the information and monetize it somehow.  Leopards don't change their spots.  Who on earth in business with a brain would trust Google?
    It's most likely part of a PAID service. Therefor no ad monetizing.
    Most likely? And you think they’ll simply just ... refrain from doing the same usual thing that is their entire business model?

    ha ha ha ha ha
    Yes, I do. Google's business services, G-Suite, is not ad-supported nor is user data used for building ad profiles. It's a PAID service which is how Google makes its money from it and contracted by companies from Salesforce and Hitachi to Colgate-Palmolive and Whirlpool. 
    https://gsuite.google.com/customers/  

    Ad monetization is used when you aren't willing to spend your own cash for the service but want to use it anyway (with the exception of free GMail which is not ad monetized for probably PR/goodwill reasons). Do you not ever read anything beyond what you find on an Apple fan blog? You really should before commenting. You come off sounding less knowledgeable when you don't. 

    I'll do you a favor and throw you a link. Won't take 3 minutes to read if that. 
    https://gsuite.google.com/security/?secure-by-design_activeEl=data-centers
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  • Reply 27 of 30
    mattinozmattinoz Posts: 2,679member
    chasm said:
    Yes! Share your sensitive business conversations with Google! That won't have any negative repercussions! **LOL**

    You might get buyout offers from Alphabet before you even get to Alpha either that or patent infringements. maybe both

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  • Reply 28 of 30
    MacPromacpro Posts: 19,873member
    gatorguy said:
    MacPro said:
    And Google will parse all the information and monetize it somehow.  Leopards don't change their spots.  Who on earth in business with a brain would trust Google?
    It's most likely part of a PAID service. Therefor no ad monetizing.
    I still would not trust them.
    edited January 2020
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  • Reply 29 of 30
    MacPromacpro Posts: 19,873member

    danvm said:
    jcs2305 said:
    danvm said:
    MacPro said:
    And Google will parse all the information and monetize it somehow.  Leopards don't change their spots.  Who on earth in business with a brain would trust Google?
    Looks like Apple trust Google enough receive from them between $9B and $12B to make Google Search the default search engine in Safari.  Based in your post, you don't think Apple have brains, right?

    I somewhat agree.. but Google being the default search engine doesn't mean it's the only one available to use. I have used Duck Duck Go with Safari for years now on my personal IOS devices and Macs, as well as my woke supplied Windows machine using Firefox as the browser.


    We are not talking about changing the default search engine.  @MacPro asked who, with a brain, would trust Google.  Obviously Apple trust them, considering the huge amount of money they accept to make their search engine the default in Safari.  As you said, you can go with something with a better privacy reputation, like Duck Duck Go.  But, wouldn't be better if Apple made Duck Duck Go (and even invest or acquire them) their default search engine instead of making business with Google?
    So, trust and verify?  ;)
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  • Reply 30 of 30
    MacPromacpro Posts: 19,873member

    gatorguy said:
    gatorguy said:
    most likely
    therefore
    Those two don't really go together, no matter how much you want them to appear to.
    Thanks. I've been out of school for a lot of years and the internet has poisoned my correct use of the written word just as it has most of us.  Thank goodness we have people like you willing to police and correct us as needed. 

    EDIT: Therefore instead of therefor. Thanks. It should have ended in an E for it to be proper. I was not aware those were different words with different meanings.
    I can hardly write anymore i've used a keyboard for so long.  I'm down to my signature and that's getting harder since I haven't had a check book in years lol.  Meanwhile Grammarly is your frend [SIC]. ;)
    edited January 2020
    watto_cobra
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