US backs EU's call for a global digital tax deal

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  • Reply 21 of 35
    entropysentropys Posts: 4,478member
    Aren't most of the companies affected by this global tax based in America? That gives America a special role in this issue.
    And the reason the are Politicians pushing this, as they don’t want to affect their own donors. In fact, they want to give them a leg up against those nasty yankee competitors.
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  • Reply 22 of 35
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    avon b7 said:
    NinjaMan said:
    avon b7 said:
    Huh?  Every country has to agree on "one overall deal" or the U.S. will block it with tariffs?

    So, the U.S. can do whatever it wants, anyway it wants, whenever it wants.   But, with businesses operating in each of their countries, the rest of the world has to march in lockstep (and probably to Mnuchin's drum?).

    The arrogance is staggering!
    It is part of the 'you can play, but America must win' approach.

    We'll have to see how things pan out but the U.S has a lot more to lose than win by rocking the boat so much.

    The arrogance is not lost on foreign leaders who will simply have to adapt to possible tariffs, enter tit-for-tat mode or take trade elsewhere. 

    Now, with every tweet and threat, I feel we are closer to someone calling the U.S bluff. If the Chinese were to dump Boeing and go Airbus to a larger degree than it is, that would put the cat among the pigeons and Trump would only have himself to blame. Of course, taking all that business to the EU would come at a price because the deal world have to swing both ways.

    To be honest, I think most foreign leaders now see Trump as the 'outgoing' president and are banking on any successor having to bend over backwards to repair the incredible damage done on just about every level to international relations.
    facts...just look at all of the people today that came out in India to rally against Trump...oh, wait it was in support of Trump, my bad. Then there's China who wants absolutely nothing to do with Trump and will never agree to work with the US so long as he's President...oh wait, China just signed a new trade agreement with the US, my bad. Ahh, the Middle East they just, oh wait there's a new Afgan agreement on the table and new peace agreement on the table between Isreal and Palestine. So exactly who are these foreign leaders who see Trump as the 'outgoing' President and who are they seeing as the more suitable replacement?   
    Modi, like everyone else has to walk a thin line with Trump. Did you notice the distinct lack of any U.S/India trade deal? Did you notice that the U.S/China trade deal is anything but a trade deal as it stands? We have something called 'Phase One' and few people even know what it actually represents. At best it is a stop gap. More telling is that 'Phase Two' is scheduled for after the U.S elections.

    As for who sees Trump as the 'outgoing' president, I'd wager big money on just about every leader. I'm including Boris Johnson in this group too. For a more suitable replacement, let's say practically anybody.

    Phase One represents a few things:   Aside from the the fact that Trump, with an election looming, backed down from his grandiose promises to put China under his thumb, it meant that:

    Essentially, Trump got what he really wanted (access for his Wall Street buddies to China) and China got what it wanted (it was done under their terms and their control).   Basically the "bring back jobs" thing was always just another Trump scam.  Does anyone actually believe that Trump & Mnuchin care about American workers?  Like his tax scam, the China scam benefited the fat cats.

    Will Trump be re-elected?   Remember that he got elected the first time by cheating.  And new evidence keeps popping up that he is still cheating.  It's hard to count our future dictator out. 
    edited February 2020
    spheric
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  • Reply 23 of 35
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    lkrupp said:
    lkrupp said:
    Huh?  Every country has to agree on "one overall deal" or the U.S. will block it with tariffs?

    So, the U.S. can do whatever it wants, anyway it wants, whenever it wants.   But, with businesses operating in each of their countries, the rest of the world has to march in lockstep (and probably to Mnuchin's drum?).

    The arrogance is staggering!
    Maybe, if you're a one-world-government globalist, you find this arrogant. Most Americans will not. I know the left is trying mightily to end capitalism, nationalism, patriotism, and any other ideology that supports pride in one's nation and its achievements. The fact of the matter is that Europe still suckles at the teat of American capitalism. Their entire economies depend on the U.S. buying their products and supplying them with military security. Without our military presence and guarantees Europe would descend into the same conditions that resulted two world wars in the twentieth century. There's no reason to claim they wouldn't do it again because they are now "unified". 

    Yeh, if you believe right wing propaganda.
    Well, you believe left wing propaganda so what's the problem?

    To the right, anything not far right is far left - including the truth.  And, anybody who believes it is an infidel.
    sphericmuthuk_vanalingam
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  • Reply 24 of 35
    avon b7 said:
    NinjaMan said:
    avon b7 said:
    Huh?  Every country has to agree on "one overall deal" or the U.S. will block it with tariffs?

    So, the U.S. can do whatever it wants, anyway it wants, whenever it wants.   But, with businesses operating in each of their countries, the rest of the world has to march in lockstep (and probably to Mnuchin's drum?).

    The arrogance is staggering!
    It is part of the 'you can play, but America must win' approach.

    We'll have to see how things pan out but the U.S has a lot more to lose than win by rocking the boat so much.

    The arrogance is not lost on foreign leaders who will simply have to adapt to possible tariffs, enter tit-for-tat mode or take trade elsewhere. 

    Now, with every tweet and threat, I feel we are closer to someone calling the U.S bluff. If the Chinese were to dump Boeing and go Airbus to a larger degree than it is, that would put the cat among the pigeons and Trump would only have himself to blame. Of course, taking all that business to the EU would come at a price because the deal world have to swing both ways.

    To be honest, I think most foreign leaders now see Trump as the 'outgoing' president and are banking on any successor having to bend over backwards to repair the incredible damage done on just about every level to international relations.
    facts...just look at all of the people today that came out in India to rally against Trump...oh, wait it was in support of Trump, my bad. Then there's China who wants absolutely nothing to do with Trump and will never agree to work with the US so long as he's President...oh wait, China just signed a new trade agreement with the US, my bad. Ahh, the Middle East they just, oh wait there's a new Afgan agreement on the table and new peace agreement on the table between Isreal and Palestine. So exactly who are these foreign leaders who see Trump as the 'outgoing' President and who are they seeing as the more suitable replacement?   
    Modi, like everyone else has to walk a thin line with Trump. Did you notice the distinct lack of any U.S/India trade deal? Did you notice that the U.S/China trade deal is anything but a trade deal as it stands? We have something called 'Phase One' and few people even know what it actually represents. At best it is a stop gap. More telling is that 'Phase Two' is scheduled for after the U.S elections.

    As for who sees Trump as the 'outgoing' president, I'd wager big money on just about every leader. I'm including Boris Johnson in this group too. For a more suitable replacement, let's say practically anybody.

    Phase One represents a few things:   Aside from the the fact that Trump, with an election looming, backed down from his grandiose promises to put China under his thumb, it meant that:

    Essentially, Trump got what he really wanted (access for his Wall Street buddies to China) and China got what it wanted (it was done under their terms and their control).   Basically the "bring back jobs" thing was always just another Trump scam.  Does anyone actually believe that Trump & Mnuchin care about American workers?  Like his tax scam, the China scam benefited the fat cats.

    Will Trump be re-elected?   Remember that he got elected the first time by cheating.  And new evidence keeps popping up that he is still cheating.  It's hard to count our future dictator out. 
    please produce one piece of real evidence that showed he cheated? Is it the fake dossier? Should we talk about all of the legit cheating of the left like the sharing of debate questions ahead of the debate and the illegal phone taps and spying the left did on Trump's campaign?
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  • Reply 25 of 35
    avon b7 said:
    Huh?  Every country has to agree on "one overall deal" or the U.S. will block it with tariffs?

    So, the U.S. can do whatever it wants, anyway it wants, whenever it wants.   But, with businesses operating in each of their countries, the rest of the world has to march in lockstep (and probably to Mnuchin's drum?).

    The arrogance is staggering!
    It is part of the 'you can play, but America must win' approach.

    We'll have to see how things pan out but the U.S has a lot more to lose than win by rocking the boat so much.

    The arrogance is not lost on foreign leaders who will simply have to adapt to possible tariffs, enter tit-for-tat mode or take trade elsewhere. 

    Now, with every tweet and threat, I feel we are closer to someone calling the U.S bluff. If the Chinese were to dump Boeing and go Airbus to a larger degree than it is, that would put the cat among the pigeons and Trump would only have himself to blame. Of course, taking all that business to the EU would come at a price because the deal world have to swing both ways.

    To be honest, I think most foreign leaders now see Trump as the 'outgoing' president and are banking on any successor having to bend over backwards to repair the incredible damage done on just about every level to international relations.
    I’m sure the EU would love to lose presence in the largest economy in the world. Replace that with what exactly?

    That said, I do agree these companies should pay more in taxes. Too many US only firms paying 30% while Apple pays so little. 
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  • Reply 26 of 35

    To the right, anything not far right is far left - including the truth.  And, anybody who believes it is an infidel.
    To the left, anything not far left is far right - including the truth.  And, anybody who believes it is an infidel.

    That statement is exactly as true as yours is.
    NinjaMan
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  • Reply 27 of 35
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    NinjaMan said:
    avon b7 said:
    NinjaMan said:
    avon b7 said:
    Huh?  Every country has to agree on "one overall deal" or the U.S. will block it with tariffs?

    So, the U.S. can do whatever it wants, anyway it wants, whenever it wants.   But, with businesses operating in each of their countries, the rest of the world has to march in lockstep (and probably to Mnuchin's drum?).

    The arrogance is staggering!
    It is part of the 'you can play, but America must win' approach.

    We'll have to see how things pan out but the U.S has a lot more to lose than win by rocking the boat so much.

    The arrogance is not lost on foreign leaders who will simply have to adapt to possible tariffs, enter tit-for-tat mode or take trade elsewhere. 

    Now, with every tweet and threat, I feel we are closer to someone calling the U.S bluff. If the Chinese were to dump Boeing and go Airbus to a larger degree than it is, that would put the cat among the pigeons and Trump would only have himself to blame. Of course, taking all that business to the EU would come at a price because the deal world have to swing both ways.

    To be honest, I think most foreign leaders now see Trump as the 'outgoing' president and are banking on any successor having to bend over backwards to repair the incredible damage done on just about every level to international relations.
    facts...just look at all of the people today that came out in India to rally against Trump...oh, wait it was in support of Trump, my bad. Then there's China who wants absolutely nothing to do with Trump and will never agree to work with the US so long as he's President...oh wait, China just signed a new trade agreement with the US, my bad. Ahh, the Middle East they just, oh wait there's a new Afgan agreement on the table and new peace agreement on the table between Isreal and Palestine. So exactly who are these foreign leaders who see Trump as the 'outgoing' President and who are they seeing as the more suitable replacement?   
    Modi, like everyone else has to walk a thin line with Trump. Did you notice the distinct lack of any U.S/India trade deal? Did you notice that the U.S/China trade deal is anything but a trade deal as it stands? We have something called 'Phase One' and few people even know what it actually represents. At best it is a stop gap. More telling is that 'Phase Two' is scheduled for after the U.S elections.

    As for who sees Trump as the 'outgoing' president, I'd wager big money on just about every leader. I'm including Boris Johnson in this group too. For a more suitable replacement, let's say practically anybody.

    Phase One represents a few things:   Aside from the the fact that Trump, with an election looming, backed down from his grandiose promises to put China under his thumb, it meant that:

    Essentially, Trump got what he really wanted (access for his Wall Street buddies to China) and China got what it wanted (it was done under their terms and their control).   Basically the "bring back jobs" thing was always just another Trump scam.  Does anyone actually believe that Trump & Mnuchin care about American workers?  Like his tax scam, the China scam benefited the fat cats.

    Will Trump be re-elected?   Remember that he got elected the first time by cheating.  And new evidence keeps popping up that he is still cheating.  It's hard to count our future dictator out. 
    please produce one piece of real evidence that showed he cheated? Is it the fake dossier? Should we talk about all of the legit cheating of the left like the sharing of debate questions ahead of the debate and the illegal phone taps and spying the left did on Trump's campaign?

    Evidence?
    Sorry, but despite right wing claims and debunked conspiracy theories, every U.S. intelligence service concluded that our election was tampered with by Russia and Mueller not only confirmed that but confirmed that they did it with the full knowledge and encouragement of Trump.   Further, it came out last week that Russia's attacks continue while Trump does nothing to protect our country and elections from those attacks.    And, despite the fact that Trump was briefed on the latest attacks his response continues to be a big shrug and continued denials. 

    And why would he defend us against these attacks?  He cares nothing about the law, the Constitution or Democracy.  He only cares about winning.
    spheric
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  • Reply 28 of 35
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member
    seankill said:
    avon b7 said:
    Huh?  Every country has to agree on "one overall deal" or the U.S. will block it with tariffs?

    So, the U.S. can do whatever it wants, anyway it wants, whenever it wants.   But, with businesses operating in each of their countries, the rest of the world has to march in lockstep (and probably to Mnuchin's drum?).

    The arrogance is staggering!
    It is part of the 'you can play, but America must win' approach.

    We'll have to see how things pan out but the U.S has a lot more to lose than win by rocking the boat so much.

    The arrogance is not lost on foreign leaders who will simply have to adapt to possible tariffs, enter tit-for-tat mode or take trade elsewhere. 

    Now, with every tweet and threat, I feel we are closer to someone calling the U.S bluff. If the Chinese were to dump Boeing and go Airbus to a larger degree than it is, that would put the cat among the pigeons and Trump would only have himself to blame. Of course, taking all that business to the EU would come at a price because the deal world have to swing both ways.

    To be honest, I think most foreign leaders now see Trump as the 'outgoing' president and are banking on any successor having to bend over backwards to repair the incredible damage done on just about every level to international relations.
    I’m sure the EU would love to lose presence in the largest economy in the world. Replace that with what exactly?

    That said, I do agree these companies should pay more in taxes. Too many US only firms paying 30% while Apple pays so little. 

    The impact of these strong arm tactics will appear over the long term as the world realizes the U.S. is not one to be trusted -- that we have become the abusive spouse.

    And like the stereotypical abusive spouse, we are currently leveraging financial, economic and structural power.  That can only go on for so long.
    muthuk_vanalingam
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  • Reply 29 of 35
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member

    To the right, anything not far right is far left - including the truth.  And, anybody who believes it is an infidel.
    To the left, anything not far left is far right - including the truth.  And, anybody who believes it is an infidel.

    That statement is exactly as true as yours is.

    No, it isn't
    spheric
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  • Reply 30 of 35
    avon b7avon b7 Posts: 8,329member
    seankill said:
    avon b7 said:
    Huh?  Every country has to agree on "one overall deal" or the U.S. will block it with tariffs?

    So, the U.S. can do whatever it wants, anyway it wants, whenever it wants.   But, with businesses operating in each of their countries, the rest of the world has to march in lockstep (and probably to Mnuchin's drum?).

    The arrogance is staggering!
    It is part of the 'you can play, but America must win' approach.

    We'll have to see how things pan out but the U.S has a lot more to lose than win by rocking the boat so much.

    The arrogance is not lost on foreign leaders who will simply have to adapt to possible tariffs, enter tit-for-tat mode or take trade elsewhere. 

    Now, with every tweet and threat, I feel we are closer to someone calling the U.S bluff. If the Chinese were to dump Boeing and go Airbus to a larger degree than it is, that would put the cat among the pigeons and Trump would only have himself to blame. Of course, taking all that business to the EU would come at a price because the deal world have to swing both ways.

    To be honest, I think most foreign leaders now see Trump as the 'outgoing' president and are banking on any successor having to bend over backwards to repair the incredible damage done on just about every level to international relations.
    I’m sure the EU would love to lose presence in the largest economy in the world. Replace that with what exactly?

    That said, I do agree these companies should pay more in taxes. Too many US only firms paying 30% while Apple pays so little. 
    No one likes to lose trade but if you get tariffed out of a market due to protectionist measures, you take your trade elsewhere.

    At worst you fall back on your internal market.

    Trump made a huge deal about the trade deficit with China and the so-called 'easy to win' trade war was anything of the sort. The U.S government had to plough billions into the farming industry to keep it from going bankrupt. It couldn't do that forever of course. The U.S lobster industry suffered as China took its business to Canada. The ban on Huawei is costing U.S tech firms billions and severely threatening its ability to compete. Some say the U.S government plans to invest billions into a 5G competitor to Huawei. That is just regarding China but the reality was always the same: the U.S has a trade deficit with virtually the whole world. 

    Start putting tariffs on everyone and you will come unstuck quickly.
    sphericGeorgeBMacmuthuk_vanalingam
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  • Reply 31 of 35

    To the right, anything not far right is far left - including the truth.  And, anybody who believes it is an infidel.
    To the left, anything not far left is far right - including the truth.  And, anybody who believes it is an infidel.

    That statement is exactly as true as yours is.

    No, it isn't
    Yes, it is.
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  • Reply 32 of 35
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,453member
    Can one of you act like an adult please?
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  • Reply 33 of 35
    GeorgeBMacgeorgebmac Posts: 11,421member

    To the right, anything not far right is far left - including the truth.  And, anybody who believes it is an infidel.
    To the left, anything not far left is far right - including the truth.  And, anybody who believes it is an infidel.

    That statement is exactly as true as yours is.

    No, it isn't
    Yes, it is.

    I'm hoping that you're just trolling and that you don't seriously believe that.  It has no basis in reality.
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  • Reply 34 of 35

    To the right, anything not far right is far left - including the truth.  And, anybody who believes it is an infidel.
    To the left, anything not far left is far right - including the truth.  And, anybody who believes it is an infidel.

    That statement is exactly as true as yours is.

    No, it isn't
    Yes, it is.

    I'm hoping that you're just trolling and that you don't seriously believe that.  It has no basis in reality.
    I could say exactly the same thing about your statement with exactly the same degree of accuracy.
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  • Reply 35 of 35
    sphericspheric Posts: 2,803member
    Reality has a left-wing bias. 
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