MI5 head wants 'exceptional access' to encrypted communications

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  • Reply 41 of 44
    MissNomer said:
    Let's pretend Apple does this. Since we're now firmly in imagination land, let's pretend Google, Facebook, and all the other major players also do this.

    Great. Now what? What's to stop global terrorists using an encryption app that's not backdoored? This will end up a perpetual game of wack-a-mole where only the innocent lose out.

    So, what's really the point? I can't help but feel that all this is not to spy on terrorists, but on us. Pretty sure MI5, the CIA, Mossad et al all know that terrorists will up their game, so what's the real reason for this? Is this nothing more than a Trojan horse?
    I can see a scenario where the monitoring of every citizen leads to data patterns that can be analysed for changes. At least theoretically, it would then be possible to classify behavioural changes as "teenager acting out", "new job", "having an affair", etc, etc with red flags being raised when the algorithms determine "could be becoming a terrorist." The current commercial surveillance apparatus masquerading as advertising-based services has already started this process, except they don't care about crimes or terrorism or any other behaviour except insofar as it enables them to identify what products and services you are likely to pay for, which information they can then sell to advertisers.

    I'm not sure how I feel about that approach. On the one hand, if operated by fair-minded decent people in the manner in which it is intended then it's working towards the public good. On the other hand, fair-minded decent people tend not to stay long in such operations.
  • Reply 42 of 44
    Sunscale said:
    Nosy Parker :smiley: 
    That's SIR Nosy to you, pleb! :wink:
  • Reply 43 of 44
    toysandmetoysandme Posts: 243member
    Dear Mi5. 
    Some of the Annie Machon interviews are still on YouTube and we know about 7/7. We’ve also been watching your kangaroo courts with the Assange trial. You might get some respect the day you go after real criminals the way you go after those who report your own criminal activities. 
    beowulfschmidt
  • Reply 44 of 44
    crowleycrowley Posts: 10,154member
    MissNomer said:
    Let's pretend Apple does this. Since we're now firmly in imagination land, let's pretend Google, Facebook, and all the other major players also do this.

    Great. Now what? What's to stop global terrorists using an encryption app that's not backdoored? This will end up a perpetual game of wack-a-mole where only the innocent lose out.

    So, what's really the point? I can't help but feel that all this is not to spy on terrorists, but on us. Pretty sure MI5, the CIA, Mossad et al all know that terrorists will up their game, so what's the real reason for this? Is this nothing more than a Trojan horse?
    Facebook Messenger not being encrypted meant that Facebook were able to report tens of millions of incidents of child abuse imagery being shared, of which many led to convictions.  Not a single report was sent from the encrypted services, iMessage, WhatsApp, Telegram, or the like.

    There are some good reasons for being scared of what a global private communication network may enable.
    edited March 2020
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