Nope. They're still separate—just a little more overlap where it makes sense.
I like that the iPad is getting more powerful with each new edition.
I don’t think he meant it that way. I’m pretty sure he meant that as the Mac has gotten so much more complex over the decades, iPadOS is now the fairly simple OS to use.
Any OS is "complex" if you don't take the time or care to learn it in detail. I'd say the number of details is generally commensurate with the functionality, and I don't think Apple has arbitrarily made any of its OSs more complex than they need to be. The point I want to make: Each OS is best suited for each respective device. So no actual replacement is likely to occur, even though the OP was admittedly speaking figuratively.
Ah, you made my point for me. I used the Mac a little bit in 1984, and a lot beginning in 1988. Believe me, the Mac was pretty simple to use and understand back then. That included people who never used a computer before. You hardly needed any instruction at all. It slowly became more complex over the years, with a big jump with OS X, which made a lot of things more complex. It’s been a long time since macOS has been what Apple originally envisioned.
that doesn’t make it bad. It is much more complex because computing has become much more complex. With much more powerful processors, bigger monitors, vastly more memory and storage, far more can be done now, and that required more complexity. That’s just the way it is. But the iPad was designed to go back to the original concept of not needing to know much about how a computer works to be able to use it well. Even that’s become more complex over the years since I bought the first one. But it’s still far less complex to use, even with iPadOS, than a modern Mac is, because Apple cleverly made it so that you can ignore that added complexity if you don’t want to use it.
Those of us who have been here for some time have debated these points for that entire time, and we’ve never reached a complete conclusion, and we never will. Apple has stated repeatedly that they won’t merge macOS and iOS. But that’s no longer entirely true. Some fanatics will say it is, but it’s pretty obvious to the rest of us that they continued to get closer. Year after year iOS takes from macOS, and macOS takes from iOS. Now you can write an iOS app, and have it run on macOS. Some changes need to be made to the UI, but macOS has already borrowed some of the UI from iOS.
if it’s true that we will see macOS on ARM, that will make that transition much easier, as we’ll likely see a bunch of iOS apps on macOS too. macOS apps that will be written for native running on ARM will make it to iOS as well.
a long time ago, after the iPhone first came out, I proposed a Universal OS for Apple that would have each device run whatever it needed on that device, with a UI that was appropriate. The apps would be downloaded to each device in the form needed for that device, with the functionality appropriate for that device. The files generated would work across all the devices, with apps being more capable of doing more complex work on the files as you went up to the most powerful of the devices. We see that happening now.
the reality of it is that all of Apple’s devices run some set of their Unix based OS. The Mac runs the full one, and less of it as you go down. So, in a sense, right now macOS and iOS are already one OS with the differing UI required for the different screen sizes and intent. If we see that ARM Mac, then it will essentially be complete. Apple can deny that they’re merging the OS’s, but to all intents and purposes, they will have done it. The difference in UI wont matter if the same apps run across all the devices from, at least the iphone to the Mac Pro.
in addition, Apple has, the past few years, increasingly sandboxes macOS the way iosism sandboxes. Sell an app in the Mac store, and it needs to be sandboxes, just the way an ios app is. We can see ho things are getting closer.
if you can’t see that happening, then you need to look more carefully.
In 1988 or so I took my Macintosh over to a friend's house. His preschool daughter (probably about 3 years old) who had never before seen a computer picked up the mouse and started drawing with it in MacDraw or MacPaint.
Yes, it was that simple.
Conversely, my 13 year old grandson who is pretty well versed in computers wanted a MacBook for Christmas so I got him one thinking (presciently as it turns out!) that he might need one for school (now cyberschool!). He couldn't stand it. I ended up installing WIndows 10 under Bootcamp for him -- now he loves it! He simply didn't have the urge or the patience to figure out how to maneuver in MacOS.
The contrast is striking to me.
Weird. As a daily user of Windows 10 (and decades as Window user & developer) in no way would I consider it more intuitive or less complex than macOS. I would not believe your grandson’s experience is the norm.
No, I think it was mostly a matter of familiarity. He knew from school and from his Mom's machine how to maneuver and get things done in Windows. MacOS does things differently and became an obstacle for him. His mom said the same: "I don't know how to use this"
It's the main reason why I think Apple has been losing a large and growing segment of the population (kids who grow into adults) by ceding the school market to Microsoft and Google. Yes, their iPad is priced right but Google wraps the schools and teachers in software that enables them to teach more effectively so the kids are using Google classroom and Google Docs, etc on Windows. MacOS is on the outside looking in.
Nope. They're still separate—just a little more overlap where it makes sense.
I like that the iPad is getting more powerful with each new edition.
I don’t think he meant it that way. I’m pretty sure he meant that as the Mac has gotten so much more complex over the decades, iPadOS is now the fairly simple OS to use.
Any OS is "complex" if you don't take the time or care to learn it in detail. I'd say the number of details is generally commensurate with the functionality, and I don't think Apple has arbitrarily made any of its OSs more complex than they need to be. The point I want to make: Each OS is best suited for each respective device. So no actual replacement is likely to occur, even though the OP was admittedly speaking figuratively.
Ah, you made my point for me. I used the Mac a little bit in 1984, and a lot beginning in 1988. Believe me, the Mac was pretty simple to use and understand back then. That included people who never used a computer before. You hardly needed any instruction at all. It slowly became more complex over the years, with a big jump with OS X, which made a lot of things more complex. It’s been a long time since macOS has been what Apple originally envisioned.
that doesn’t make it bad. It is much more complex because computing has become much more complex. With much more powerful processors, bigger monitors, vastly more memory and storage, far more can be done now, and that required more complexity. That’s just the way it is. But the iPad was designed to go back to the original concept of not needing to know much about how a computer works to be able to use it well. Even that’s become more complex over the years since I bought the first one. But it’s still far less complex to use, even with iPadOS, than a modern Mac is, because Apple cleverly made it so that you can ignore that added complexity if you don’t want to use it.
Those of us who have been here for some time have debated these points for that entire time, and we’ve never reached a complete conclusion, and we never will. Apple has stated repeatedly that they won’t merge macOS and iOS. But that’s no longer entirely true. Some fanatics will say it is, but it’s pretty obvious to the rest of us that they continued to get closer. Year after year iOS takes from macOS, and macOS takes from iOS. Now you can write an iOS app, and have it run on macOS. Some changes need to be made to the UI, but macOS has already borrowed some of the UI from iOS.
if it’s true that we will see macOS on ARM, that will make that transition much easier, as we’ll likely see a bunch of iOS apps on macOS too. macOS apps that will be written for native running on ARM will make it to iOS as well.
a long time ago, after the iPhone first came out, I proposed a Universal OS for Apple that would have each device run whatever it needed on that device, with a UI that was appropriate. The apps would be downloaded to each device in the form needed for that device, with the functionality appropriate for that device. The files generated would work across all the devices, with apps being more capable of doing more complex work on the files as you went up to the most powerful of the devices. We see that happening now.
the reality of it is that all of Apple’s devices run some set of their Unix based OS. The Mac runs the full one, and less of it as you go down. So, in a sense, right now macOS and iOS are already one OS with the differing UI required for the different screen sizes and intent. If we see that ARM Mac, then it will essentially be complete. Apple can deny that they’re merging the OS’s, but to all intents and purposes, they will have done it. The difference in UI wont matter if the same apps run across all the devices from, at least the iphone to the Mac Pro.
in addition, Apple has, the past few years, increasingly sandboxes macOS the way iosism sandboxes. Sell an app in the Mac store, and it needs to be sandboxes, just the way an ios app is. We can see ho things are getting closer.
if you can’t see that happening, then you need to look more carefully.
In 1988 or so I took my Macintosh over to a friend's house. His preschool daughter (probably about 3 years old) who had never before seen a computer picked up the mouse and started drawing with it in MacDraw or MacPaint.
Yes, it was that simple.
Conversely, my 13 year old grandson who is pretty well versed in computers wanted a MacBook for Christmas so I got him one thinking (presciently as it turns out!) that he might need one for school (now cyberschool!). He couldn't stand it. I ended up installing WIndows 10 under Bootcamp for him -- now he loves it! He simply didn't have the urge or the patience to figure out how to maneuver in MacOS.
The contrast is striking to me.
Kids are strange and manipulative. I wouldn’t be surprised that he was really unhappy because of the gaming situation on the Mac and wanted to find some excuse to get out of it. I’ve known of m9ore than a few teenagers who wa need Windows machines for that singular reason, but didn’t want to tell their parents.
when my dajfher was 2 and a half, she started using my PowerMac. I bought her her own Syquest disk for her stuff, showed her how to use it, and off she went. She was barely reading, using Reader Rabbit; Ready For Letters, but I had told her previously that she needed to be able to read the menus and such. When she was 4 I bought her a new PowerMac 450. Yeah, a lot of computer for a four year old. But she learned to read on mine a year before. I was interested in seeing what she could do. This was in 1995, I think.
I can see that (the lack of gaming) happening. But, not in this case because he only uses it for school and does games on his XBox and, to a lesser extent, on his iPhone. Unlike your daughter, he was familiar with Windows and Google products from school and was comfortable using them. He didn't know how to do things in MacOS (and neither did his mom) and I wasn't always there to show him -- so he stopped using it and switched back to using his mom's crappy old HP. Now that I have Windows on his MBA he's using it again (now, with cyber school, everyday!) and he loves it and so does his mom -- she wants one too.
one thing I can now express my annoyance about that involves all three keyboards, because at first I thought it might just be the way the Folio worked, Is that none of them seem to be able to recognize that the word “I” needs to be capitalized. Sometimes they do it, and sometimes they don’t. The onscreen keyboard, which I’m typing on now, doesn’t have that problem. It’s not just the “I” either. They work more like the Mac keyboard in this regard than the virtual iPad keyboard, and that’s disappointing, because I’m used to the way that works, now having used them for ten years.
but then, for several iOS upgrades, the text replacement has been wonky altogether. Sometimes words I have set in there work, and sometimes not. It stopped working properly somewhere around iOS 10.
You mean autocorrect? If it's not working for some reason, you can just set up a text replacement for lower case I to get replaced by an uppercase in Keyboard settings.
Neither one is working consistently. Ive got over a hundred works and such in text replacement. It used to work oerfectly, and then after one of the upgrades. Few years ago, it didnt. Notice the lack of an apostrophe in Ive and didnt.
one thing I can now express my annoyance about that involves all three keyboards, because at first I thought it might just be the way the Folio worked, Is that none of them seem to be able to recognize that the word “I” needs to be capitalized. Sometimes they do it, and sometimes they don’t. The onscreen keyboard, which I’m typing on now, doesn’t have that problem. It’s not just the “I” either. They work more like the Mac keyboard in this regard than the virtual iPad keyboard, and that’s disappointing, because I’m used to the way that works, now having used them for ten years.
but then, for several iOS upgrades, the text replacement has been wonky altogether. Sometimes words I have set in there work, and sometimes not. It stopped working properly somewhere around iOS 10.
You mean autocorrect? If it's not working for some reason, you can just set up a text replacement for lower case I to get replaced by an uppercase in Keyboard settings.
Neither one is working consistently. Ive got over a hundred works and such in text replacement. It used to work oerfectly, and then after one of the upgrades. Few years ago, it didnt. Notice the lack of an apostrophe in Ive and didnt.
That's weird. When I was writing my previous response, I couldn't even type an isolated lower case I without it autocorrecting. This is the part where despite knowing that I set everything up okay, I'd be poring over all the Keyboard settings on ALL devices to make sure they're all set exactly how they should be. Guessing you've probably done that, but I've surprised myself at times. ¯\(°_o)/¯
one thing I can now express my annoyance about that involves all three keyboards, because at first I thought it might just be the way the Folio worked, Is that none of them seem to be able to recognize that the word “I” needs to be capitalized. Sometimes they do it, and sometimes they don’t. The onscreen keyboard, which I’m typing on now, doesn’t have that problem. It’s not just the “I” either. They work more like the Mac keyboard in this regard than the virtual iPad keyboard, and that’s disappointing, because I’m used to the way that works, now having used them for ten years.
but then, for several iOS upgrades, the text replacement has been wonky altogether. Sometimes words I have set in there work, and sometimes not. It stopped working properly somewhere around iOS 10.
You mean autocorrect? If it's not working for some reason, you can just set up a text replacement for lower case I to get replaced by an uppercase in Keyboard settings.
Neither one is working consistently. Ive got over a hundred works and such in text replacement. It used to work oerfectly, and then after one of the upgrades. Few years ago, it didnt. Notice the lack of an apostrophe in Ive and didnt.
That's weird. When I was writing my previous response, I couldn't even type an isolated lower case I without it autocorrecting. This is the part where despite knowing that I set everything up okay, I'd be poring over all the Keyboard settings on ALL devices to make sure they're all set exactly how they should be. Guessing you've probably done that, but I've surprised myself at times. ¯\(°_o)/¯
It’s strange. Worse is when I check everything in the post. Errors pop up. The spellings in my last post are another example of something that wasn’t there when I gave a final check before posting.
on this site, and one other, when new paragraphs fail to capitalize the first letter of the first word. I gave up on correcting that long ago.
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No, I think it was mostly a matter of familiarity. He knew from school and from his Mom's machine how to maneuver and get things done in Windows. MacOS does things differently and became an obstacle for him. His mom said the same: "I don't know how to use this"
It's the main reason why I think Apple has been losing a large and growing segment of the population (kids who grow into adults) by ceding the school market to Microsoft and Google. Yes, their iPad is priced right but Google wraps the schools and teachers in software that enables them to teach more effectively so the kids are using Google classroom and Google Docs, etc on Windows. MacOS is on the outside looking in.
I can see that (the lack of gaming) happening. But, not in this case because he only uses it for school and does games on his XBox and, to a lesser extent, on his iPhone. Unlike your daughter, he was familiar with Windows and Google products from school and was comfortable using them. He didn't know how to do things in MacOS (and neither did his mom) and I wasn't always there to show him -- so he stopped using it and switched back to using his mom's crappy old HP. Now that I have Windows on his MBA he's using it again (now, with cyber school, everyday!) and he loves it and so does his mom -- she wants one too.
on this site, and one other, when new paragraphs fail to capitalize the first letter of the first word. I gave up on correcting that long ago.