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  • Reply 21 of 32
    thegeldingthegelding Posts: 3,230member
    a quote from Brad in the Trolls post:

    [quote] murbot is right. In fact, we've also accidentally created a bit of a breeding grounds for trolls in the form of the Fireside Chat forum. Fortunately, they're easy to avoid if you just steer clear of FC altogether. <hr></blockquote>



    see, more proof that FC and AO should not be merged.....g
  • Reply 22 of 32
    Fireside seems more flaming than outsider.

    Maybe doing the division all from zero there could bring some more fresher ideas?
  • Reply 23 of 32
    We are aware that Fireside Chat is full of crap and trolls and flamers. *If* it will be merged again with AppleOutsider, much stricter rules and regulations will be enforced so that things don't get out of control again. Trust me, you are not the only ones disappointed with how Fireside turned out.



    We (the mods and admins) have discussed this at length and hope to have a workable solution by the time we are able to import to vBulletin.
  • Reply 24 of 32
    rodukroduk Posts: 706member
    To keep things in perspective, Fireside Chat contains issues that impact us all (gun control, religion, the universe, free speech, terrorism etc). I'd suggest it's Apple Outsider that is full of crap (people who stink, what do you wear whilst sleeping, signs that you're really really drunk etc). Important topics inevitably give rise to strong opinions and conflicting views, which is why they are often moved from Apple Outsider to Fireside Chat in the first place. I guess one solution would be to ban discussion on controversial topics altogether, leaving us to contemplate life's true mysteries, such as whether Powerdoc really does wear jaguar jim jams to bed.
  • Reply 25 of 32
    You're right and you're wrong. The issues discussed in Fireside chat are important, however, Fireside Chat quickly evolved beyond the original intentions.



    At the time AppleOutsider was flooded with religious threads, and these threads were, at the time, degrading into flame wars between 'believers' and 'non-believers' if you will; most people here seem not to believe in a god, and they're not afraid to tell the people that do that it is the case.



    This became a problem, and it was difficult to moderate. Members were also upset about all the religious and political discussions in AO at the time. This is a perfect example of how a majority of threads of a particular topic warrant the creation of another forum; we decided to create Fireside Chat for religious/political discussions. Unfortunately, it quickly got out of hand, and admittedly, was initially moderated poorly by us moderators and administrators, and was not given the TLC necessary to grow it into a respectable forum.



    As such, some of us hoped we could get the people who wanted to flame the religious and political threads to do it in there, however, moderators take the approach that anything religious/political should go into Fireside Chat... and because "that's just where those threads go". It isn't because we want those threads to turn into a flame war, but that's where we have become accustomed to putting those discussions, and FC has degraded to the point where EVERYTHING in there in a flame war.



    This is precisely why, as Brad mentioned earlier, that we are discussing alternatives to FC for the vB transition. We know these discussions are important, and we don't want to censor them. We also don't want them to turn into a pointless flame war. So we're taking the time to do it right this time, something that we, regrettably, didn't do when we created Fireside Chat.
  • Reply 26 of 32
    why not rename fireside chat to the ....



    Y0u suck !@$~!2 forum



    no one else has a forum name like that
  • Reply 27 of 32
    amorphamorph Posts: 7,112member
    [quote]Originally posted by madmax559:

    <strong>why not rename fireside chat to the ....



    Y0u suck !@$~!2 forum



    no one else has a forum name like that </strong><hr></blockquote>



    If we did that, we'd have to rename Future Hardware to "You smoke *(%&@", and it'd be all downhill from there.
  • Reply 28 of 32
    bellebelle Posts: 1,574member
    [quote]Originally posted by Amorph:

    <strong>If we did that, we'd have to rename Future Hardware to "You smoke *(%&@", and it'd be all downhill from there. </strong><hr></blockquote>

    <img src="graemlins/lol.gif" border="0" alt="[Laughing]" />
  • Reply 29 of 32
    DEVELOPERS....DEVELOPERS....DEVELOPERS....DEVELOPE RS....DEVELOPERS....DEVELOPERS....

    DEVELOPERS....DEVELOPERS....DEVELOPERS....DEVELOPE RS....



    whoops i ran outta breath



    [you also mucked with the formatting of the thread, so I took the liberty of breaking up that line. -Amorph]



    [ 10-29-2002: Message edited by: Amorph ]</p>
  • Reply 30 of 32
    [quote]Originally posted by madmax559:

    <strong>DEVELOPERS....DEVELOPERS....DEVELOPERS.... DEVELOPERS....DEVELOPERS....DEVELOPERS....

    DEVELOPERS....DEVELOPERS....DEVELOPERS....DEVELOPE RS....



    whoops i ran outta breath



    [you also mucked with the formatting of the thread, so I took the liberty of breaking up that line. -Amorph]



    [ 10-29-2002: Message edited by: Amorph ]</strong><hr></blockquote>



    Developers = You chose the red pill @%$#
  • Reply 31 of 32
    So I took a deep breath, exhaled slowly, and went ahead and started a <a href="http://forums.appleinsider.com/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=10&t=002954"; target="_blank">Developers thread</a> under General Discussions. Posted a real, honest-to-goodness dev question as well. Lets see where it goes...



    (tig)
  • Reply 32 of 32
    Games? Humbug!



    I cannae really support the idea o' the games forum as it would simply distract people frae their work and encourage frivolity. Games - being the opium o' the masses - can surely hae nae place in the lives o' the powerful and sternly serious Mac user, wha would raither spend his or her time in productive word-processorly monochrome pursuits. Games, my freends, ruin the mind and scare the horses. Better by far tae polish the brasses and scrub the fire engine or sell poppies from a tray.



    And as for software development! Hah! Software development ye say! Let me tell ye brothers that if games are bad software development is thrice as trimuginous. Is there no' plenty o' software as it is? Software = bugs. Bug fixes = new bugs. Bugs = Bugs, bugs and mare bugs. And what dae bugs equate to? Loss o' productivity, frustration and untimely death. Mark my words - games and sotware development are the tooth decay o' morality and civilisation. Humbug!



    I therefore propose a lugubriously librarianesque forum tae counterbalance the levity elsewhere and promote some staid sensibility and sound habits.
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