UK NHS undecided on contact tracing app, switch to Apple-Google API being considered

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The U.K. National Health Service is charging ahead with plans to release its contact tracing app, despite there still being unanswered questions about its functionality.

The rollout of the U.K. contact tracing app has been beset by confusion. Credit: AFP
The rollout of the U.K. contact tracing app has been beset by confusion. Credit: AFP


Unlike countries like Switzerland and Latvia, the U.K. decided earlier in 2020 to reject the Apple-Google Exposure Notification API in favor of its own system. That was apparently due to disagreements about how data about exposure and contact data should be stored.

The BBC reported on Thursday that ministers are still "considering switching the app over to tech developed by Apple and Google." That's due to concerns about the risks of the country's current "go-it-alone" contact tracing initiative.

Although originally planned for a May release, the U.K.'s app has yet to debut. It is currently being tested on the Isle of Wight, according to The Times, with plans to release it "within a fortnight." But early trials of the app on the island have confused some testers.

Some of the confusion is tied to a feature called an "amber warning," which is sent to a user's phone when they've been in contact with a person who self-reports symptoms but hasn't been officially diagnosed.

The Times notes that some testers criticized the warning "as it raised their anxiety without giving clear instructions as to what they could and could not do."

Another issue could be the use of the app in crowded housing environments, such as apartment towers. Because of the proximity of people in these areas, users could potentially get exposure notifications from people they've never actually been in contact with. On May 19, a pair of security researchers based in Australia also identified seven security flaws within the app's source code.

Earlier in May, the NHS was apparently mulling a switch to the Apple-Google API. As of early June, the NHS itself didn't appear to have any plans to do so.

The head of the NHSX, Matthew Gould, made it clear that the decision to forego the Silicon Valley solution wasn't set in stone. "If it becomes clear that a different approach is a better one and achieves the things that we need to achieve more effectively, we will change," Gould told a parliamentary committee on May 4.

Digital contact tracing efforts are further ahaed in Europe than they are in the U.S, where only a handful of states have apps available or in testing.

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  • Reply 1 of 10
    neilmneilm Posts: 988member
    "UK NHS undecided on contact tracing app, switch to Apple-Google API being considered"

    "
    The U.K. National Health Service is charging ahead with plans to release its contact tracing app, despite there still being unanswered questions about its functionality."

    Wha...? The headline and first sentence of this article seem not to agree.
    edited June 2020 williamlondon
  • Reply 2 of 10
    elijahgelijahg Posts: 2,759member
    It's taken them such a long time that the critical time has passed, they've lost mindshare and the trust of the public. The Github page has numerous issues that haven't been solved (and are hard to solve due to the workarounds used), with basically no progress since the initial beta. The initial release date was mid-may, which could have been easily met had they used the template app provided by Apple rather than rolling their own with people tracking built in. I won't be running this app if it is ever released, unless it ends up being based on the Apple/Google API.
    williamlondonolsPetrolDave
  • Reply 3 of 10
    darkpawdarkpaw Posts: 212member
    That was apparently due to disagreements about how data about exposure and contact data should be stored.
    Yeah. The UK government want to store the data from this app for TWENTY YEARS! This is just one of many reasons this app is dead on arrival. They've lost the trust of the public, and they want to keep this data for far too long.
    williamlondonolsPetrolDave
  • Reply 4 of 10
    GeorgeBMacGeorgeBMac Posts: 11,421member
    With access to background Bluetooth being blocked, there is little chance of any contact tracing app being effective.
    edited June 2020 williamlondonolsPetrolDave
  • Reply 5 of 10
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    Hardly surprising, given the shower of public school pigshaggers running the country at the moment.

    A sh*tshow rivalled only by the clusterf**ks running in the US and Sweden.

    Not even sure why they're bothering. That ship has sailed. 

    The lockdown pretty much collapsed when the man who's actually running the country decided to take a sixty-mile drive to 'test his eyesight'.
    edited June 2020 williamlondonfotoformatmobiusolsPetrolDave
  • Reply 6 of 10
    WilliamMWilliamM Posts: 19member
    This article from the BBC attempts to say that the Apple/Google API doesn't work very well either.
  • Reply 7 of 10
    darkpawdarkpaw Posts: 212member
    WilliamM said:
    This article from the BBC attempts to say that the Apple/Google API doesn't work very well either.
    FTA:

    Those responsible believe a further advantage of their centralised approach is that the data can be processed on the server involved, since it would be too taxing a task to be done on smartphones.

    But part of their challenge is communicating this to Baroness Dido Harding - who heads up the wider Test and Trace programme - and 10 Downing Street itself.

    A spokesman for the prime minister declined to comment.

    Don't they realise what can be done on a smartphone these days? I'm sure an iPhone and even an Android phone is capable of iterating over a couple of lists and looking for matches.

    Ah yes, Baroness Dido Harding:
    - Former chief executive of the TalkTalk Group which leaked personal and banking details of up to four million customers, cost them £60m and lost them 95,000 customers.
    - Sits on the board of the Jockey Club, which decided to go ahead with the Cheltenham Festival in the middle of a pandemic where 250,000 people congregated together to watch horses race and to catch a disease spread by close contact with infected people.
    - And if nepotism is your thing, wife of John Penrose, Conservative MP for Weston-super-Mare.

    A triple-whammy! She is unqualified for this role.

    The spokesman declined to comment because the person who would craft a response wasn't back from another 60-mile round-trip after thinking his eyes were a bit dodgy and needing to pile his family into the car to see if he could drive 250 miles.
    williamlondonfotoformatolsRayz2016PetrolDave
  • Reply 8 of 10
    neilm said:
    "UK NHS undecided on contact tracing app, switch to Apple-Google API being considered"

    "
    The U.K. National Health Service is charging ahead with plans to release its contact tracing app, despite there still being unanswered questions about its functionality."

    Wha...? The headline and first sentence of this article seem not to agree.
    There are always at least two often very different answers to any question asked of the NHS. Firstly, you have the official statement agreed by Politicians. Then you have the reality given to you by the people on the ground.
  • Reply 9 of 10
    Rayz2016Rayz2016 Posts: 6,957member
    darkpaw said:

    Ah yes, Baroness Dido Harding:
    - Former chief executive of the TalkTalk Group which leaked personal and banking details of up to four million customers, cost them £60m and lost them 95,000 customers.
    - Sits on the board of the Jockey Club, which decided to go ahead with the Cheltenham Festival in the middle of a pandemic where 250,000 people congregated together to watch horses race and to catch a disease spread by close contact with infected people.
    - And if nepotism is your thing, wife of John Penrose, Conservative MP for Weston-super-Mare.

    A triple-whammy! She is unqualified for this role.

    The spokesman declined to comment because the person who would craft a response wasn't back from another 60-mile round-trip after thinking his eyes were a bit dodgy and needing to pile his family into the car to see if he could drive 250 miles.

    Baroness Dido Harding studied Philosophy, Politics and Economics at Oxford. This course is a requirement for any member of the privileged classes who intends to serve as a right-wing prime minister. 

    One of the hallmarks of the PPE (aside from producing the two most incompetent numpties to ever serve as prime minister: David Cameron and Boris Johnson) is its handing out debating topics and requiring students to argue for or against it without having done any background reading. It is effectively a course designed to teach the upper classes how to stand up and talk shite about things they know nothing about. 

    Oh, and Harding’s husband sits on a committee that’s looking into ways of scrapping the NHS and replacing it with an insurance-based system. 


    edited June 2020 olswilliamlondon
  • Reply 10 of 10
    Using Bluetooth is never going to be able to tell if two people are separated by a pane of glass or even a partition wall, so false positives are almost guaranteed - leading to worried people and lack of trust in the system.
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