They should be looking to tri-fold so it can be Phone sized folded and have 1/3 of screen visible. Unfold pad sized. That would be an interesting device.
Do we have ANY information about sales of the Galaxy Fold? Or any foldable for that matter? These were dropped on the market, received various positive and negative reviews, and have now disappeared from the limelight into obscurity. They look to me to be failed attempts at innovation and I don't understand why Apple would be interested in making something like this. Sure, play around in the lab, but bring one to market? Why?
Up until COVID-19 struck, Huawei was selling 100,000 a month mainly in China, as theirs was released there first.
"While 2019 proved a tough year for the company, Huawei’s annual report shows that it wasn’t all that bad: Huawei remained the second biggest smartphone brand in the world, shipping 240 million phones. About 44 million of those belong to its flagship Mate and P series."
Apple sells something on the order of 180 to 210 million iPhones a year, though 70 percent of those are typically the current years "flagship" models, so Apple is selling 3 times more flagship models than Huawei.
That 44 million includes Mate lite and P lite phones as well (mid-range phones, with flagship name). So, it is quite possible that Apple is selling about 8-10 times more flagship models than Huawei.
Do we have ANY information about sales of the Galaxy Fold? Or any foldable for that matter? These were dropped on the market, received various positive and negative reviews, and have now disappeared from the limelight into obscurity. They look to me to be failed attempts at innovation and I don't understand why Apple would be interested in making something like this. Sure, play around in the lab, but bring one to market? Why?
Up until COVID-19 struck, Huawei was selling 100,000 a month mainly in China, as theirs was released there first.
"Richard Yu, head of Huawei's consumer business, said in an interview with Chinese media outlet The Paper on Thursday that his company has already lost between US$60 million and US$70 million on foldable phones.
Yuge sales...
NOTE: The Paper is the official newspaper of the CCP Central Committee. Talk about those close ties of Huawei to the CCP.
Still not ready for prime time, and less so, now that Huawei can't provide Google services.
I especially like this part;
"While 2019 proved a tough year for the company, Huawei’s annual report shows that it wasn’t all that bad: Huawei remained the second biggest smartphone brand in the world, shipping 240 million phones. About 44 million of those belong to its flagship Mate and P series."
Apple sells something on the order of 180 to 210 million iPhones a year, though 70 percent of those are typically the current years "flagship" models, so Apple is selling 3 times more flagship models than Huawei. That's likely the reason that Huawei's ASP's and margins are so much lower that Apple's.
"Conservative members of the United Kingdom’s government have pushed Prime Minister Boris Johnson to draw up plans to remove telecom equipment made by the Chinese manufacturer Huawei from the nation’s 5G networks by 2023, according to multiple reports.
The decision by Johnson, who wanted Huawei’s market share in the nation’s telecommunications infrastructure capped at 35 percent, brings the UK back into alignment with the position Australia and the United States have taken on Huawei’s involvement in national communications networks, according to both The Guardian and The Telegraph.
The original question was on sales. The reply was on that.
Yes, we all know that the Mate XS is being sold at a loss. That is very old news.
Why do you think that might be?
The rest is just your own personal flavour of anti Chinese rant.
That 2020 is going to be a hard year is also old news.
It's is also going to be hard on Huawei's traditional U.S suppliers. They have stated as much. And the U.S strategy, desperate as it clearly is, could backfire massively in a world which moves to shun its technology due to extraterritorial moves.
For the record, my "own personal flavor" is a rant about Huawei's links to the CCP. I am not anti-Chinese, so please disavow yourself of that comment.
You also posted those numbers, and given that the link was dated early January, 100,000 Huawei foldables were sold for each of the first two months that they were on sale, at a $300 per unit loss. Not to worry, I read that Huawei bumped the price up $300 to break even.
It's mid-June, 5 months later, and you haven't noted any additional sales, nor has Huawei. This implies that sales aren't that great, and certainly, less than Samsung's half million for its second generation foldable; if Huawei's were greater than Samsung's, then Huawei would have said something.
As for my comments about Huawei related to telecom, I would note that the Chinese Government has and is facing backlash from the West, both due to China's COVID19 messaging, and also due to the crackdown in Hong Kong, but also due to China's Wolf Warrior diplomacy. That Huawei is closely linked to the CCP is a problem.
Meanwhile, the two Canadians arrested in China, just days after Huawei's Meng Wanzhou was detained in Canada for an extradition trial, are still detained.
In principle I've always liked the idea of a foldable iPhone but I've never liked foldable screens as a solution. I just don't think the technology is that far along. The hinged "prototype" pictured may be just that or a red herring to smoke out a leaker. Trouble is, a simple hinge would leave a visible gap between the screens. But what if the two screens are mounted in two "wings" that are hinged? And what if on opening the wings, one or both screens move slightly together closing the gap, hiding the hinge and making a virtual single screen? Would that be possible?
If you wanted to produce a foldable phone then two flat edge-to-edge displays that lie next to each other sounds a lot more credible than one flexible, folded display - any unsupported part of a folding display will be delicate and literally folding will surely give a crease that won't go away.
That doesn't answer the question of whether you actually do want a foldable phone. A display that's twice the width you carry in your pocket is attractive but I'm not sure about the other design implications, it doesn't sound like a typical Apple minimalist solution.
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That would be an interesting device.
You also posted those numbers, and given that the link was dated early January, 100,000 Huawei foldables were sold for each of the first two months that they were on sale, at a $300 per unit loss. Not to worry, I read that Huawei bumped the price up $300 to break even.
It's mid-June, 5 months later, and you haven't noted any additional sales, nor has Huawei. This implies that sales aren't that great, and certainly, less than Samsung's half million for its second generation foldable; if Huawei's were greater than Samsung's, then Huawei would have said something.
As for my comments about Huawei related to telecom, I would note that the Chinese Government has and is facing backlash from the West, both due to China's COVID19 messaging, and also due to the crackdown in Hong Kong, but also due to China's Wolf Warrior diplomacy. That Huawei is closely linked to the CCP is a problem.
Meanwhile, the two Canadians arrested in China, just days after Huawei's Meng Wanzhou was detained in Canada for an extradition trial, are still detained.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politics/article-two-canadians-jailed-in-china-mark-500-days-in-confinement/
https://globalnews.ca/news/7069428/meng-wanzhou-extradition-case-timeline/
China's tying of the two cases is appalling, and extrajudicial, demonstrating, again, China's authoritarianism.
None of this is helping Huawei, the BRI, or China's standing in the world.
Edit: Seems others are of a similar opinion!
That doesn't answer the question of whether you actually do want a foldable phone. A display that's twice the width you carry in your pocket is attractive but I'm not sure about the other design implications, it doesn't sound like a typical Apple minimalist solution.