<strong>Defiant, though I agree with the rest of what you said, all except the LOTR thread belong in Fireside Chat. If you read closely, the face transplant thread is about the psychological affects, my wal-mart values thread is about sexual discrimination, and the fusion energy thread is politically controversial enough just being an energy topic.
The others examples are correct : they should went to AO. I must admit that i move thread from AO to FC, but that we don't move topics from FC to AO very often.
Now, personaly i don't think that AO and FC should have a different management : differents subjects, but same guidelines for me.
I know I shouldn't make light of this thread, but this made me giggle:
[quote]Originally posted by ShawnPatrickJoyce:
<strong>1. You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use Allied Conservatives.com to post any material which is knowingly false...</strong><hr></blockquote>
As a basis for rules here at AI, this would be a bad place to begin. We'd have to delete Future Hardware for a start.
Defiant , SPJ was joking or pulling your leg when he speak of the the 3 others threads.
LOTR cast of AI characters, was hidden but blattant flamewar. The people he appreciate where good characters, the others where evil. You can check if you want.
<strong>I know I shouldn't make light of this thread, but this made me giggle:
As a basis for rules here at AI, this would be a bad place to begin. We'd have to delete Future Hardware for a start. </strong><hr></blockquote>
1. I am talking only about Fireside Chat
2. The nature of Future Hardware is mostly speculative, not deliberately wrong. There's quite a difference. Anyway, I never said the rules apply to that forum.
Like I said, it was just a general idea about where Fireside Chat could go and how to improve it. Right now the status quo sucks. You can disagree, but I don't really see you in there that often so I doubt you care. You should care because it's really not the place to haev even a discussion. People post claims without backing and refuse to support their statements when called upon. A moderator who would look at such transgressions could possibly weed out those who do so. Hmm. I'm just trying to improve things for everyone here- except those that cause trouble by trolling, flaming and hijacking. Is there anything we could do?
[quote]Like I said, it was just a general idea about where Fireside Chat could go and how to improve it. Right now the status quo sucks. You can disagree, but I don't really see you in there that often so I doubt you care. <hr></blockquote>
to be honest, moderators have less say in the matter than you'd like to think. sure, we can clean stuff up, but it's always after the fact. then top that off with the fact that none of us are paid to do this, it's something we do in our spare time. i'm not about to take up a crusade of cleaning out every crap post in Fireside Chat. lol, funny, i just had a ver FC comment to make, but i'll skip it.
i think you want to fix things in the wrong direction though. rather than having some ruling body that dictates what will and will not stay in FC for everyone, you'd be better off holding the posters to higher standards. you're expecting a handful of people to police the acts of dozens. instead, why not just expect more from those that post?
if you make an effort to keep a thread civil, on-topic and factual, it can be done. if you're willing to degenerate into a flamefest it will happen every time.
you'll have to lead by example, not dictate terms.
it's hard work, but the only real solution.
quality posts tend to get quality replies. ignore trolls and respond to posts worth responding to.
trust me, you don't want the likes of groverat and i running through FC chat with billy clubs smacking down anyone we think is being an idiot, that would create a horrible atmosphere.
2. The nature of Future Hardware is mostly speculative, not deliberately wrong. There's quite a difference. Anyway, I never said the rules apply to that forum.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I know, ShawnPatrickJoyce. I was just fooling.
[quote]<strong>Like I said, it was just a general idea about where Fireside Chat could go and how to improve it. Right now the status quo sucks. You can disagree, but I don't really see you in there that often so I doubt you care. You should care because it's really not the place to haev even a discussion. People post claims without backing and refuse to support their statements when called upon. A moderator who would look at such transgressions could possibly weed out those who do so. Hmm.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I read every current thread in that forum every day, but I tend not to post. Why? Because I realize that many people's opinions will be very different to my own, just as in the real world, and I don't care to waste my time beating my head against a brick wall to make my point be known. It's just like out there in the real world.
If you consider Fireside Chat such a wretched hive of scum and villainy, why do you bother participating, and why do you care so much that it be moderated with a firmer hand?
Are we supposed to check the claims made by all posters and delete those we consider untruthful? Lock or delete threads that cannot be proven?
Fireside Chat is full of individuals offering personal opinions on subjects. It's there to let AI's members discuss all the contentious stuff that doesn't really belong on an Apple-related forum anyway.
If you want reasoned, edited, and censored discussion about politics and religion then go to an appropriate site.
[quote]<strong>I'm just trying to improve things for everyone here- except those that cause trouble by trolling, flaming and hijacking. Is there anything we could do?</strong><hr></blockquote>
As far as I'm aware, Fireside Chat was created to solve this exact problem in Apple Outsider. I appreciate your sentiment, but as I say, this really isn't the forum for that kind of thing.
We basically have two choices - keep this stuff locked up in Fireside Chat and allow people to go unmoderated, or shut down Fireside Chat and just not let anyone discuss politics and religion on this forum.
<strong>Defiant , SPJ was joking or pulling your leg when he speak of the the 3 others threads.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
if you say so, doc.
[quote]Originally posted by Powerdoc:
<strong>LOTR cast of AI characters, was hidden but blattant flamewar. The people he appreciate where good characters, the others where evil. You can check if you want.</strong><hr></blockquote>
As far as I'm aware, Fireside Chat was created to solve this exact problem in Apple Outsider. I appreciate your sentiment, but as I say, this really isn't the forum for that kind of thing.
We basically have two choices - keep this stuff locked up in Fireside Chat and allow people to go unmoderated, or shut down Fireside Chat and just not let anyone discuss politics and religion on this forum.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I understand and agree with this statement. I think it would be a shame to shut out religious and political views because one person is upset at the conversation taking place.
I believe the moderators have done a great job with the forum and I give them credit for doing it as a service.
No one's advocating shutting down anyone's opinion, Fellowship. Though, Belle, I advocate improving Fireside Chat because I like posting in there, but it's just not as good as it could be- as evidenced by the ACC forum rules. Hmm.
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<strong>Defiant, though I agree with the rest of what you said, all except the LOTR thread belong in Fireside Chat. If you read closely, the face transplant thread is about the psychological affects, my wal-mart values thread is about sexual discrimination, and the fusion energy thread is politically controversial enough just being an energy topic.
<img src="graemlins/smokin.gif" border="0" alt="[Chilling]" /> </strong><hr></blockquote>
yes LOTR belongs to Fireside Chat.
The others examples are correct : they should went to AO. I must admit that i move thread from AO to FC, but that we don't move topics from FC to AO very often.
Now, personaly i don't think that AO and FC should have a different management : differents subjects, but same guidelines for me.
<strong>...all except the LOTR thread belong in Fireside Chat.</strong><hr></blockquote>
why ?
[quote]Originally posted by ShawnPatrickJoyce:
<strong>If you read closely, the face transplant thread is about the psychological affects,</strong><hr></blockquote>
you have to fight about that ? <img src="graemlins/oyvey.gif" border="0" alt="[No]" />
[quote]Originally posted by ShawnPatrickJoyce:
<strong> my wal-mart values thread is about sexual discrimination, </strong><hr></blockquote>
about that too ?
[quote]Originally posted by ShawnPatrickJoyce:
<strong>and the fusion energy thread is politically controversial enough just being an energy topic.</strong><hr></blockquote>
you're a fine man, SPJ, but I just do not agree on all your points.
Whatcha listenin to?
Turkey Day!
happy happy thoughts!
SEXUAL DISCRIMINATION!
I think I am right concerning where those 4 topics should go
[quote]Originally posted by ShawnPatrickJoyce:
<strong>1. You agree, through your use of this service, that you will not use Allied Conservatives.com to post any material which is knowingly false...</strong><hr></blockquote>
As a basis for rules here at AI, this would be a bad place to begin. We'd have to delete Future Hardware for a start.
<strong>I know I shouldn't make light of this thread, but this made me giggle:
As a basis for rules here at AI, this would be a bad place to begin. We'd have to delete Future Hardware for a start.
Do you refer to the word Allied Belle ?
LOTR cast of AI characters, was hidden but blattant flamewar. The people he appreciate where good characters, the others where evil. You can check if you want.
<strong>I know I shouldn't make light of this thread, but this made me giggle:
As a basis for rules here at AI, this would be a bad place to begin. We'd have to delete Future Hardware for a start.
1. I am talking only about Fireside Chat
2. The nature of Future Hardware is mostly speculative, not deliberately wrong. There's quite a difference. Anyway, I never said the rules apply to that forum.
Like I said, it was just a general idea about where Fireside Chat could go and how to improve it. Right now the status quo sucks. You can disagree, but I don't really see you in there that often so I doubt you care. You should care because it's really not the place to haev even a discussion. People post claims without backing and refuse to support their statements when called upon. A moderator who would look at such transgressions could possibly weed out those who do so. Hmm. I'm just trying to improve things for everyone here- except those that cause trouble by trolling, flaming and hijacking. Is there anything we could do?
to be honest, moderators have less say in the matter than you'd like to think. sure, we can clean stuff up, but it's always after the fact. then top that off with the fact that none of us are paid to do this, it's something we do in our spare time. i'm not about to take up a crusade of cleaning out every crap post in Fireside Chat. lol, funny, i just had a ver FC comment to make, but i'll skip it.
i think you want to fix things in the wrong direction though. rather than having some ruling body that dictates what will and will not stay in FC for everyone, you'd be better off holding the posters to higher standards. you're expecting a handful of people to police the acts of dozens. instead, why not just expect more from those that post?
if you make an effort to keep a thread civil, on-topic and factual, it can be done. if you're willing to degenerate into a flamefest it will happen every time.
you'll have to lead by example, not dictate terms.
it's hard work, but the only real solution.
quality posts tend to get quality replies. ignore trolls and respond to posts worth responding to.
trust me, you don't want the likes of groverat and i running through FC chat with billy clubs smacking down anyone we think is being an idiot, that would create a horrible atmosphere.
<strong>1. I am talking only about Fireside Chat
2. The nature of Future Hardware is mostly speculative, not deliberately wrong. There's quite a difference. Anyway, I never said the rules apply to that forum.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I know, ShawnPatrickJoyce. I was just fooling.
[quote]<strong>Like I said, it was just a general idea about where Fireside Chat could go and how to improve it. Right now the status quo sucks. You can disagree, but I don't really see you in there that often so I doubt you care. You should care because it's really not the place to haev even a discussion. People post claims without backing and refuse to support their statements when called upon. A moderator who would look at such transgressions could possibly weed out those who do so. Hmm.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I read every current thread in that forum every day, but I tend not to post. Why? Because I realize that many people's opinions will be very different to my own, just as in the real world, and I don't care to waste my time beating my head against a brick wall to make my point be known. It's just like out there in the real world.
If you consider Fireside Chat such a wretched hive of scum and villainy, why do you bother participating, and why do you care so much that it be moderated with a firmer hand?
Are we supposed to check the claims made by all posters and delete those we consider untruthful? Lock or delete threads that cannot be proven?
Fireside Chat is full of individuals offering personal opinions on subjects. It's there to let AI's members discuss all the contentious stuff that doesn't really belong on an Apple-related forum anyway.
If you want reasoned, edited, and censored discussion about politics and religion then go to an appropriate site.
[quote]<strong>I'm just trying to improve things for everyone here- except those that cause trouble by trolling, flaming and hijacking. Is there anything we could do?</strong><hr></blockquote>
As far as I'm aware, Fireside Chat was created to solve this exact problem in Apple Outsider. I appreciate your sentiment, but as I say, this really isn't the forum for that kind of thing.
We basically have two choices - keep this stuff locked up in Fireside Chat and allow people to go unmoderated, or shut down Fireside Chat and just not let anyone discuss politics and religion on this forum.
<strong>Defiant , SPJ was joking or pulling your leg when he speak of the the 3 others threads.
</strong><hr></blockquote>
if you say so, doc.
[quote]Originally posted by Powerdoc:
<strong>LOTR cast of AI characters, was hidden but blattant flamewar. The people he appreciate where good characters, the others where evil. You can check if you want.</strong><hr></blockquote>
Yeah I've checked, but I didn't realise.
<strong>
As far as I'm aware, Fireside Chat was created to solve this exact problem in Apple Outsider. I appreciate your sentiment, but as I say, this really isn't the forum for that kind of thing.
We basically have two choices - keep this stuff locked up in Fireside Chat and allow people to go unmoderated, or shut down Fireside Chat and just not let anyone discuss politics and religion on this forum.</strong><hr></blockquote>
I understand and agree with this statement. I think it would be a shame to shut out religious and political views because one person is upset at the conversation taking place.
I believe the moderators have done a great job with the forum and I give them credit for doing it as a service.
Peace and Happy Thanksgiving,
Fellowship