That's the first I've heard that the Apple API has some distance limitations.
Yes, it's designed to trigger within a certain short range and only if the contact is of a certain amount of time as I understand it. Simply passing by someone shouldn't trigger it, but stopping or traveling together should.
Is that right though? Seems like contact tracing should be more thorough that that to be effective.
Thorough in what way without collecting personal information?
That's what's killing the Australian contact tracing app built with a Singapore backbone, it needs names, ages (range), postcode and your linked phone number.
Not at all, I'm just saying that the short range and the time requirement seems like a higher bar than I would expect a contact tracing app to implement; I'd expect any detected contact where there's any chance of transmission.
That's what the proximity and time limitations are intended to do. Passing a person on the street going the other way is exceptionally unlikely to expose you. Neither is a bicycle rider passing you going south while you're out running north, or the person entering a restaurant as you walk out. Stopping to chat with any of them might as would sharing a table or sitting next to them in the movies, or talking with a co-worker at the door, and those are contacts the Apple/Google API would register.
Maybe, though from the sounds of it the NHS aren’t so impressed with it.
I wouldn't worry too much whether the NHS is impressed. They would like a personally identifiable tracker and locations, which citizen's in large part would not accept, and they cannot get what they want to do working properly anyway.
So this was supposed to be out in mid-May, then June 1st, and now it's mid-June and they're switching. Great job, about as well organised as every other NHS IT project. The Wuhan barely exists here anymore so there's little point anymore anyway.
The Wuhan never existed here.
The Corona virus, however, racked up 1200 new infections today, and 135 deaths.
We have different definitions of 'barely existing'.
I wondered if anyone would get triggered by me calling it "Wuhan".
Actually, coronaviruses have racked up millions of infections in recent years. Remember SARS and Bird Flu? COVID-19 is the scientific name, which likely had 2 million infected at one point, so down to 0.05% of the peak is pretty close to barely existing. But sorry for not falling for Xi Jingping's disinformation campaign to try and disassociate China from the virus. I don't like cover-ups, especailly from a regime as hideous as the CCP. Were you one of the people behind Wikipedia's attempt to rename Spanish flu too because it might offend someone?
The Wuhan barely exists here anymore so there's little point anymore anyway.
Oops, somebody just outed themselves ...
The only "outing" is that you and Rayz2016 would rather be politically correct than correctly attribute blame to a country and its regime for its coverup, failed containment and faked numbers.
What coverup?
Are you talking about Trump's distraction from his own negligence, incompetence and corruption? Doing what he always does: trash talk to make somebody else look even worse than he is? That so called "coverup"? I feel sorry for those gullible enough to believe such nonsense.
"Coverup"? Hardly -- they called in the WHO at an early stage and released all data to them
"Failed Containment"? LOL.... Hardly -- it is the U.S. who failed to contain it, not China. There it is not only under control but has been for a month or two.
"Faked Numbers"? Only if you believe the man of 18,000+ lies. The one who suppressed testing to keep his numbers down.
Triggered
Definition:
An expression used as a hiding place for someone who gets called out on their bullsh*t
Yeh, I get triggered when some stupid right winger regurgitates their bullshit propaganda as if it had any relationship to truth or reality.
That's the first I've heard that the Apple API has some distance limitations.
Yes, it's designed to trigger within a certain short range and only if the contact is of a certain amount of time as I understand it. Simply passing by someone shouldn't trigger it, but stopping or traveling together should.
Is that right though? Seems like contact tracing should be more thorough that that to be effective.
Thorough in what way without collecting personal information?
That's what's killing the Australian contact tracing app built with a Singapore backbone, it needs names, ages (range), postcode and your linked phone number. So while millions rushed to download it, when it came to opting in/using it then it became "not so much". In the first month it was offered it found just a single case. One. Obviously requiring personally identifiable data and location isn't working. FWIW even the relative police state of Singapore is seeing very low acceptance of their TraceTogether protocol and is considering a switch to the less threatening and less intrusive Apple/Google API for Covid infection discovery and notification.
In an authoritative country like China citizens are not given much choice, they will comply or face consequences. Citizens in countries accustomed to more personal freedoms would tend to shy away from more government intrusion, ignoring of course that national laws in most Western countries would prevent anything remotely similar to a China-style tracking and control of citizens. Some very loud members here don't understand that.
Now if you meant Apple and google should have designed the required partner app themselves rather than leaving it up to a mishmash from various medical and government agencies I would personally say absolutely. We would already be well down the path of better controlling the spread of Covid-19 simply by using our smartphones in the same manner we've been accustomed to and without fear of what our governments might do with the information collection down the road.
Google and Apple could have rolled out one single app to their users, vetted and with privacy guaranteed. I believe that's what they should have done.
China not only quickly brought the virus under control, they are long since back up, working and running at (nearly) full steam.
Recently, when they found 5 new infections, they quickly traced them back to a single food market and have shut down the spread.
Here in the U.S. we are #1 with nearly 120,000 dead and projections are looking for it to hit 200,000 while we are looking at state-wide surges in infections and we debate whether we are entering a second wave or never cleared the first one.
So, how many Americans are you willing to kill with your lopsided and extreme political ideology that you falsely present as "American ideology".
"Hey George, how does this attach to that, there's no directions?" George answers: "Well it's not rocket science. All you have to do is put it together the right way. Simple minded Trumpers will never get it"
"Hey George, how does this attach to that, there's no directions?" George answers: "Well it's not rocket science. All you have to do is put it together the right way. Simple minded Trumpers will never get it"
Common sense is easy for most people. Trumpers have trouble with it though.
"Hey George, how does this attach to that, there's no directions?" George answers: "Well it's not rocket science. All you have to do is put it together the right way. Simple minded Trumpers will never get it"
Common sense is easy for most people. Trumpers have trouble with it though.
I did not fully realize you thought like a Trumper even if you aren't one. Now your (non) answers are making more sense. It seems dishonesty and lack of conviction are not restricted to one ideology or political party. Nicely timed demonstration on your part.
Anyway, I'm out. IMO you've become a waste of a good alphabet as you apparently have nothing of value to add, or the courage to publicly support whatever it is you believe. I'll leave the last word to you as you typically insist, so go and make your handlers proud!
"Hey George, how does this attach to that, there's no directions?" George answers: "Well it's not rocket science. All you have to do is put it together the right way. Simple minded Trumpers will never get it"
Common sense is easy for most people. Trumpers have trouble with it though.
I did not fully realize you thought like a Trumper even if you aren't one. Now your (non) answers are making more sense. It seems dishonesty and lack of conviction are not restricted to one ideology or political party. Nicely timed demonstration on your part.
Anyway, I'm out. IMO you've become a waste of a good alphabet as you apparently have nothing of value to add, or the courage to publicly support whatever it is you believe. I'll leave the last word to you as you typically insist, so go and make your handlers proud!
Bye....
So far the only thing you've added are personal insults and meaningless Trump like attacks. So, there's no loss in your leaving.
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George answers: "Well it's not rocket science. All you have to do is put it together the right way. Simple minded Trumpers will never get it"
Common sense is easy for most people. Trumpers have trouble with it though.
Anyway, I'm out. IMO you've become a waste of a good alphabet as you apparently have nothing of value to add, or the courage to publicly support whatever it is you believe. I'll leave the last word to you as you typically insist, so go and make your handlers proud!